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## Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: allcanadian on January 13, 2008, 07:19:12 PM

Title: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: allcanadian on January 13, 2008, 07:19:12 PM
When I started researching Teslas devices I took a keen interest in all kinds of wave motion, here is an experience that relates to Patent 512340.
This summer I was cleaning our 16' diameter pool and I hit the edge of the pool with the dip net, then I noticed that a small wave travelled inwards from all sides of the pool to the center of the pool and a large wave jumped up 1 foot above the water line directly in the center of the pool :o. Next I timed my hits on the side of the pool to keep the wave going and the wave center got larger and larger until it started to interfere with the incoming waves.
If we apply the motion of my swimming pool wave to Teslas patent 512340, we see that a thick primary on the exterior of his coil would form an inward moving wave peaking in amplitude at the "center" of the coil, this action is nothing like the action found in what most people call a "bifiliar wound coil", that is a hollow vertically wound air coil. Another aspect of this coil is the "quality" of current that is used, we know magnetic fields propagate outwards so a thick primary around this coil seems counter-productive until you consider the electrostatic field and teslas electrostatic induction laws. Charged capacitors generate an inward acting field between the plates, if the outer primary is one plate then the inner coil can be considered the other plate, the electrostatic field would also act inwards like my swimming pool wave, peaking at the center of the inner flat coil. At this point we should also consider the "quality" of the wave action or disturbance in the media, is it an alternating current or an impulse current(pulsed DC).If pulsed DC then we have a unidirectional force acting inward on the coil peaking at the center of the coil. The most relevant question coming to mind is what happens when a inward acting electrostatic force peaks in amplitude and is forced to radiate like an outward acting force----like magnetism. When you read teslas work there seems to be this underlying simplicity that everything can be reduced to a "disturbance in the medium" this disturbance propogates as force in a wave like motion. The frequency of oscillation of these waves and tension determines what qualities any given space has, be it matter, space or any degree between the two.
Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: pese on January 14, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
here is the Patent:

Pese

www.pese.cjb.net

german and english
Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: EMdevices on January 24, 2008, 03:06:20 AM
nice observation in the pool.

waves can take so many forms in electromagnetic as well.

looking at the Tesla patent, he says what problem it solves,  and that is to reduce the self-inductance.

Since inductance and capacitance depend on frequency,  at a certain frequency,  the INDUCTIVE REACTANCE will exactly equal the CAPACITIVE REACTANCE, and since they have opposite signs,  the summation is zero and all we are left with is the real component.

Like he mentions this is done often times by adding capacitors to coils,  and it's done nowadays to motors and other devices to improve the power factor.

I analyzed his spiral inductor carefully and I can see why he says his capacitance increases.
If you follow the current into one lead you will see that the current circulate in only one direction, so the inductor performance is not compromised, however, since he has two paths next to each other, he believes the capacitance increases, and it might.  I'm sure he tested it and he knows what he is talking about.

So, what's the point of having an inductor like his?

I'm sure he used it in his Tesla coils cause it appears in a few different places.

EM

Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: allcanadian on January 24, 2008, 05:30:52 PM
LOL ;D
In another post you were discussing the brnbrade coil as a super inductor and I had posted after that there must be a mechanism to produce a voltage RISE to offset any voltage drop we normally see in our circuits. An inductive discharge produces this voltage rise, the voltage rise is based on the resistance encountered in the circuit. The missing piece of the puzzle is Capacitive Reactance, using a large inductance discharging into a very small capacitance, the capacitance is the coils. What if we made a circuit where a current was forced to enter a single coil and produce a magnetic field, this field would collapse producing a HV inductive discharge current ---- this discharge current however would find the only path available was a high resistance coil, this coil would act like the plate of a capacitor. The HV impulse would charge the coil (plate)next to it through electrostatic induction, this other coil would then discharge into a low resistance coil on the other inductor producing a current flow thus a magnetic field and the process repeats. So in the brnbrade coil one side acts like an inductor as the other side acts as a capacitance, the roles then reverse. The capacitor side discharges producing current in the inductor side ---- it is now a discharging inductor and forces the inductive discharge current into what was an inductor but now acts like a very small capacitance. Teslas undampened wave ---always producing a voltage RISE against resistance. ;D
Capacitive reactance and electrostatic induction are the missing pieces!

Here is the definition for electrostatic induction--

Electrostatic Induction -------http://regentsprep.org/Regents/physics/phys03/aeleclab/induct.htm
When an object gets charged by induction, a charge is created by the influence of a charged object but not by contact with a charged object.  The word induction means to influence without contact.  In the example shown below, the electroscope gets charged without any contact with the charged object brought in from the top.
The originally charged object never loses any charge so it need not be recharged.  (work does not need to be done creating the charge again)
The induced charge can be quite strong and subsequent charges will be equally strong

What nobody wants to consider is what happens when current is converted into HV/HF electrostatic potentials (inductive discharge current) and what happens if ------The originally charged object (coil) never loses any charge so it need not be recharged.!! ----- But can charge another coil (plate) whose energy gained added to the whole may produce a lossless oscillating system.

Now apply these principals of electrostaic induction to Teslas coil Patent 512340 and we see all is not as it seems. :o
Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: EMdevices on January 25, 2008, 04:51:51 AM
electrostatic induction is neat.  no charge is wasted.  Work is however performed on the capacitor plate by removing it from the proximity to the charged object.  I like electrostatics, quite a shocking subject  ;D
EM
Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: allcanadian on January 25, 2008, 05:14:52 PM
@EMdevices
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Work is however performed on the capacitor plate by removing it from the proximity to the charged object.

This is only true if you intend to move the plate, what if you intend to discharge it through a coil or capacitor to ground  :) Potential will discharge to any lower potential, so we change the relationship by changing what we refer to as ground.
Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: allcanadian on February 04, 2008, 03:32:29 AM
moved
Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: allcanadian on February 04, 2008, 06:46:17 AM
:)
Title: Re: Tesla Coil Patent 512340
Post by: scotty1 on February 04, 2008, 12:17:31 PM
Hi all...
Allcanadian......you said..".If pulsed DC then we have a unidirectional force acting inward on the coil peaking at the center of the coil. The most relevant question coming to mind is what happens when a inward acting electrostatic force peaks in amplitude and is forced to radiate like an outward acting force----like magnetism. When you read teslas work there seems to be this underlying simplicity that everything can be reduced to a "disturbance in the medium" this disturbance propogates as force in a wave like motion. The frequency of oscillation of these waves and tension determines what qualities any given space has, be it matter, space or any degree between the two.
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Those words ARE THE ANSWER....don't you see  :o
You don't need to change anything in those words.
You only need to read about Magnetic Currents.....and what you wrote would make perfect sense as it does to me....it is so easy....
By adding one component to the words you wrote.....you would be able to visualise every motion you speak of.....and slow down that minuite time frame to see what is happening in the medium and conductor.
You would be able to visualise exactly how the "electrostatic laws" begin as higher perssures are used.......
You would see abd be able to visualise exactly how the capacitance in the wires works......
I don't know about electronics and physics......but i read about Magnetic Currents..and did all the experiments....and when i read the words you write...i find it is easy for me to show it...and demonstrate it...
Everyone thinks that Ed Leedskalnin's magnetic tests are just simple experiments......BUT THEY ARE NOT.