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Offline AhuraMazda

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No magnetc field
« on: January 09, 2008, 10:06:46 PM »
I have recently come to the conclusion that the Earth has no magnetic field and have decided to share this knowledge rather than go for a Nobel prize.

If we have two small pins placed a little apart, under the influence of a small magnet they atract each other.
 
Why is it that earths magnetic field does not bring them together? (but the Earths magnetic field is too little to do that is no answer).

Another one: if you rub a magnet against a suitable nail several times the nail becomes magnetic.
you take a similar nail and rub it on the ground (north to south ) as much as you like and let me know the result!

I am having a sleepless night and Please someone answer this question too: Can a single atom of any ferromagnetic material
be made into a magnet?

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 10:57:32 PM »

Here is an old book from when  magnetism was a new science!

An_Introduction_to_Natural_Philosophy:

http://books.google.com/books/pdf/An_Introduction_to_Natural_Philosophy.pdf?id=grQLAAAAYAAJ&output=pdf&sig=IIPK35NhwzU5eFQKKcFT6hrutu4

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 11:06:17 PM »
I have recently come to the conclusion that the Earth has no magnetic field and have decided to share this knowledge rather than go for a Nobel prize.

Well Ahura, how do you account for the behaviour of a compass needle then?

Take a magnet, float it on a piece of wood and put it in a bowl of water and you can see the earth's magnetic field. No other explanation. Sorry about your Nobel prize.

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 12:39:24 AM »
@Ah

not only can a single atom be a magnet, a single electron is a magnet.  It can not be otherwise:  a moving charge always generates a magnetic field.

Take your two needles, and your NEO magnet, then place your NEO magnet as far from the needles as the center of the Earth and ask yourself, will the needles still attract?

Now you should understand.

Earl

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 10:38:57 PM »
@Ah

not only can a single atom be a magnet, a single electron is a magnet.  It can not be otherwise:  a moving charge always generates a magnetic field.

Take your two needles, and your NEO magnet, then place your NEO magnet as far from the needles as the center of the Earth and ask yourself, will the needles still attract?

Now you should understand.

Earl

   And a magnetic field always moving the charge  :)

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Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: No magnetc field
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 10:52:54 PM »
Thanks. Now if the magnetics flow always goes around a metallic body then how should a compass behave in a Faraday cage?
Put your bets down now because tomorrow at work I am taking a compass inside a Faraday cage!



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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 11:21:16 PM »
@ah

   Magnetism arises from a force to disperse all- Gravity arises from a force to concentrate all   The rest of the names
electricity mass potential  positive negative waveform green black purple electron proton neutron quarks animal plant sun planet on and on into infinity are just descriptions of these two fundamental forces or wills at play.  It has to be this way or all would be void or all would be as one. Once we can come to a full understanding of the interaction of these forces Man will be able to create reality into what he can only dream of now.

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Offline AhuraMazda

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 11:40:34 PM »
@sparks

Precisely.
At school they teach a theory that makes children think there is a magnet inside the Earth. This creates a lot of mis-conceptions and this is what I am trying to eradicate.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 02:36:21 AM »
      I believe the dispersion/concentration is so evident that it is overlooked by those studying a particular ordering of being.  I believe that permanent magnets cause the dispersion flow to act in a predictable way.  It is like canyon walls are to a river.  The dispersion force is everywhere and the permanent magnet construct results in a predictable reaction of this flowing force.  Iron is a pretty cool construct though.  It can resist the gravity of a blackhole which swallows up stars for lunch.  It is the iron core of the Earth that converts huge amounts of electro-magnetic energy from the sun into orbit and rotation which allows the Earth to exist within a gravitational field that should have made Earth part of the Sun's surface billions of years ago.
     I believe SM's tpu works the same way.  The magnetic field around the tpu allows for electro-magnetic waves to get collected and channeled into the tpu.
Not because of any match with some majical frequency but the same way the Earth does.  The torroidal magnetic field is such that it channels the em into the core of the tpu where the energy in the electrical potential of the wave is given up into a vortex current that supports the spherical shaped magnetic "antennae" and also results in energy gain of the vortex.  Be interesting to put the tpu on an air hockey table and see what she does.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 10:06:18 AM »
      I believe the dispersion/concentration is so evident that it is overlooked by those studying a particular ordering of being.  I believe that permanent magnets cause the dispersion flow to act in a predictable way.  It is like canyon walls are to a river.  The dispersion force is everywhere and the permanent magnet construct results in a predictable reaction of this flowing force.  Iron is a pretty cool construct though.  It can resist the gravity of a blackhole which swallows up stars for lunch.  It is the iron core of the Earth that converts huge amounts of electro-magnetic energy from the sun into orbit and rotation which allows the Earth to exist within a gravitational field that should have made Earth part of the Sun's surface billions of years ago.
     I believe SM's tpu works the same way.  The magnetic field around the tpu allows for electro-magnetic waves to get collected and channeled into the tpu.
Not because of any match with some majical frequency but the same way the Earth does.  The torroidal magnetic field is such that it channels the em into the core of the tpu where the energy in the electrical potential of the wave is given up into a vortex current that supports the spherical shaped magnetic "antennae" and also results in energy gain of the vortex.  Be interesting to put the tpu on an air hockey table and see what she does.

Interesting. I started this thread with TPU and to some extent Bedini motor in mind and to encourage debate. There is soooo much to find out about magnetism.

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Re: No magnetc field
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 11:14:55 AM »
Well, for the good old school teachings of three schools of thought,

one the magnetic earth centre,
two the magnetic field theory and
three the magnetite northern pole theory.

 for the first all science has agreed so far we do NOT KNOW what is in the centre of the earth, and unless it is a bar magnet pointing north south, i think we can rule it out, a spherical magnet does not work in that fashion BOING theory bounced.

for the second magnetic field around the earth, HHMM possible, yet because Tesla thought so, I am inclined to disagree, mostly because he, and anyone who believed his suspended pole theory knows nothing of physics. If there was a full metal ring around the planet 20 feet off the ground, it could not fall anywhere because it is equally pulled from every surface below by gravity, keeping it suspended, no magnets required. If Tesla had half a brain he would have known that, about as smart as newton who never thought of an original idea in his life, Newton:gee let me see, if we push an object it should continue unless interfered by another force, wow what a man he must be a God, pity Galileo thought of it before his grandfather was born, useless d!ckhead. although if a metal ore belt is under the sirface somewhere around the equator a north sole field at the poles would be possible, otherwise the field must be evenly spread.

for the third magnetite, probably the most sound yet least of the proponents, i will go with this from what we know to be true as a proven fact, entire islands and area the size of some states destroy compass readings by planes and boats, so most certainly a pole comprising vast quantities of magnetite would by any standard of physics be sufficient to control all needles, equally the north pole gives off high magnetic field readings the south or opposing pole does not, if it were a field the readings would be identical. This too would also rectify the global map, written by those who lived on top of it, EG: a slow cooling planet has a fat bum, as it forms a pear shape at the base, a fast cooling planet is the opposite, like a gold pan, all the heavy material is in the centre at the base whilst the lighter materials are flung and expand out the top whilst spinning giving a pear shape to the top at high speed. this would mean for the magnetite to be at the thin end, it must have cooled rapidly, ipsofacto, our map of the earth is upside down, of course had the first map makers and explorers been located down south, it would be up the other way ( so it was no possible to fall off)

The answer is it is unknown and we each have our opinions, i have simply given information to support my own. You have given no information to support Why the needles move if there is no field or magnetic force.






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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2008, 02:06:37 PM »
@Eskimo Quinn

       I am not saying that there is a  static construct of the core of the Earth that gives rise to the near and far magnetic fields of the Earth.  What I'm saying is that there is an electrical current inside the core of the Earth that gives rise to the magnetosphere which perpectuates the magnetosphere and results in Earth's spin and orbit.  This electrical current arises from the shape of the magnetosphere (the wave guide) and the electrical oscillations of the em waves radiating from the sun. 
I contend the Earth's core is iron just because it is still around. Iron defies gravity.  Look what's left around a black hole once a whole Galaxy is concentrated to the size of a basketball. Iron because of it's construct is influenced more by the dispersion force of the Universe than any other form of matter.  Iron also has electrical flow memory.  Deposits of magnetie most probably arose from fierce electrical storms that resulted in lightning strikes flowing through the frozen iron on the Earth's ancient surface. Scientists say the moon's core is frozen iron blown out of the Earth's core.  I believe first there was hydrogen and last there will be iron.  A construct of being equally affected by the two primal forces of the Universe.
       
       Telsa's endeavours were to charge a capacitor with generators at point a
then create a HIGHPOWERED oscillator and send the em energy from this oscillator into the ground in a vectored direction so they would show up at point b. This wasn't a cb radio transmitter (Marconi was enchanting the world with radio communications at the time)   This was wireless POWER.  No transmission lines no telephone poles.  He was using the Earth's crust as an antennae for millions of horsepower transmission.  Maybe his ring if it was powered up with an electron vortex flow would produce a magnetic field which would react with Earth's.  Betya that ring would start a moving.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 12:17:20 AM »
Tesla said everything was made of charge carriers in an insulating medium, this includes a "magnetic" field which is an effect of these carriers---not cause, the magnetic field was considered electric in nature, the original works of Weber, Amphere and others have shown this . I would like to point out a blatant contradiction here, the EM theory is just that ---- a theory, and if a "theory" fails in any case ---- even once, then it is an incorrect theory. EM theory has NO room for purely electrostatic longintudinal waves, it has NO room for purely magnetic torsion waves. So either you buy into the EM theory and call thousands of open minded scientists liars or the EM theory is false, incorrect or in Teslas words a delusion.
Here is an interesting read------http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm
Tesla did real experiments nobody wants to talk about because as I said the EM theory holds true in every case or it doesn't in any case, I will let you come to your own conclusions.


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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 12:40:36 AM »
@all canadien

    You leave out the third possibility that both are imperfect.  I respect Telsa's work.  When you view it with what he had to work with you respect it even more.  Telsa was a builder like Lee DeForest. He would build experiment and then build some more according to the results of his experiments.  He made mistakes like everyone else.  Elastic aether?  He was into generating at point a and receiving at point b. He used the Earth as an antennae and shot high frequency high power energy into it.  The wave was still guided by magnetic field propogation.  He himself stated that 95 percent of the transmission could be current which left 5 percent of the transmission energy going into guiding the current.  He must have had a hell of a time trying to calculate how far his potential was going to go considering the antennae he was using.
Longitudanal em transmission does not equate to scalar em.  I can see scalar em working if you can fill a field with say electrons or photons then electrically "push" on the field.  Electrons and photons do have mass so the energy flow would be scalar.

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 03:28:03 AM »
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The wave was still guided by magnetic field propogation.  He himself stated that 95 percent of the transmission could be current which left 5 percent of the transmission energy going into guiding the current.

I mean no offense but you have taken Teslas words completely out of context, here is what he said--

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Let's see if I understand this correctly. If you have radiation or electromagnetic waves going from your system, the energy is wasted?
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Absolutely wasted. From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth.

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By proper design and choice of wave lengths, you can arrange it so that you get, for instance, 5 percent in these electromagnetic waves and 95 percent in the current that goes through the earth.  That is what I am doing.  Or you can get, as these radio men, 95 percent in the energy of electromagnetic waves and only 5 percent in the energy of the current. . . . The apparatus is suitable for one or the other method.  I am not producing radiation with my system; I am suppressing electromagnetic waves. . . . In my system, you should free yourself of the idea that there is radiation, that the energy is radiated.  It is not radiated; it is conserved. . . .

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By proper design and choice of wave lengths, you can arrange it so that you get, for instance, 5 percent in these electromagnetic waves and 95 percent in the current that goes through the earth.  That is what I am doing.  Or you can get, as these radio men, 95 percent in the energy of electromagnetic waves and only 5 percent in the energy of the current. . . . The apparatus is suitable for one or the other method.  I am not producing radiation with my system; I am suppressing electromagnetic waves. . . . In my system, you should free yourself of the idea that there is radiation, that the energy is radiated.  It is not radiated; it is conserved. . . .

Read the article ----------http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#A7
Teslas machines could develop potentials above 12 million volts at megacycle frequencies, instantaneous energies in the millions of horsepower range ---- and none of the so called experts then nor today can reproduce his work, that should tell you something.


 

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