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Author Topic: DEBATE THREAD  (Read 106138 times)

Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #285 on: February 01, 2008, 04:30:56 PM »
Have a look at this one. This arrived in the mail this morning and claims to demonstrate that work can be done with permanent magnets.

http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magsdowork.html

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #285 on: February 01, 2008, 04:30:56 PM »

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #286 on: February 01, 2008, 04:35:35 PM »
I'd like to thank everyone (and you know who you are) who has taken the time to state my opinions for me.  Since I'm not too sure what I think this has been quite beneficial.

Further, since I am not quite sure what I think it's virtually impossible to decide what I should conclude.  Again I'd like to thank all those willing to step out in faith and state my conclusions for me.  This has been such an overwhelming help to me I can't hardly put it into words.  I'll be forever grateful.

As luck would have it I've met a venture capitalist willing to fund any idea I have to what ever extent it needs to be funded.  Well, as you can imagine being someone that doesn't know what to say or what to conclude I naturally need some assistance deciding (again) how I should spend these resources.

I've decided to fund the building of any SMOT design proposed by any one willing to draw up the specifications.  Don't feel restrained by the cost.  If the balls need to be made of perfectly formed spheres of platinum with a one foot radius and iron plating that's no problem.  If there need to be fifty of them don't worry.  We can cover that expense.  I'm real sure if every imaginable design is investigated we can prove ....  Well, I don't know what's to be proved.  I'll leave that up to the geniuses that know what other people should think and say and what they should conclude.

It just occurred to me some of the SMOT designs might work but not on earth.  If your design needs to orbit the earth or even the sun at the extremes of the solar system don't let that stop you from drawing them up.  As I said money's no object.  Math and mainstream science be damned!!  Yeah.



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Offline PolyMatrix

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #287 on: February 01, 2008, 05:36:41 PM »
@Gaby

Your design should be cheap to make and prove, but I think it would just find a sticky point and stop.
One thing that seems to be clear in the research is that a harmonic is needed to keep the system(s) moving.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #287 on: February 01, 2008, 05:36:41 PM »
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Offline hoptoad

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #288 on: February 02, 2008, 04:24:49 AM »
Arrgh, I just woke up from a daymare and realized the true nature of the Smartly Marketed Overpriced Toy!  >:(
The acceptance of the Acronym is a subliminal ploy in a giant conspiracy to make us all buy more toys!  :D
KneeDeep!

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #289 on: February 02, 2008, 08:48:33 AM »

As for what he says regarding whether or not this is OU that should be ignored altogether. It's not up to him to judge what is and what isn't. I've had prior discussions with him and have determined that his understanding of the subtleties of science is wanting. Let's see the effect shown in the video continuing for 7.5 hours, as claimed, and then see how anybody can deny it's OU.


Wheres your replication Omnibus?, is it working like alsetalokin's?, if it is not, stop cluttering the other thread with this nonsense.

I have proved conclusively and beyond a doubt that faking violation of CoE  is indeed possible ;)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY

I have even created an equation for it.   fkecoe=(nwmn+mag+vhs)



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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #289 on: February 02, 2008, 08:48:33 AM »
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Offline gaby de wilde

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #290 on: February 02, 2008, 10:54:25 AM »
I have proved conclusively and beyond a doubt that faking violation of CoE  is indeed possible

YES, and you have destroyed hundreds of free energy discussions with dumb remarks. I remember it so clearly.

you have shown that lies can prevent effort from bearing fruit.

Do remember, here you should be banned for even a little bit of that kind of effort.

You have clearly and accurately shown us how the disinformation brigade gets it's minions to help them spread the lies.

Remember how you discovered the truth behind your Scientology idol.

Are you still worshiping Tom Darren?  :-*

 I remember you said hundreds of the most horrible things about Joe.

You then moved on to build the Newman machine.

You did a horrible job at it!!

Don't say it isn't so now! HAHAHAHAHA

You build it specially to show it didn't work!

You light a neon tube with 25 ma

Or may we say you fried the neon with 25 ma?

Or is this overunity from solar panels?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mMLATcVDa8

Don't forget I described the "why it works" part of the Newman machine long long ago already.

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor
gabydewilde - magnetmotor

Here you have an exact and accurate description of why it makes free energy. Just spewing nonsense doesn't make it go away and neither can your vandalism prevent it from existing.

Unless you like it when Scientology Tom makes a better reality for you you shouldn't do it to others urself first.

I will be soon to follow!

You go see the http://www.storyofstuff.com

See now? Everything is fake dude!

Here http://einsteinhoax.com

It's all trickery! non is real!

You are not just derailing a bit of free energy research. You are promoting a world war about energy resources. Because that is why everyone else is so interested in the free energy topic.

So because of the ignorance of people like you millions of other people have to die. It will take years to implement free energy into the global economy. Time we do-not have.

If some keep posting nonsense into each and every discussion then others won't be able to find the truth.

It's simple as that.

You deserve all credit for it.

It is what you do.

Offline gaby de wilde

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #291 on: February 02, 2008, 11:06:33 AM »
As luck would have it I've met a venture capitalist willing to fund any idea I have to what ever extent it needs to be funded.  Well, as you can imagine being someone that doesn't know what to say or what to conclude I naturally need some assistance deciding (again) how I should spend these resources.

ok here is the deal:

You have to buy a browns gas machine.

They have been on the market for 50+  years now.

I don't think science is going to debunk it any time soon.

People have been selling buying and building the machines commercially for more then 50 years.

You then build a generator you melt some bricks or something and build an external combustion engine, a steam turbine or a compressed air heater.

Or you can just use it to make cars more efficient and stick Paterson's vortex turbine on top.

You will be covered in MIB faster then you can say "COMMON DUCTED ATOMIC OXY-HYDROGEN"

Then later make this
http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl

And this
http://wind-car.go-here.nl

Good luck.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #291 on: February 02, 2008, 11:06:33 AM »
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Offline PolyMatrix

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #292 on: February 02, 2008, 06:12:23 PM »
@Gaby
In reference to the 'wind car'.

Are you aware that there is a design of 'fan' or turbine that no matter which direction air the air is travelling the 'fan turns in the same direction.

I saw this design around 1979

Offline Bessler007

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #293 on: February 02, 2008, 07:53:56 PM »
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Savonius_Diagram.png)



?COMMIE DUCT TAPED ATOMIC OXY-HYDROGENATED MORON!

I could make a brown's gas generator, there's no need to buy one. 

Human knowledge of free energy is as old as sailing vessels and water wheels.  Considering the ancient nature of this understanding the reasonable question is "why haven't any practical applications surfaced?"  There are wind powered water pumps in cow fields around the world . . .

If one person were accomplishing anything practical it would spread like wild fire just by word of mouth.  This spread of technology would have happened before the pony express.

Maybe the one question the skeptic has is, "when?"


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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #293 on: February 02, 2008, 07:53:56 PM »
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Offline Bessler007

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #294 on: February 02, 2008, 08:02:11 PM »
If my investments inflated to the extent my electric bill has I wouldn't mind paying 400% more over the last 3 years for power.  That's why a lot of people would like to know ?When??

Seeing the promises of "invention" but not seeing the practical applications on the market are enough to make even Tesla a skeptic.


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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #295 on: February 02, 2008, 08:29:49 PM »
@Bessler007

The when question has been answered numerous times.

In 1978 were people asking the question "when will Mt. St. Helens erupt"
Is anybody able to answer with certainty "when will people land on Mars or colonise the moon or the oceans"
when will we learn to ask sensible when questions?"

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #295 on: February 02, 2008, 08:29:49 PM »
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Offline supersam

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #296 on: February 02, 2008, 08:58:59 PM »
@all,

maybe when big oil, gets their hand out of it and it is legal, for citizens of the u.s.a. to at least be able to drop a completely self contained power unit in a stream, without the army corps of engineers, having to put them in jail for it, then maybe "free energy" can exist.  or maybe solar configurations, earth batterry systems, sm tpu's, magnet motors, or any other free energy devic might see the light of day.  but i think they will all end up taxed to their on demise if found.  it will be the moonshine of the twentyfirst century!   mark my words on that.

lol
sam

ps: can't wait for my first batch,  and then the unspeakable gains, that can be made in the first few years before they catch on.  maybe i'll be a kenedy one day.

pss:  for all those, that think patenting is the way to go, with a free enegy device,  just look at the track record.  even two years of sales wheather exclusive or not before the laws were changed could give you all kinds of money for lobyist to buy off politicians to insure your future gains.  just put it out there!

Offline Bessler007

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #297 on: February 02, 2008, 10:52:52 PM »
You might have missed the point so I'll restate it.  The technology people are looking at today is well beyond the old technologies available to the hobbyist.  They're making significant strides in efficiencies and developing nano-machines.  People are looking at every possible combination of everything imaginable.

The question, ?when? was rhetorical and theoretically has an answer that could be expressed in terms of time. 

Another question is, ?how much of a factor would you have to multiply that answer with to arrive at time when people working in their garage are going to make a novel discovery beyond what the geek squad is working on??

I think it's a very big number.


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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #298 on: February 02, 2008, 11:01:21 PM »
Here is another way of looking at it.  Beardon is hawking a cd entitled ?Energy from the Vacuum.?  Now if there were viable free energy wouldn't it be more productive of his time to apply this theory and make kits or models?

Question: Where does all electromagnetic (EM) field energy and all EM potential energy come from in the first place?
Answer: From the vacuum all around us.

Beardon has been selling diy theories since Adam was a corporal.



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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #299 on: February 03, 2008, 01:05:30 AM »
You might have missed the point so I'll restate it.  The technology people are looking at today is well beyond the old technologies available to the hobbyist.  They're making significant strides in efficiencies and developing nano-machines. 
Bessler007

Well generally the hobbyist doesn't make integrated circuits, but he uses them together with other technologies.

 

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