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Offline angryScientist

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Gyroscopic effect
« on: January 08, 2008, 08:18:07 AM »
The gyroscopic effect that is referred to by Steven Marks in the videos could be the key to attaining the correct frequencies and phase relationship.

I see how this effect could come about but I am going to hold out on explaining it for a while. My reasoning is that I would like some more information that is untainted by my own thoughts to perfect this little theory of mine. I think there could be some things that I have over looked. Also I would like to know of any other theories that could explain such a phenomenon.

Whether TPU is a free energy device or not I see that the "gyroscopic" effect is a valuable and can be applied in other ways.

The question is; how is the effect produced?

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Gyroscopic effect
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Offline innovation_station

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2008, 02:30:49 PM »
you must ask the questions b4 you will ever find the answers 8)


let this question be asked

what is gravity?

ist

for when you find the answer you will be able to control it  8)

now knowing everything in this universe of nature has a polar opposite

what is gravity ?

Offline angryScientist

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2008, 06:24:13 PM »
@ innovation_station

That is a very good question.

It brings up another question in my mind. How do we figure any problem out?

I submit that to figure any problem out it is necessary to hold all the things known about the subject in our mind. Then consider all the possible solutions or out comes discarding what can not be plausible or feasible and choosing the most appropriate option from what is left.

This may sound like a daunting task but we do it everyday. I believe that the word 'comprehend' implies that very act. Com = together, pre = before, hendere = to grasp/take hold of. Just like catching a baseball. You can see where the baseball will be so you put yourself in the position to meet it before it arrives. It all happens faster than you can blink an eye.

On the subject of gravity I submit my observations that are probably not generally considered or maybe over looked;
1. We are not in a completely electrically neutral situation. Electron density changes with height on this planet.
2. We are in motion. Everything on the planet moves East ward. Facing East at the equator you are moving in that direction @ ~1040 miles per hour.
3. We are in a magnetic field. The lines of force exit at the south pole and travel north reentering the earth at the north pole.
4. Just like a Faraday disk generator all electrical charges on the planet experience a force, toward the center for electrons and toward the periphery for protons.
5. Therefore protons and electrons are forced apart magnetically yet are attracted electrically.

Of course I'm sure this does not describe the situation entirely but that's my perspective on the thing.

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
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Offline EMdevices

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2008, 11:29:00 PM »
I believe the gyroscopic effect is present because the TPUs vibrate.

It is well known that vibrational objects exibit gyroscopic efects, and it's the basis for designing gyroscopic IC.  It is not needed to actualy SPIN an object to have it be gyroscopic.

The real question is why it vibrates?

EM


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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2008, 11:49:23 PM »
Same reason jumper cables jump - the little thingies are made to move - they have mass, inertia, momentum

 ;)

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 12:23:15 AM »
all this being said

now what is gravity?

being you know what the polar oppsite is

can you name the oppsite?

ist


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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2008, 01:02:56 AM »
radiation - everyone knows that  :o

Now back to that gyroscopic effect...

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2008, 02:45:07 AM »
you must ask the questions b4 you will ever find the answers 8)


let this question be asked

what is gravity?

ist

for when you find the answer you will be able to control it  8)

now knowing everything in this universe of nature has a polar opposite

what is gravity ?

   Gravity arises from a will to concentrate.  It is opposed by a will to disperse which gives rise to magnetism.  The physical Universe a construct of these two wills.   

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2008, 05:29:44 AM »
I believe vibration in the TPUs could be due to two basic occurrences.

1)  Lorentz forces  (due to current in the presence of magnetic fields   )

2) Magnetostriciton (due to physical strain of ferromagnetic materials in the presence of magnetic fields)

EM

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 03:25:45 PM »
I believe vibration in the TPUs could be due to two basic occurrences.

1)  Lorentz forces  (due to current in the presence of magnetic fields   )

2) Magnetostriciton (due to physical strain of ferromagnetic materials in the presence of magnetic fields)

EM

When you remove the cone from a speaker - does it vibrate?

Ever heard the "hum" of overhead transmission lines?

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2008, 07:54:33 PM »
I'm having a little problem understanding the handedness here.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Rechte-hand-regel.jpg)

In the above image I,B and F are current, magnetic field and force exerted on electron?
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In the below image v, B and F are positive charge flow, magnetic field and force exerted? Or is that wrong?

(http://www.physics.brocku.ca/faculty/sternin/120/images/F19005c.gif)


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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 03:40:58 AM »
    I believe the gyroscopic effect is from the collector windings electrons flowing in a wild ass orbital current in the vicinity of at least 5000 rotations per second.  I know electrons don't have much mass but get enough of them going in a circle and you've got yourself an electronic top.  5000rps means electron (a) goes by the same point in the collector winding 5000 times a second.  If you have a one foot diameter tpu that electron is going 10,200 miles per hour, which is pretty damn close to the rotational speed of the earth at the equator.
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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2008, 07:27:17 AM »
^^ TPU rotational speed having relation with earth's rotational speed .. interesting  :)

Offline EMdevices

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 02:15:34 AM »
angryscientist,   the images you show need to be applied with the correct equations, but for the x, y, z axis you show in the picture I see a problem,   the index finger needs to point in the x direction, then the second in the y, and the thumb in the z.   

Also if you do cross product like  Y x Z  , (read as Y cross Z),  you point your index finger in the direction of Y then the  second finger in the direction of Z and finally your thumb indicates the resulting direction which is X.  (another example is:  X x Z = -Y)   

So anyway, the right hand rule helps in many ways with helping to visualize the rectangular coordinate system and the transformations which certain mathematical rules produce, and especially in electromagnetics, we deal with a lot of vectors and cross products, etc,

Now the second picture shows the force developed on a moving positive charge in the direction of vector 'V',  while it is traveling in a magnetic field shown by the vector 'B'   The actual equation for this is  F = q (v x B)   which has the cross product in it again.   So you place your index finger in the direction of the first vector 'V'  and the second finger in the direction of 'B'  and the thumb shows you the resulting vector direction in the Z axis.   

It's really quite easy once you get the hang of it.   Hope that helps a bit.

EM

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Re: Gyroscopic effect
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 03:08:42 AM »
Sharing some thoughts and trying to stretch out a bit......

These electrons that are somehow moving at very high speeds through the wires and creating a gyro force that give a sensation of motion to the TPU. I'm trying to grasp this concept. Generally when electrons move fast in wires this is called electric current and when it reaches a certain level the wires dissintegrate. This is from the heat produced as electrons are ripped from atoms and then jump back onto them.

Does anyone know the actual velocity of the electrons that will destroy a wire? How many coloumbs?

Do these electrons stop jumping between valence shells of the copper atoms and start to run down the outsides of the wire? How do they get free of the copper atoms? Lightening bolts?

On a valence shell of a copper atom the electron is approaching c velocity. But as the electron gets ripped off the shell its velocity is reduced to a crawl. To get these electrons up to a reasonable mass propulsion we could look inside the TV sets CRT. Does the screen get pushed outwards as the electron beam hits it, does it rattle the front metal screen that is peppered with holes? How fast must these electrons move to start to create a centrifugal force of consequence?

Ever see a vacuum tube vibrate in the slightest as it is pulsed with electron flows?

Are these also the same electrons moving through the light bulb and not bouncing it arournd in the least? What happened to them as they left the TPU did they loose their mass or their velocity?

The only thing moving fast down the wire is the E vector voltage. It moves first down the skin at c velocity. Now that this c velocity force is in place called voltage, what does it do to every Proton setting inside the wire? It jerks it towards the skin of the wire. There is your mass interaction creating a violent shock of mass all pulled outwards in the wire. This force is exerted outwards for a negative charge E vector voltage and the shock compression is outwards leaving a vacuum inside at the core of the wire. This pulse effects the spin momentum of the wires mass.

A positive voltage causes a shock inwards of the mass of the wire. All those little nucleuses with all that weight is shocked at the center of gravity for each one, and there is where one would expect to effect things like gravity. The strong force center, where gravity is already present as mass to energy.

The nucleus of the atom is lighter then the sum of its parts by the function of E = M C^2. Strong force is a result of the loss of mass of the parts. Here is where the secret to gravity must lie, what ever it is.

Moving the E vector around a circuit at c velocity and getting it to build, without moving electrons would seem the key to me. Doing this with fast pulses, too fast to allow the electrons to be ripped off the atoms in the first place, thus no heat. We all know the TPU heats up badly however, so this is not the case.

Dave L



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