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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: dooleydragon on January 11, 2008, 04:48:17 AM
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Hello everyone,
I've been working on making my own magnet motor for some time now, a lil' over 2 years to be exact.
When after my first year of working on an idea I ran across something... I had my magnets placed around
the rotor in a certain PATTERN. I had given up my last attempt had failed. I then was taking it apart when
I picked up another Neodymium magnet and as my hand was passing the rotor it started to spin... but not
just one rotation... I started to notice that it kept spinning and didn't stop spinning until I moved my hand away
from the rotor. At that point in time I new I had came across something that I had been working days and hours
on and I felt very estatic. I then got online and started ordering the same kind of magnets and better materials. I
even spent numerous of hours searching to make sure there wasn't any ideas or patents that I may have magically
made a replica of... the only patent that is close to my idea is the prenedev motor.. which I believe is real but on his
magnet motor the way his is actually set up you can't tell just by looking at it.. you must look at the actual patent and
drawings his magnet aren't the round cylinders showing on the outside the actual magnet is embedded within' the
cylinder not revealing how his magnet's are actually placed. My desing however does and for that reason I am afraid
to show my design not wanting to give my information to the wrong person.
Now to the point. If you where in my shoes and had a design that works what would you do? how would you handle it?
please don't respond to this in a negative way. I'd actually like to hear good input and advice.
Thank You
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Can you make it spin without using your hand holding the magnet but instead have the magnet that was in your hand in a fixed position ?
If 'yes' then you may have something and you move to step 2.
If 'No' then it most likely have an effect of your hand pulsing the rotor. Been there. Done that.
Step 2. Make a second one to see if you can duplicate.
If 'yes' then move to step 3.
if 'no' then go back a step to figure out why. Maybe was a fluke.
Step 3.
Detemine if it is scaleble to provide some sort of useful work, like powering a car, a generator, etc..
If 'yes' then move to step 4.
If 'no' then all hope is not lost. Cool toys sell pretty good.
Step 4
Either patent it which does not mean you will get anything after all the hassle. Likely will be rejected or classified as secret due to security issues.
or
Try to produce it yourself which will be hard to compete with low cost labor from some countries and after they get one and reverse engineer it the flood gate of copies will open.
or.
Try to get some investors to help you but they tend to want to rip you off and run away with your idea.
or
release as GNU project with the hope that it might do some good in the world.
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Step 5 - In addition to hydrocontrol's list - JREF challenge. If you prove perpetual motion you can claim a Million dollar prize. (Of course some people don't like randi's methods of testing. If successful however you score yourself a million dollars and a LOT of press.
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Or you could contribute it to the public domain as with the WhipMag Rotor (OC MPMM) and let anyone who wants it do whatever the wish. Not much money in it, but you'll make a lot of friends.
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Can you make it spin without using your hand holding the magnet but instead have the magnet that was in your hand in a fixed position ?
If 'yes' then you may have something and you move to step 2.
If 'No' then it most likely have an effect of your hand pulsing the rotor. Been there. Done that.
Step 2. Make a second one to see if you can duplicate.
If 'yes' then move to step 3.
if 'no' then go back a step to figure out why. Maybe was a fluke.
Step 3.
Detemine if it is scaleble to provide some sort of useful work, like powering a car, a generator, etc..
If 'yes' then move to step 4.
If 'no' then all hope is not lost. Cool toys sell pretty good.
Step 4
Either patent it which does not mean you will get anything after all the hassle. Likely will be rejected or classified as secret due to security issues.
or
Try to produce it yourself which will be hard to compete with low cost labor from some countries and after they get one and reverse engineer it the flood gate of copies will open.
or.
Try to get some investors to help you but they tend to want to rip you off and run away with your idea.
or
release as GNU project with the hope that it might do some good in the world.
Thank You hydrocontrol for that information... It was what I was pretty much looking for.
I have a lot more questions not only about what I have to do next but about magnets themselve.
I've been doing a lot of research on the properties of magnets themself. Are magnets basically
a physical form of electricity? and if so do they operate the same way a frequency phase wave does?
or alternating current wave?
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Something else that I read is that magnets do lose their power if you hit them hard, vibrate them, heat them past their currie point.
If you would wrap a copper around the magnet the same way you would happen to wrap a copper wire around a nail to turn it into a electromagnet. Does wrapping the copper wire around the magnet and applying current through the wire does it recharge the magnet?
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@DD
To help you consider open source read this;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2951.0/wap2.html
If you anticipate open sourcing an OU device, suggest you understand this from z_p_e just before he left this forum.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2654.msg38296.html#msg38296
If you plan on making a business out of it, I suggest you speak to your local better business bureau or chamber of commerce, go to investor meetings, networking, run after the dough, sign lots of NCND's to get the money you will need to spend and spend. All in the hush.
Life can be soooo simple.
Consider that if you have such a device, it will not be your last as you will have better ideas. So open source the first one, get your name out there and you'll see what happens on its own. Trust in the right things and the right things will happen.
Good luck.
PS:
Off topic - Tony Blair is now an employee of Morgan Stanley.
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Hello everyone,
I've been working on making my own magnet motor for some time now, a lil' over 2 years to be exact.
When after my first year of working on an idea I ran across something... I had my magnets placed around
the rotor in a certain PATTERN. I had given up my last attempt had failed. I then was taking it apart when
I picked up another Neodymium magnet and as my hand was passing the rotor it started to spin... but not
just one rotation... I started to notice that it kept spinning and didn't stop spinning until I moved my hand away
from the rotor. At that point in time I new I had came across something that I had been working days and hours
on and I felt very estatic. I then got online and started ordering the same kind of magnets and better materials. I
even spent numerous of hours searching to make sure there wasn't any ideas or patents that I may have magically
made a replica of... the only patent that is close to my idea is the prenedev motor.. which I believe is real but on his
magnet motor the way his is actually set up you can't tell just by looking at it.. you must look at the actual patent and
drawings his magnet aren't the round cylinders showing on the outside the actual magnet is embedded within' the
cylinder not revealing how his magnet's are actually placed. My desing however does and for that reason I am afraid
to show my design not wanting to give my information to the wrong person.
Now to the point. If you where in my shoes and had a design that works what would you do? how would you handle it?
please don't respond to this in a negative way. I'd actually like to hear good input and advice.
Thank You
Next step is to double-check your work to find your mistake.
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Hello everyone,
I've been working on making my own magnet motor for some time now, a lil' over 2 years to be exact.
When after my first year of working on an idea I ran across something... I had my magnets placed around
the rotor in a certain PATTERN. I had given up my last attempt had failed. I then was taking it apart when
I picked up another Neodymium magnet and as my hand was passing the rotor it started to spin... but not
just one rotation... I started to notice that it kept spinning and didn't stop spinning until I moved my hand away
from the rotor. At that point in time I new I had came across something that I had been working days and hours
on and I felt very estatic. I then got online and started ordering the same kind of magnets and better materials. I
even spent numerous of hours searching to make sure there wasn't any ideas or patents that I may have magically
made a replica of... the only patent that is close to my idea is the prenedev motor.. which I believe is real but on his
magnet motor the way his is actually set up you can't tell just by looking at it.. you must look at the actual patent and
drawings his magnet aren't the round cylinders showing on the outside the actual magnet is embedded within' the
cylinder not revealing how his magnet's are actually placed. My desing however does and for that reason I am afraid
to show my design not wanting to give my information to the wrong person.
Now to the point. If you where in my shoes and had a design that works what would you do? how would you handle it?
please don't respond to this in a negative way. I'd actually like to hear good input and advice.
Thank You
I would first replaced my hand with a fixed installation, so I was sure I wasn't manipulating the rotor unconsciously. As you said, the magnet in your hand did make the rotor to spin. Many inventors has failed due to unconsciously movements in their hand, and as soon as the magnet in the hand was fixed, the motor did not run.
So try this first, and then see if it works.
PS! This is an open sourche forum. So in order to help you out I encourage you to play with open cards.
Good luck :)
Vidar
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Low-Q
I haven't tried to it with the magnet fixed.. it has to be moved back and fourth for the rotor to spin... due to the magnet I have
is to small. I am going to purchase a bigger magnet see if it will work better. Once I get it rebuilt I will take pictures of it. I took
it apart due to moving to another location. But to make it spin I only have to move the magnet less than 1/2 an inch....
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firstly, congrats on having a wheel that moves at all, many detailed devices don't ever make it that far, second, the negative remark about the mistake, ignore her, people like that don't belong here or any scientific forum, their assumption is if that can't do it or understand it, then it must be a mistake.
thirdly, the list was correct for procedure in testing, my input (other than to give our resident negative cow a slap)
Is that most have missed the point, your device may not be absolute perpetual motion, but it may be over unity (still free energy) the movement of your hand or an oscillating rotor may require power, yet it may be less than the rotor creates, I say forget larger magnets right now and built a small arm to hold it in place, get a 12 volt Hornby train locomotive and lay it on its side and use the oscillating rotor arm on the wheels to move the magnet, these are low current motor driven, so will work with less voltage than intended just slower, if you can turn the arm with 1.5 volts and get more volts and amps out of the rotor, you have succeeded.
Go for it.
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Low-Q
I haven't tried to it with the magnet fixed.. it has to be moved back and fourth for the rotor to spin... due to the magnet I have
is to small. I am going to purchase a bigger magnet see if it will work better. Once I get it rebuilt I will take pictures of it. I took
it apart due to moving to another location. But to make it spin I only have to move the magnet less than 1/2 an inch....
"it has to be moved back and fourth for the rotor to spin..."
Yup yup, just as the current varies in a normal electric motor to deflect the rotor, so your hand is the energy source, I'm outta here.
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Low-Q
I haven't tried to it with the magnet fixed.. it has to be moved back and fourth for the rotor to spin... due to the magnet I have
is to small. I am going to purchase a bigger magnet see if it will work better. Once I get it rebuilt I will take pictures of it. I took
it apart due to moving to another location. But to make it spin I only have to move the magnet less than 1/2 an inch....
Holding anything in your hand is a sure way to deceive yourself, work on removing this first.
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Low-Q
I haven't tried to it with the magnet fixed.. it has to be moved back and fourth for the rotor to spin... due to the magnet I have
is to small. I am going to purchase a bigger magnet see if it will work better. Once I get it rebuilt I will take pictures of it. I took
it apart due to moving to another location. But to make it spin I only have to move the magnet less than 1/2 an inch....
".. it has to be moved back and fourth for the rotor to spin... "
Remove the magnet in your hand, and push the wheel directly with your finger instead. That works even better. Good luck ;)
Vidar