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Author Topic: Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read  (Read 26273 times)

loosecannon

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Re: Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2008, 06:14:19 AM »
mramos,

check out the details of Stanley Meyer's untimely death just recently, and tell us your opinion of what happened to him. 
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Re: Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2008, 08:45:58 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2008, 10:13:46 PM »
I am sure that most of you have read SM's account of his interview with the FBI in his letter published in the compiled pdf of SM postings. It should be clear from this account of the interview that the TPU is classified technology belonging to the US government.  The fact that there is no patent also suggests that this is classified technology.  He may have been awarded a patent after presenting information about just a crucial part of the device in order to thwart 'suppression' if the authorities issue a secrecy order. Once they understood what the patent was really for they would have withdrawn it in the interst of national security.  If this is so then SM does not have the right to claim ownership of the TPU and neither does he have the right to sell the rights to the device to others.  The investers who paid him $10 million have effectively lost their money because it is not possible to manufacture classsified technology for sale to the public.  In 2003 SM again tried to sell the rights to something that does not belong to him by contacting the Seaspower group.  If I am right then SM is as much a scoundrel as Abdul Qadeer Khan who sells nuclear secrets to rogue states.

People on this forum regard SM as some kind of expert on the technology, but this is not so.   SM is a self taught man who discovered the technique by tinkering.  His naivity is revealed by his statement that the TPU pulls electricity out of the sky.  Once you understand where the energy comes from you would understand why this technology is so dangerous.  No responsible person who really understands this technology would dream of sending messages to a science forum encouraging the public to reproduce it because there is a chance that a forum member would have a fatal accident or turn it into a bomb.  I don't want to go into details about things the public are not supposed to know except to say that the TPU taps the same source of energy that caused Tunguska and this event was caused by high altitude lightning on a vast scale.

There are people on this forum who are so conceited that they believe that having an engineering degree makes them qualified to work with classified technolgy.  I can assure you that however well educated you are nothing you have been taught has prepared you for this.  No more dangerous than a wall socket?  Actually, free-energy is a lot more dangerous than a wall socket.  In his disclosure book Steven Greer clearly states several times that the classified devices that he proposes that the public should be allowed to buy for use as generators can also be used as weapons.  Why would Greer or anyone else consider giving such dangerous technology to the public if there was a harmless alternative in the form of the TPU?  It is possible that one of the classified devices on offer is in fact the US government's own version of the TPU.

About a year ago I began to susupect that there is a serious safety issue with magnet motors and that there are possible military applications for them.  Since the TPU appears to be the same thing except with virtual magnets then the same issues would apply to it as well.  I have since done more research that has convinced me that it is not possible to separate military and civillian applications of this technolgy and that presenting information about it on the internet will put the safety of the public in jeapardy.  That is why I deleted my post and why I will not share my research on free energy here.

Should we go back to banging rocks together then?

Build more nuclear ractors?  Drill for oil in Alaska? or your backyard?

We can build bombs from fertilizer but no cheap energy.

There is no evidience that he received anything for the technology much less 10M.  If he did discover it, he has the damn right to do whatever he pleases with it.  Look at all the inventors and discoverers before him.  What about Tesla's technology?  Should Tesla's patents be deleted from patent offices because they can be dangerous?

Perhaps there are no patents because thee simply weren't any given.

Taking a breath of air is dangerous.  Walking down the damn street is dangerous.  Driving a car is dangerous.  Working on a machine is dangerous.  Taking a crap on a toilet is dangerous - a damn snake might swim up the pipe and bight you on the arse - ROFLMFAO!!!!!

Hear about that kid that was enriching uranium in a shed next to his house?  Whole damn neighborhood was hot.  He's in the Navy now.  Hmm - guess that was a little dangerous...


Magnet motors are uinsafe too - shite what's left?  Plasma?

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Re: Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2008, 10:54:12 PM »
Good Lord no Grumpy not plasma. Rumor has it it can get hot. Heat can cause burn injury. and even death. Besides the surgeon general has determined that living can be hazardous to your health!

Don't you realise that the inventors and thinkers need people who have convinced themselves that  they are smarter than than everyone else to protect us. Its all in the name of safety for goodness sake. Thats just what we need. more safety police running around. Its getting out of hand. don't you know that real progress is being made. Now we cant have that now can we. its unsafe i tell you!

Labels should read "Spinning magnets inside an armature can cause electricity, Electricity can cause death or serious injury" lol!

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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2008, 11:38:42 PM »
If Governments don't want "free energy" or "cheap energy" in the hands of the people - it is becuase of one thing - control.

Look at the revenue collected from all the sources of energy that we use.

Look at the infrastructure required to deliver it to you and the support required to maintain it.

It's all about power and control - no pun intended.  The less the people rely on others - the less control you have.

What if we had replicators like on Star Trek - no worries for food, clothing, nothing to buy - just push a button and there it is. 

Don't you think that governments would take away everyone's arms (guns and such) if they could?  Is it for safety from ourselves?

Are we supposed to be like the "Copper-Tops" in the Matrix - contributing energy to the system in exchange for life and protection - as long as we keep contributing.

Then there is the aspect of the Matrix that is based on what many intelligent people have told us is the truth.  Things like "light speed can not be exceeded by matter", "perpetual motion machines and anything looking like one can not exist", etc.

Maxwell, after he wrote his fine works, stated that he did not know if he was correct.

Thoughts similar to this occured to Einstein as well.  Neither were gods - just mortal men.

Unless you look beyond what others before us have seen - we can see nothing more.  Same goes for the responsibility of mankind. 

Change has to come - it is enevitable - and no one can stop it forever. 

Mankind will mature as a species or destroy himself - like many before him (and a few times before too).

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Re: Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2008, 01:00:33 AM »
It's a sad world. Think about the happiness of people if we were totaly free. Civilzation created crimes we fear today.

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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2008, 01:36:17 AM »
@ Grumpy, And Hope. Yep! agree 100%. Until the acquisition of wealth and so called power becomes a distant goal of the species as a whole. there is much to do. we have a long way to go to break that cycle.

What do "They" really controll anyway?,, NOTHING! "They" are as helpless and mortal as everyone else. Sick and twisted maybe, But still mortal.

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Re: Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2008, 05:27:07 AM »


Hi!

Einstein?

Who is this guy?

The one who dismissed Aether?

The f' one that forbidden more than light speed?

I have a free CD about that. Just email me.

Fed up with the 'relativity' police.

Come on!  Einstein is over.

Best

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Re: Einstein's Dilemma - Why Governments suppress Free Energy! Please Read
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2008, 06:12:08 AM »
Nerz Duhal..

The post wasn't on einsteins ideas but his fears!  E=mc^2 no matter how wrong he was it still implied vast energy potential. 

To the guy who runs keelytech,  I thought you were an intelligent person but arguing on the third page about how some guy in 400AD said that the vacuum was not possible or was empty,  you sound like your retarded.  How would you think a man that lived in an age without the technology we have today could understand a concept.  You sound almost like this guy who barely knew what we know today could be such an immortal physics god or something.  I say go back to your site and don't post there is no such thing as quantuum energy.  Can you disprove it?  HELL NO, becuase you haven't the mathematical equations to disprove it.  In fact this energy violates no laws of quantuum physics!

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2008, 09:49:17 AM »
sorry dudes you just abounch of cry babies ilke most poeple ...TESLA GAVE YOU THE TOOLS so QUIT CRYEN GO MAKE THEM WORK   :o or your just in learning and can get it  , thatsok most can't get it ..... your lost  you'll never get it and just bitch all the time ...educate yourself and be educated and be a builder this is what this fourm is about not lerkers and sit on there ass as ask questions

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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2008, 07:09:51 PM »
I am sure that most of you have read SM's account of his interview with the FBI in his letter published in the compiled pdf of SM postings. It should be clear from this account of the interview that the TPU is classified technology belonging to the US government. 

I think you are inventing conclusions, since I find that it is not clear at all from this interview that this technology belongs to the US government.  If it was, SM would have been arrested by the FBI for attempting to release government-owned, classified technology.  The fact that he was not arrested is absolute proof that this technology is privately-owned.

The fact that there is no patent also suggests that this is classified technology.

You have a very active imagination, unfortunately totally non logical and very biased.  The above statement is so weird, I can not help but have the feeling that you are a disinformation agent.

He may have been awarded a patent [snip]
If this is so then SM does not have [snip]

Maybe this,     if so that ..........
What a waste of time.
Maybe if the sky falls, if so we will all die.
You are blowing smoke rings out your ass.

In 2003 SM again tried to sell the rights to something that does not belong to him by contacting the Seaspower group.

Again a lie, since if he attempted to sell classified, government property he would have been arrested again.  He would long ago have been placed under permanent FBI and NSA monitoring and his communications with SEA would have been intercepted.  Once again, this proves without any doubt whatsoever that the TPU is corporate property, which if not followed up, becomes public domain.

If I am right then SM is as much a scoundrel as Abdul Qadeer Khan who sells nuclear secrets to rogue states.

"if I am right" translated into English means "I do not know what I am talking about".

whose nuclear secrets?  Are Pakistani nuclear secrets now automagically  property of the US Government?
What about Mrs. Plame's anti-proliferation investigations concerning Dick Cheney ?

Which rogue state sent weaponized anthrax spores to Senator Daschle and others, killing five people and infecting 17 others.?  Hint:  this anthrax was manufactured by and under the control of the US government.

Which rouge state wanted Senator Daschle to stop his investigation of 911?  Which rouge state brought down building 7 in a controlled demolition, as confirmed by Larry Silverstein in a TV interview?

Which rouge state sent 6 fully-armed nuclear warheads on advanced cruise missiles flying over the USA in violation of a multitude of Air Force regulations and strict, draconian  controls?  Which rouge state disabled the alarm system for the nuclear weapons bunker?  The entire operation was completely outside the normal chain of command with its double and triple checks at every step along the way.  Which rouge state wrote the name of an American city on each of the 6 nuclear weapons?  Which rouge state murdered half a dozen airmen involved in this incident?

Once you understand where the energy comes from you would understand why this technology is so dangerous.

The horseless carriage is more dangerous than the TPU.  Not only does this diabolical contraption cause millions of direct deaths per year, the insidious effects are worse.  Putting lead in gasoline has lead to the dropping of IQ in the general American populace to around 50.  This is proven by the fact that a third of the American public believe that the Sadaam bogeyman was behind 911.

With no fallout, it is a proven fact that the TPU can cause no lasting damage.  It can not cause a nuclear winter, nor damage the human genome.

No responsible person who really understands this technology would dream of sending messages to a science forum encouraging the public to reproduce it because there is a chance that a forum member would have a fatal accident or turn it into a bomb.

Anyone capable of building a TPU that functions is a priori an educated and experienced experimenter with appropriate and sophisticated equipment. Computer heros spend their time posting instead of building.  Everyone on this forum knows that even a power supply with 50 Volts can kill.  The 110 or 220 Volts in every household socket can kill.  A lamp cord can kill, a hairdryer in the bathroom, and on and on.  You can slip getting up in the morning and have a fatal accident.

Every responsible person would insist that all forum members stay in bed, since it is common knowledge that getting out of bed carries the risk of a fatal accident.  This is a fact that can not be denied.

I don't want to go into details about things the public are not supposed to know except to say that the TPU taps the same source of energy that caused Tunguska and this event was caused by high altitude lightning on a vast scale.

You are inventing things again and blowing smoke rings out your ass.  Expeditions sent to the area in the 1950s and 1960s found microscopic glass spheres in siftings of the soil. Chemical analysis showed that the spheres contained high proportions of nickel and iridium, which are found in high concentrations in meteorites, hinting that they were of extraterrestrial origin.  In scientific circles, the leading explanation for the explosion is the air burst of a meteoroid 6?10 kilometers above Earth's surface.  Since the second half of the 20th century, close monitoring of Earth's atmosphere has led to the discovery that such meteoroid air bursts occur rather frequently. A stony meteoroid of about 10 meters (30 ft) in diameter can produce an explosion of around 20 kilotons, and data released by the U.S. Air Force's Defense Support Program indicate that such explosions occur high in the upper atmosphere more than once a year.  Soviet experiments performed in the mid-1960s, with model forests (made of matches) and small explosive charges slid downward on wires, produced butterfly-shaped blast patterns strikingly similar to the pattern found at the Tunguska site. The experiments suggested that the object had approached at an angle of roughly 30 degrees from the ground and 115 degrees from north and had exploded in mid-air.

There are people on this forum who are so conceited that they believe that having an engineering degree makes them qualified to work with classified technology.

Here you are taking the position that "if I lie enough times, people may believe my lies".
This technology is not classified, especially in Canada, Mexico, and all other countries in the world.  Forum members in countries all over the globe are inherently qualified for TPU research and need NO permission from anyone or any government.  American sovereignty ends at its borders.

It is possible that one of the classified devices on offer is in fact the US government's own version of the TPU.

You keep repeating your lie that SM offered classified devices, when in fact doing so would have resulted in his immediate arrest.

It is possible that the Sun will stop shinning tomorrow.

It is possible that you are retarded.

I have since done more research that has convinced me that it is not possible to separate military and civilian applications of this technology and that presenting information about it on the internet will put the safety of the public in jeopardy.  That is why I deleted my post and why I will not share my research on free energy here.

You did not use due diligence in your research or you would have discovered that we have long since been over Hubbert's peak and that all oil pumps will be stopped in the time frame 2020 - 2025 as it will cost more energy to pump and distribute hydrocarbon products than obtained by burning them.  Assuming that famines, riots, anarchy, and the big die will start a decade or more before the pumps are turned off, we do not have much time left.  This is also the point when all governments and nation states will collapse.

The imbeciles with the horse blinders of "national security" and "military supremacy" who kept this knowledge locked up in special compartmentalized projects, instead of releasing it in the 1960s and 70s will be responsible for the upcoming, total destruction of America.  Even if released tomorrow, it is most likely too late to save 200 million Americans from starvation.  Another 50 million will die from cannibalism.  This is called retarded national security.

The danger from TPUs is negligible compared to the number of people that Nature will kill as a result of mankind's stupidity.  A global population dropping from say 8 to 10 billion down to 100 million in the space of a few years due to starvation is a lot more damage than any TPUs could ever do.

Your preaching of TPU danger is so biased, so contorted, so full of lies, you must be a dis-information agent, there is hardly another explanation.

Earl

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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2008, 05:19:22 AM »
There is nothing wrong with trying to further mankind and progress on the TPU.

My main point is that the government will suppress the hell out of it becuase it can be used as a weapon.  If you don't belive it can be used as a weapon, please stop experimenting becuase you WILL hurt yourself.

The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2.  But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron!  That is a ridiculous amount of energy.

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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2008, 05:36:55 AM »
Guns do not kill people.

People kill people.

Man's worst enemy is  himself.

That aside, back to the search....

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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2008, 05:42:03 AM »
@Earl,

bitchin' post - dude - must of drank a 6p of "whoop-ass" writing that.

Enough of this "bury the TPU" crap!

Let's figure it out and set us all free!

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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2008, 08:30:18 AM »
The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2.  But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron!  That is a ridiculous amount of energy.
@rhombus
Never was there a greater misunderstanding of Einsteins formula than it's representation here in this thread. Yes E=mc^2. But what does that actually mean?

It is not a formula for predicting the kinetic energy of an electron (or any piece of matter), as it hurtles around at sub-luminal speed. It is a formula which shows the amount of energy released when matter (of any kind) is completely annihilated and is no longer considered a piece of matter, but instead is converted to the pure energy equivalent of a given particle of matter.

Simply accelerating an electron to high speeds does not give it the awesome energy output of E=mc^2. It's still matter, and merely possesses a kinetic energy with an impact force dictated by Newtons Law of Force = mass x acceleration.

Huge amounts of energy would only be released if the impact between a high speed electron and any other piece of matter was a direct hit, and complete anihilation of the electron (or other matter particle) occurred. If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.

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