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Offline _GonZo_

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2006, 05:02:24 PM »
Corect  ;)

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2006, 10:04:33 PM »
hey Michel, can't remember where i saw it, but somebody had done the math on that design...and *sigh* it is already doomed to failure.  :'(

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2006, 06:15:07 AM »
hey Michel, can't remember where i saw it, but somebody had done the math on that design...and *sigh* it is already doomed to failure.  :'(

The maths on "that design..."  is here: ? Reply #13 on: March 25, 2006, 09:48:25 PM ?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,388.msg5659.html#msg5659

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2006, 03:31:09 AM »
Well here it is at last.
I found an old scanner so I was now able to scan it.
I hope you can all read it because I am not to awake at the moment so my handwriting is bad.
It is sort of a gravitywheel (one element of it) with water as medium.
Like I said, I am not doing anything with this anymore.


Hi Tink,
nice idea.
Did it work, when you tried it ?
Did the lower arm have enough torque to shiftturn the upper
arm under water ?
Then did the lead mass fall down again and push the air
down and create another big air container under water to get
a new torque arm for raising again ?
Many Thanks !

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Offline Tink

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2006, 09:43:06 AM »
Hello HartiBerlin,





Did the lower arm have enough torque to shiftturn the upper
arm under water ?
Yes it had more then enough power, it even went some 30 to 45 degrees past the top dead center and then stopped and went back to top dead center (with the wooden block inside to keep leadweight in place)


Then did the lead mass fall down again and push the air
down and create another big air container under water to get
a new torque arm for raising again ?

That was a problem!
This device needs a lock and release system because the leadweight will shift when arm is past horizontal position.
It may sound strange but weight is only pushing aircontainer down when in vertical position, and after some 20 degrees it will go to the middle again a bit.

So to answer your first question;
Did it work, when you tried it ?
Yes and no.
Yes, I proved (to myself anyway) that there is more power coming of it then to keep the device going.
No, because I haven't taken the time to make a lock and release system for the leadweight to fall at the right positions.

Do I think this device can work with a well functioning lock and release device build in?
Yep I think so.
To get a few KiloWatts you will need a huge machine and you will have your wear on parts :(
I am no longer building these machines.
Solidstate OU is what I am looking for now.

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2006, 12:16:46 PM »
Hmm Tink,
this is very interesting !
The lock and release mechanism could be done
by a special doubble position pulse relay which needs
only a short pulse on enable and disable again the locks.

Another question is, if the air container up force was strong enough to
keep the lead weight in the upper position still at 9 to 12 o?clock ?
As the lock must only release it at 12 o?clock , the 45 degrees rotation
through 9 to 12 o?clock is the hardest part for the up-force, as the lead weight
has to be lifted in this phase...

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2006, 12:20:46 PM »
P.S: Hmm, maybe one could do this with Helium or Hydrogen in normal air ?
Okay, the forces wouldn?t be this big as under water,
but to prove the concept a small model would be okay...!

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2006, 04:05:32 PM »
The lock and release mechanism could be done
by a special doubble position pulse relay which needs
only a short pulse on enable and disable again the locks.
Mmm, is possible but I like a mechanical solution better because it is under water and may get wet.
And you also have to bring wires into the closed system and that makes it more complicated I think.

Another question is, if the air container up force was strong enough to
keep the lead weight in the upper position still at 9 to 12 o?clock ?
As the lock must only release it at 12 o?clock , the 45 degrees rotation
through 9 to 12 o?clock is the hardest part for the up-force, as the lead weight
has to be lifted in this phase...
Yep true, the part from 9 to 12 o'clock is the hard part but,...it gained so much speed from 6 to 9 o'clock it will be no problem.
Don't forget the weight is allmost in the middle and has hardly any effect.

P.S: Hmm, maybe one could do this with Helium or Hydrogen in normal air ?
Okay, the forces wouldn?t be this big as under water,
but to prove the concept a small model would be okay...!
Air as medium (with helium inside) might not work I think unless it is big enough.
From my experience I would say water as medium is best.

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Offline Tink

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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2006, 01:14:12 PM »
If people want to build this device, here are some tips.
Don't make it too small because little errors are hard to correct.
Don't make it too big because it will cost you more material,...and make sure the thing fits in the bucket/bathtub you want to test it in. (make sure it is all underwater)
Use easy to work with rubber, the thinner the better like condomrubber or surgeons handgloves.
Don't make the leadblock too heavy,..just heavy enough it will push the "cilinder" open.
Make sure the shape of the leadblock (weight) is so that a part will allways be past the axis so that that part plays no drag role (that is part of the trick of this device I think)
Make sure your wife loves you enough for you being in your workshed all the time, buy her flowers!
Multiply the time you think you need to build it in by at least 4 times,...8 times might be more realistic.
And then your biggest problem; you still have to invent the lock and release device!
Good luck ;D

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2006, 02:51:36 AM »
Mmm, no reaction anymore from anyone?
I understand that as long as there is no movie of a working device to see not many people are willing to build this.
And of course no design of a working lock and release device is given yet so I can't blame you people.
I am the only one who has seen the very strong upswing of this device and the lack of the internal weight to get the air bubble down (because the weight is allmost in the middle and a great part of the weight is canceled and has no drag effect).
HartiBerlin is right, we should try and rebuild this thing just to see if it has merrit.
I think it will be only me rebuilding it (after more then 10 years now lol) because it is my baby.
There is a trick to get the weight of the weight in an easy way without calculating it and I will post that later because I have to draw it so it is easy to understand.
You only have to calculate the dimentions of the weight but that is not hard if you know the weight of lead per liter.
I will try to make this thing with common household things so when it is running even slightly everybody can rebuild it easily.
Allow me at least a month or more to rebuild it.
I allready have an idea for the lock and release device and I think it will take a long time before we can rebuild the T.P.U. from Steven Mark, that is why I will give it a go again.
Wish me luck!

Keep you posted, Tink.

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« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2006, 11:22:48 PM »
No one wishing me luck?
Thanks for ignoring me!
Maybe you peeps think I am a disinformation agent or just a stupid jerk stealing your time with nonsense hoaxes.
I asure you I am not although hard to proof.
I already bought some plastic caps for pvc pipes and rubber household-gloves (the thin ones) for the "pistonparts"
(still don't know how I should call it in english).
Bought one length (4 meters) 5/8 inch pvc pipe too and two small tubes of superglue.
I need to buy a bronze stick (for copper-hardsoldering) to use as a piston push-pull stick (help with english words please).
The lead (around a kilo) I still have so don't need to buy it.
I have drawn some other lock and release devices which I think might work too, though I am not sure what design to use yet.
I have been thinking about what HartiBerlin has said about using electromagnets but I have desided to use a mechanical device because when it works it should be as simple as possible so that poor people in Africa or other poor people in other countries can easily rebuild it.
You may think that I am just a little bit too sure about this whole thing and maybe you are right.:)
But on the other hand, I have seen what I have seen many years ago and I think it might be worth to rebuild it because it has merrit.
Every father loves his child so forgive me if I am too overconfident.

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2006, 12:21:18 AM »
I wish you good luck Tink! :)
I think the water type devices aren't the best solutions for a gravity type machine, but maybe they have easier and more friendly details to think about than the well known overbalanced type wheels.

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Re: Gravity Motors = Free Energy
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2006, 03:21:20 AM »
good luck. when you get it running upload a video here asap.

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« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2006, 11:44:48 AM »
Thanks Greg & Gregory and FreeEnergy for your moral support :)
There is something else we should know and that is that Indian inventors have already made a gravity engine.
See these links:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Meerut_Graviational_Energy_Claim
http://ww.smashits.com/video/snoop/7988/new-source-of-energy.html (video)
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060624/139/65ctd.html
So I wonder if I should continue or not.
For as far as I could see it is not the same design as mine.
When I first made the most promissing design and I thought I found it, it made me wonder.
I could not be the first one to discover this, many people must have thought about this and also made working models.
I think the above links will make a storm in inventorland because it is so darn simple.
I think it is best to continue rebuilding my toy, just in case the above invention is not heard of anymore.
Keep you posted.

 

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