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Author Topic: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.  (Read 3866 times)

Offline phonicboom

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New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« on: January 14, 2008, 02:18:33 AM »
There are 2 ways to see what I'm trying to do...

Background and ideas http://peswiki.com/index.php/Perpetually_Rotating_Bar_Magnet_Arrangement

Animations and ideas http://www.chriswilshaw.info/free-energy-with-magnets.htm

Main points;

Rig needs outer and inner set to be adjustable once setup so must not be attached to same frame. The position of the outer set will have to be offset from apparent position by 2 or 3 degrees clockwise by hand to remove symmetry and ballance.

Magnet angles will need adjustment so should not be fixed unless prior test of angles has been made on a separate rig. Magnet angle is critical as when the magnet on the ring approaches a fixed magnet it will feel a negative push against the fixed magnets side, yet it will be further from said magnet (due to the angle of approach) than when it is in the positive push position (end to end with fixed magnet).

anyway its beyond my capacity for writing and beyond my staring at animations and now calls for a test rig. Notice several setups aiming at a similar end do call for an adjustable rig.

Cheers.

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Offline phonicboom

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 04:21:13 AM »
there is more to my idea that the first few lines :)

No, It is meant to say ideal as that section you read up to was the main ideal ?A self starting system due to the system only having dominate clockwise potential? - if you had read further you would have seen several ideas :)

As for the working prototype on you tube, it is quite different; there is more than one way to float a flying saucer.

My ideas are several and can be reduced to one major one and that is to remove system balance thereby having a system that would start under its own arrangement as every position within 360degrees is in a positive state - no external force required.

Of course ideas have similarities; yet reading the first line of a proposal does not aid any of them. The current hot interest on you tube would have quite a different history if no one read past the first line of that proposal :) If my idea is precisely the same as a previous one then I need to be made aware of it so I can compare notes. That would either tell me that my idea will fail due to X or that it is sufficiently different as I feel it is because my mental viewing of the idea shows positive results.

Should anyone have the ability to test a rig, please do, thanks, I'm not here to argue and may have read into the previous post too much as it did seem off hand for a forum where new ideas are to be floated. No idea is completely new and innovation can come in all shapes and sizes - no offense meant, I hope for a pleasant stay here,

cheers

Offline phonicboom

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 10:15:29 AM »
Hi,

Ideas on construction?

I ordered magnets today and am now thinking on a simple home construction.

any ideas welcomed.

I had no previous knowledge of this forum or the amount of people into these ideas, i really thought most people were either not interested or convinced it can't work. The life on this forum has encouraged me.

I hope the infamous "you tube" idea comes off and that the flood gates open with innovation. I think this can be done and I think it can be done in many ways. Ellipses, cams and low power electro magnet assistance should all be considered as ways for beating the sticky spot. (or more that they should be re-re-reconsidered until they work)

I am probably a couple of weeks away from finding fault in my ideas  ::) but I want to try like I used to want to play with Lego - it's fun  :)

Two things I have issue with in the idea I am going for are;

1) sticking, the negative pushes I've noted in my animations being much stronger than I foresaw

2) magnet destruction/degradation due to running similar poles too near each other.

but it could be something altogether different, wait and see...

I'd like some input... I think theres much to learn from those who disagree with you, and I'd like building tips e.g simple rigs people have used that I can make at home

thanks,

Chris

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 10:15:29 AM »
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Offline eavogels

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 12:40:26 PM »
I did some testing with the basic idea, allthough there are still many variants to test. I attached some results.

The simulations looked definently better: http://fdp.nu/animations/default.htm

Eric

Offline phonicboom

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 02:10:20 PM »
I did some testing with the basic idea

thats interesting to see  :)

I'm testing at home with pieces of paper and a pencil - highly inaccurate but still fun.

Could you do a test with the specific number of magnets I have in my animation?

that is 9 magnets on the rotating ring and 32 static pushers,

it seems to me that will give a positive push on 6/9 magnets at every degree and cause rotation.


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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
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Offline eavogels

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 02:41:57 PM »
I don't have the material left, to redo the experiments. But I tried several setups, with more and less stators and runners and all setups had in common that any rotations stopped as soon as the loop was closed.

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 07:18:39 PM »
Chris

I have noticed that   one way to make a magnetic motor  run smoother is by  using  one set of magnets that is  much bigger than the other set.    like  3.5  to 4 times  bigger.

If you  enjoy   doing the  simulations    you might try  doing a hexagon .
It  seems to me that if  you  put the  outer  corner  of   a magnet  almost  touching   the inner  corner   of   the  previous   magnet  it  should work .

I don't think  you  would  need a  3rd ring of magnets   with this design .


gary

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
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Offline phonicboom

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Re: New setup. Need adjustable test rig.
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 01:51:44 AM »
Chris
I have noticed that...

I think that comment should have been aimed at 'eavogels' who posted the simulations

all my stuff so far is theoretical animation, nothing simulated, no flux present..

I have several ideas, all of which need a rig or simulation. I'm most keen to test the idea of 9 rotating on a ring within 32 fixed (with the 32 rotated at 45degrees and the inner 9 maybe maybe not rotated)

home experiments are saying the inner set (thats the set on the moving ring) wouldn't seem to benefit from being rotated 45degrees, it may even remove all advantage.

 

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