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Offline Bruce_TPU

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DEBATE THREAD
« on: January 20, 2008, 05:07:48 AM »
I have started this thread for those of you who have a beef with another.  You can take it over here, and not clutter our threads!

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DEBATE THREAD
« on: January 20, 2008, 05:07:48 AM »

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2008, 05:25:39 AM »
thanks bruce,

shutinup, shutinup!!! thanks to all

lol
sam

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2008, 06:48:08 AM »
Lets start a debate about the SMOT, since it almost always turns up in other threads.

First discussion starter:
Is is possible to make the ball drop higher than the start position(even if it's 1 mm)?

Second discussion starter:
Does the ball gain any extra energy?

Let these two questions guide you through a heated debate!

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2008, 06:48:08 AM »
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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2008, 07:03:23 AM »
Lets start a debate about the SMOT, since it almost always turns up in other threads.

First discussion starter:
Is is possible to make the ball drop higher than the start position(even if it's 1 mm)?

Second discussion starter:
Does the ball gain any extra energy?

Let these two questions guide you through a heated debate!

Am I allowed to push it with my finger??

Hans von Lieven

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2008, 08:10:59 AM »
@hanz,

only if you can account for the energy imparted.

lol
sam
ps: i know this is probably not how it is going to be presented in technical mathematical formulas, but that is the way everyone but omnibus sees it. except for the physicists that dare debate him.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2008, 08:10:59 AM »
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Offline BEP

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 04:20:50 AM »
hmmm...

There is always a little push involved. Those not accounting for it need a little 'finger'.

PM devices that do not start on their own are not devices. They are paper weights. There is no point in debating such things.

If it doesn't work - it doesn't work. If it does work then prove it when folks ask or don't make the statement that it does. I avoid making such claims anymore. It is a waste of forum load and probably the cause of most of the server problems of this site.

Such debates and knuckle-wacking has only driven important ideas and proof back undeground.

We have seen some really great ideas surface here -and- watched them sink into oblivion due to the whacko's. I know. I'm one of the whackos but I keep my mouth shut now (most of the time ;D

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 04:38:02 AM »
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We have seen some really great ideas surface here -and- watched them sink into oblivion due to the whacko's.

Ever consider they sank into oblivion because there was nothing to begin with?

When I read about suppression conspiracies and the like, I never know wether to laugh or cry.
Here we are on the internet, information flowing freely, over abundance of plans in pdf, and other forms, yet we have not seen one successful replication to show over unity/perpetual motion.

Heres the crux, if big oil and the like really felt threatened I've no doubt that websites like this would vanish into oblivion, now ask yourself why they do not feel threatened, could it be because we've not seen any provable successful replications yet?

I do not believe that its possible to "create" energy, I do however believe that there are new and better sources of energy to be tapped.

There was a time we did not know that electricity existed, remember, it was Thors hammer that created the lightening (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 04:38:02 AM »
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Offline BEP

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 05:04:22 AM »
Thor's hammer doesn't? Is this one of those put up or shut up times?

I don't think there needs to be a conspiracy. I'm pretty sure the thought is to just let it run its course - if there ever is a course.
Same here on energy. If OU is found it is only proof that all was not considered. Lightning was OU at one time. So was fire.

I think some of these things are valid but there are only three workable choices. Keep it to yourself and do what you can to make your life easier -or- try to share it in public and burn with the witches or share it privately and watch the idiots burn with the witches.

Yes. Most sank because they were not tried or were and failed or they were sick attempts to stir the masses.

BTW: There have been web sites that just don't exist now or when they did exist. Even to the point they were gone within minutes even in the Akamai cache.

Offline psychopath

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 10:24:49 AM »
hmmm...

There is always a little push involved. Those not accounting for it need a little 'finger'.

PM devices that do not start on their own are not devices. They are paper weights. There is no point in debating such things.

If it doesn't work - it doesn't work. If it does work then prove it when folks ask or don't make the statement that it does. I avoid making such claims anymore. It is a waste of forum load and probably the cause of most of the server problems of this site.

Such debates and knuckle-wacking has only driven important ideas and proof back undeground.

We have seen some really great ideas surface here -and- watched them sink into oblivion due to the whacko's. I know. I'm one of the whackos but I keep my mouth shut now (most of the time ;D

A little push? The smot I built doesn't need a push, it starts itself. I even used an electromagnet to make sure, by turning it off to let the ball go. Except the thing is I haven't managed to make it fall somewhere higher than its start.

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We have seen some really great ideas surface here -and- watched them sink into oblivion due to the whacko's.

I think it's because people don't have ideas anymore. I don't post much but I've been an active lurker here for a long time, and people actually used to come up with their own new ideas. Now it's mostly "Hey look at this new overunity device on youtube", which mostly turns out to be a hoax.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 10:24:49 AM »
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Offline RunningBare

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 01:07:58 PM »
This is for omnibus

I can only assume that you have got your whipmag replication working, otherwise why would you be telling other people their theories and ideas are wrong.

On the other hand if you have not got it working then you know as much as the rest of us at this point, NOTHING.

It's disappointing really, you started out good in that particular whipmag thread, but now you have gone back to your old ways, please dont spoil that thread with your usual obsessiveness.

Offline Rosphere

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 07:25:23 PM »
Consider the simple experimental device shown here.

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7.0;attach=16726;image)

The large flywheel is joined to the small pulley wheel and this assembly is free to spin on an axis.  A string is wrapped around the pulley and attached to a movable magnet.  Another magnet is introduced in attraction mode at some distance away from the first.  Now for a couple rhetorical questions:

Will the flywheel accelerate?

Will the flywheel continue to run indefinitely?

I was intrigued with the acceleration in Al's OC MPMM video for many days.  Now I am thinking that Al's device is nothing more than a complex version of this device.  I really do hope that I am wrong about this.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 07:25:23 PM »
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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2008, 09:06:16 PM »
BTW: There have been web sites that just don't exist now or when they did exist. Even to the point they were gone within minutes even in the Akamai cache.

G'day BEP and all,

There could be any number of reasons why a website gets taken off and all record of it gets deleted also. When you visit a website not all content is visible to you if the owner so wishes.

On my website I have a number of pages that are inaccessible to the public and where I send the URL to the people that I want to read it. It is a useful thing.

This kind of mechanism can also be abused. Set up a technical type of site and put your terrorist ideas, kiddieporn, or your drug trafficking instructions on hidden pages that are only accessible to people in the know. It is easy enough to do.

It needn't be a suppression of emerging technology to see such sites disappear.

Just a thought.

Hans von Lieven.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2008, 09:47:23 PM »
This is for omnibus

I can only assume that you have got your whipmag replication working, otherwise why would you be telling other people their theories and ideas are wrong.

On the other hand if you have not got it working then you know as much as the rest of us at this point, NOTHING.

It's disappointing really, you started out good in that particular whipmag thread, but now you have gone back to your old ways, please dont spoil that thread with your usual obsessiveness.



Poor Omnibus, everyone picks on Omnibus.  I find his posts more interesting than most.  He is always most frank, and will not spare your feelings when telling you that you are wrong.  This shows a very strong inner honesty, he is unable to lie to you about your faults. He's not wishy-washy about it either, he'll tell you that you are wrong even before he understands what you said.  This saves a lot of time, so that more people don't follow these "wrong" ideas.

Omnibus is also very good at keeping everyone "on track", reminding us that we must duplicate Al's machine exactly.  This thread is here for that one and only thing!  There are of course branches that Omnibus rightly finds worthy, and I'm glad he's here so I know which is which.

And don't forget that Omnibus is the first and only human to prove that overunity does exist, and has posted a video to show it.  It's real, it has measurements and a level and everything.  I haven't found his proof yet, but I have seen him mention it several times.  I sure would like to read it, anyone have a link to it?  I bet he's about to publish it at that university he teaches at, didn't someone mention he was a professor somewhere, or am I mistaken?

I haven't replicated his video yet, I don't have the proper magnets yet.  Did he mention which ones he used?

I wish he'd post a video of his replication of the whip mag.  I think he said the results were "encouraging" at first.  I bet he's just fine tuning it for the video and it'll be the best one yet.


We should be glad to have Omnibus around, he has many good qualities. 

Look for the diamond, it might be buried in mud and hard to see, but it's there.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 02:52:42 AM »
Well I have put up two a half-baked ideas, one about smot based on some of the research I have been doing, the other on a curious effect seen in a 'singing' bowl.

I would also like to know an explanation for the Tibetan Bowl effect, which helped me think up another half-baked idea.

{Rant mode on, with apologies to sceptics}
Why does it 'feel' like the sceptics just sit on the sidelines comfortable and secure in their 'correct' reality even bother with the apparent ‘eccentric’ chatter? If the 'eccentric' people are happily tinkering and not harming anyone why bother them. For me this needling of the 'eccentric' seems very childish, arrogant and counterproductive. The only things that may be gained from this is the 'feeling' of higher status in society and making the stubborn 'eccentric' work harder. They can not {sceptics} be bothered to check out the facts presented to them because they do not come from established authorities, nor do they seem to wish to think for themselves and just let their curiosity be seeing entertainment value taking a peek at what the 'eccentric' is up to.
{rant off}

The vid of a SMOT built of Lego is very much proof that it works. There is also a vid from a physics fare showing water running up hill. Yet I still see posts saying it can't possibly be true, and I am not going to be moved from this viewpoint.

'Eccentrics' appreciate constructive criticisms like "Did you remember to check/look for wind resistance" because sometimes a person can get tunnel vision and not see the metal wrench is what is affecting his experiment. Ask any programmer why he tells the monitor exactly why his program should be working when it is not.

I donÂ’t expect anything to happen but at least I have found a forum that just might find someone curious enough and bright enough to have a bit of fun by building and trying out a half-baked idea.

Offline Bessler007

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2008, 09:40:41 AM »
PolyMatrix,

Your rant tags should include  your entire post.  :)


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