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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 07:18:47 AM »
maxc,

Another problem is their design is to replace original catalyst converter. it will be deemed illegal if you try to remove the C converter. We have tried to replicate GEET here. It didn't work as expected. not sure if we got it right.



The GEET should work if there's plasma in it. Did you get plasma in yours?

I say it will work because the plasma reforming gas, or anything organic, is a real technology.

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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2008, 05:47:28 AM »
I have just watched both of the videos and the guy in it is quite a salesman.  I detected a bit of BS when he was describing some of the "scientific" stuff.  I am curious to see exactly how much they are going to charge for this equipment as well as their certified technician as required as part of their guarantee of at least 50% increase in MPG.

The electronics package is nothing special.  Although it is "patented" I have seen several presented on youtube and other forums.  It does not teach or re-learn your existing vehicle PCM.  All it does is provide various inputs to your existing PCM so that it, the PCM, thinks the vehicle is running rich and thereby reduces the impulses to the fuel injector(s) reducing the amount of fuel delivered to the intake, etc.

I am curious about the application of magnets to the fuel line and the preheating of the fuel.  Does anyone have any information?

Eodtek32

preheating the fuel should make the flame speed faster, since combustion is a chemical reaction, and probably all chemical reactions happen faster when hot.

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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2008, 05:47:28 AM »
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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2008, 06:13:42 AM »
The PICC does make it possible for an engine to run more lean. Running too lean will damage the engine. I'm still trying to figure out exactly why. I think it's just for gasoline engines, because it causes high compression, like the engine is under load, and gas engines arn't made to be under constantly.

The PICC does much the same thing as hydrogen generator's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3kueRyzvlY

One person I contacted said in diesel engine's hydrogen is was used to make "aromatics" into useful fuel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromaticity

It's difficult to determine how much energy is in the unburnt hydrocarbons.

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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2008, 01:51:31 PM »
The PICC makes the fuel burn more complete. When the exhaust valve opens the gasses will be at a lower temperature. It will give you the same amount the push on the piston with less fuel.
My buddy drives the newest 55000lb diesel truck. He gets 12mpg. Hes old truck got 8mpg. The exhaust temps are 500F @5psi turbo boost too 1000F@30psi boost. Gasoline engines exhaust temps generally range from 700F too 1500F depending on many factors. More later.
Mark

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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »
People,

   Only pay money for HAFC or PICC AFTER you see credible indpendent validation.  This is from ex convict Dennis Lee.  He's been offering it for 6 years since he stopped dealing with convict Pantone (now in an aylum).  Dennis has been making money on free electricity promises over 20 years and has tried twice to sue me to take down my pages at
www.phact.org/e/dennis.html
    His new HAFC program has had millions of dollars taking out TV spots and full page ads on major magazines across the country.  Of course they ignore my offers to test it on camera.   I have a page with links to people who have lost money on this at
www.phact.org/hafc.htm
I ask for help mirroring that site in case their goon squad takes it down.

if there is real high mileage technology out there, it doesn't help when so many con men give a bad name to all fringe inventors.

erickrieg  -at- verizon.net   :o

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2008, 04:24:18 PM »
Thanks for the info and the links.

I saw a full page ad in Popular Mechanics just last month and e-mailed for info. They will not give out the addresses to any local mechanic that can install the system until after you buy it. This had me suspicious right away. I asked them to please let me know how close a local mechanic was because I assumed that once the system is installed on my car that I could no longer go to a regular mechanic, or the car dealer, to have any mechanical work done. I didn't want to be traveling hundreds of miles to seek out one of their "trained" mechanics. They simply ignored my request for information even though they were quick the first time to try and get me to buy it right away.

The whole way it is being handled has me seeing red flags going up everywhere; and I agree, if it doesn't give the mileage you expected there will always be some kind of potential excuse.

Thanks again for the warnings.


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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2008, 11:20:30 PM »
I don't trust them either, it's just the way they talk like salesmen, and they look scummy. It makes me think that they're agents set out to make these technologies look like a scam. The agents that are willing to do such bad things for money, are scumbages, and usually look like scumbages too. Like the mossad agents that were found in NY during the 9-11 attacks.

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2008, 02:53:25 PM »

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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2008, 03:25:52 PM »
Dennis's expensive booth at th WIREC show in DC seems to have not done anything for publicity, if you google WIREC and HAFC for news, you see nothing.  I think far more publicity would be had free if they would allow independent credible confirmation.  A warning flag is that most dealers can't seem to either get a system or get it working.  Why would they have spent millions on full page ads a few months back if their own dealers don't even have it.  I don't know why someone would take money for a questionable claim that they themselves have not properly validated.   If anyone can find even one car getting doubled mileage, I and other volunteers would like to offer to help arrange independent testing for it. - it would be easy to get a small town newspaper reporter to have a look.  If I can find a real valid system like this that doubles mileage, I will gladly pay $1000 to the person that convinces someone to let me test it.  If people have this working and need positive publicity, why would they not want someone like me to help confirm it.  If I saw it work, I'd gladly get press attention and convince state attorneys general to leave these people alone.  Please help me make my page on this subject available at www.phact.org/hafc.htm
I have been seeing questionable high mileage claims for 10 years and pleading with the promoters to just let me test one - I started this with Dennis's ex convict former partner Paul Pantone who also took in millions and left no real proof of it ever working.  The biggest obstacle to sincere people investigating cutting edge energy is all the crooks who give it a bad name.

Eric Krieg     erickrieg -at verizon . net.

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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2008, 10:59:40 PM »
Like your average dreamer... I've ordered some instructions from www.mileageman1.com .... his website quotes
"The entire system can be built for under $50.00 dollars, price may vary depending on where you buy your parts. The system can be built using simple hand tools, in your spare time and installed in your garage using our DVD. In the US and Canada the DVD is $14.99 plus $6.95 shipping and handling "

Here are links related to the solution this guy is pitching.....

http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200804/1208467536.html
http://www.groundreport.com/Lifestyle/Water-as-Fuel-Increases-in-MPG-and-Horsepower

And info on the creator of the www.mileageman1.com site (says he's an ex race car driver)
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert_bio=Larry_R_Miller


I plan on watching the DVD, building the unit from scratch, and giving it an honest try.... I'll post results here on before and after MPG once I've got results....

...until then, ill keep dreaming that this kind of thing is really possible..... insted of another way to flush $20...

You know, for all the sites pushing HHO kits, plans and devices, I have yet to find a forum where someone has actually built one of these puppies from scratch and reviewed it.....


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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2008, 04:12:49 PM »
The PICC will not work correctly it is to far from the exhaust and will NOT GET HOT ENOUGH ... also preheating the fuel will decrease the efficency of the conversion.

Remember you are creating a controlled lightening storm.   When looking to do a GEET device one should know a good deal about lighting and storms and plasma.  Even if one gets a 10% increase you have started on the way.  Cutting the Rod after the fact is not good also as you have now caused more problems with it moleculor structure.  The shorter the rod the lighter the fuel should be .. the longer the rod the heaver the fuel should be.  One will also the best results with the north to south magnetic grid lines of the earth .. so if your route is on this you are so laughing.

You have to get your fuel passing the sound barrier over the rod, the blunted end does help this along with many other factors.  Good steel also helps greatly for consistant magnetic properties not that cheap crap pipe that everyone uses to start off with on the lawnmower.  If one could use a torrid ferritte mixture for making a rod you would see even better results.

Look like this should be studied more.  No way of overunity on this but certainly better MPG for all can be achieved.

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Re: New HHO system in production for automobile.
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2008, 03:51:22 PM »
PwrDream,

Have you begun your build yet??

Thanks,
Mike

 

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