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Title: The Moray device
Post by: allcanadian on January 05, 2008, 08:52:09 PM
Here are some aspects of the moray device that are usually not considered, in the picture below(upper left corner) is a basic crystal radio, which is what I believe morays device is plain and simple, but with a few additions.In the picture the crystal radio consists of a coil and capacitor forming a resonant tank circuit, the diode rectifies the AC current into DC which drives the earphone or speaker. But it is rarely considered that the EM wave producing the time varied potential in the antenna can only intercept one half of the wave, one half of the potential at any given time. Now lets consider one of Teslas little sectrets hidden in his circuits, the dual array. In the upper right in the picture posted are two antennas, one black on the left and one blue on the right, notice that at one wavelength the black antenna is at max potential and at the same instant the blue antenna is at min potential, the combined potential is double that which can be recieved by a single antenna.
Now consider the image at the bottom of the picture posted, a capacitor, a flat plate capacitor? We can see that at a given frequency one side of the capacitor is at max potential the other at min. one interesting aspect of this is the casimir effect, that is when two plates become very close together there is a strong attraction which science basically labelled and dismissed. We know that opposites attract so it would seem logical that these plates would attract if one plate hit max potential when the other was at minimum, it is also know that the closer together the plates are the greater the capacitance, these "plates" could also be considered windings or wires in a coil in the right context. Another aspect is two highly polished plates X distance apart producing a measurable temperature rise---infrared wavelength?My point here is that all too often our perception of things becomes polarized or tainted by what we "know" as fact or sense, I find myself questioning everything the more I learn. Moray stated in no uncertain terms that we are surrounded by energy, this energy saturates everything. Here are some interesting Moray quotes from "The sea of energy in which the earth floats"

When a resilient substance is subjected to strain and then set free, one of two things may happen. The substance may slowly recover from the strain and gradually attain its natural state, or the elastic recoil may carry it past its position of equilibrium and cause it to execute a series of oscillations. Something of the same sort may also occur when an electrified capacitor is discharged.

An atom which has given up one or more electrons is said to be ionized. It is possible that ionization, i.e., excitation, may take place in successive steps through absorption of quanta energy. The return of an ionized atom to a state of lower energy is associated with electromagnetic radiation. Also, from the process of ionization, electrical energy may become associated with the vibrational forces of the universe coming into the earth as cosmic radiation. The higher the frequency, the greater the ionization or excitation, a form of energy which is kinetic in nature.

It has been agreed that all forms of matter are vibrating at a particular rate of frequency. And, so it is with the various forms of energy ---heat and light, magnetism and electricity. These are but forms of vibratory motion connected with and being generated from the same source, the universe. Matter vibrates at a particular rate, according to its character, and may be transmitted into other substance by lowering or raising its rate of frequency. If the frequency is raised high enough, the molecules will separate and the atoms become free.

In my opinion there are just too many cases where energy miraculously enters a supposedly "closed" system leading me to believe there are NO closed systems, and if you believe that waves regardless of there nature propagate through space you must also believe that ALL space contains energy as waves.

As usual I retain the right to be absolutely wrong ;)
Best Regards
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: allcanadian on January 06, 2008, 12:35:40 AM
Ahhh this is interesting

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Evidence of staggering incoming power, the energy of the drifter is difficult to explain with conventional theory. Recall that Dr. Moray first became aware of the power potential in space energies while employed by the Telegraph and Telephone Company. His extensive preoccupation with the "ocean like surges", heard through the long lines in headphones, prompted all of his successful research. There are those who therefore believe that Dr. Moray was tapping the energy of the potent auroral electrojets, which constantly surge in the ionosphere above us. They therefore do not cite cosmic rays or any such radiant sources in explaining what Dr. Moray "realistically achieved".

These researchers believe that his discovery of the Stone provided a material, a semi-conductor, capable of very high frequency avalanche conduction. The very high voltages, instantaneously released in substantial capacitances such as telephone lines, were capable of flowing through an external circuit to power several appliances. In essence, they believe that the Stone permitted the construction of a high frequency diode having solid-state negative resistance (Lehr). It is a common observation that certain impulse energies cannot "pass" through silicon diodes, while effortlessly finding conductive passage through Germanium diodes.

His employment of the early aerial and ground elements provided the capacitance through which the electrostatic energy was absorbed. It was probable that Dr. Moray further enhanced the threshold conductivity of Germanium with special radioactive additives so that it would respond with both speed and increasing saturation to the mounting electrostatic energies. Primarily developed in the large capacitance of his ground connection, these energies passed unnoticed by most experimenters. What was needed to tap this tremendous energy reservoir was a "low threshold switch". Therefore, the examination of the Moray device proceeds as a study of conduction bands and quantum potential energies in crystals

Based on the statements above is seems most likely that the Moray device is a crystal radio of sorts, take into consideration Teslas work and the common element is super high frequency oscillations saturating everything --- everywhere. The question is not "If" but "how", the "how" in this instance appears to be a low threshold switch capable of oscillations into the upper Gigahertz range or Terrahertz (unknown territory).
Consider a diode, it does nothing other than create a bias for energy to move in one direction, the max frequency determined by the material. The threshold is the min voltage for energy to flow, but ionization from radioactivity could reduce both bias and threshold "IF" the high energy particles had a bias in there flow in one direction. This would explain the cold cathode tube the patent office doesn't seem to believe exists quite well, the heater in the tube basically creates ionization promoting electron flow but wastes energy in the process. It would seem that if one could produce an ionization which required no energy input and this ionization had a prefferential direction we would have our magic diode.
It's interesting to note that Teslas "Apparatus For Producing Electric Currents Of High Frequency And Potential " did produce insane frequencies and high (ionizing) potentials with a preference in flow. Coinscidence? I think not ;)
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: DrStiffler on January 10, 2008, 08:07:52 PM
I like your view and find the graphic interesting, think what a screw adjustment could do to allow tuning of the plates via in/out movement.

Anyway you are without doubt correct that space is full of all frequencies that could indeed be used for energy recovery/conversion. I have included a graphic of a circuit I worked with back in  1994 and found it very interesting. The generator can of course be replaced with a 555 to fire the opto switch. The C1 cap and the switch freq. need to be properly picked, but this simple circuit will run a LED if it is pulsed off C2 at about the same ratio of C1/C2.

During my work with the circuit some said the opto diode into the transistor was charging the C2 cap. This fear can be eliminated by using a driver that is battery operated and above the earth ground, where there is no current path from the switch and the pulse drive.

Anyway enjoy it was fun to play with and may have a future with a little work.
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: onhold on January 11, 2008, 02:13:18 AM
@RStiffler

Dr., was this part of the work you did with the Telesis Group? I watched some of that and you were driving a number of LEDS before the group went dark. So is this the circuit that did it or are there better ones?
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: allcanadian on January 11, 2008, 04:56:11 AM
@lomen luni
The moray quotes came from ---http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm
This is a very interesting read

@RStiffler
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During my work with the circuit some said the opto diode into the transistor was charging the C2 cap
LOL :D people who don't understand say many things not worth repeating. That circuit you posted reminds me of a circuit I have been using based on Bill Beaty's "Ridiculously sensitive electric charge detector" that can be found here---http://amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html. You can switch HV circuits with "NO" connection quite easily and the feedback is interesting as well. I have been following the thread you started and took a peek at your website, this is very interesting work.

Best Regards
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: turbo on February 05, 2009, 01:32:55 PM
According to John Moray, highly energetic cosmic rays from space are tapped by the machine, which is in subharmonic resonance with this high-frequency energy level, and it converts this energy level into a usable form of electricity.

Moray's device used twenty-nine stages of his special detector valves, which were difficult to produce, costing about five hundred dollars each. Only about one in four proved suitable for operation. He also had difficulty in obtaining sufficiently pure materials to make his special mixture for the pellet that enabled tube operation in a one-way gating fashion. Moray explained that his device was based on the discovery of a mixture that would act as a one-way gate for the high frequency oscillations of space, so that the energy could go through the material more readily in one direction than another. Thus it was like a one-way gate valve to an ocean wave; the energy "water" could flow in in each valve, but was prevented from flowing back out. The assemblage of multiple stages thus provided a series of collectors which contained enough energy to be useful. Theoretically there was no limit to the number of collectors that could be added, and so there appeared to be no limit to the energy that such a device could produce.
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: Mannix on February 05, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
I like your view and find the graphic interesting, think what a screw adjustment could do to allow tuning of the plates via in/out movement.

Anyway you are without doubt correct that space is full of all frequencies that could indeed be used for energy recovery/conversion. I have included a graphic of a circuit I worked with back in  1994 and found it very interesting. The generator can of course be replaced with a 555 to fire the opto switch. The C1 cap and the switch freq. need to be properly picked, but this simple circuit will run a LED if it is pulsed off C2 at about the same ratio of C1/C2.

During my work with the circuit some said the opto diode into the transistor was charging the C2 cap. This fear can be eliminated by using a driver that is battery operated and above the earth ground, where there is no current path from the switch and the pulse drive.

Anyway enjoy it was fun to play with and may have a future with a little work.

The circuit is great but...

The ss devices will not pass the high speed particles ...at all ....IMHO
a cold cathode tube might be a different story
The coils do the"work" the valves prevent the  interactions from getting back  to source an cancelling them out
that is what is meant by "not using  feed back"

I hope that this is usefull...Moray had it ..thats for sure

Lindsay

Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: scotty1 on February 06, 2009, 01:22:02 AM
Hi all.
During the last couple of month's I've been playing with this crystal radio I made.
I actually got it up to 5 volts out, but usually it is around 4.2 to 4.5 volts.
It can run LED's and small digital devices.  ;D
Don't ask me why it is the way it is...I just tinker and make a drawing of what worked best.
My antenna is about 10-12 feet high and close to 30 feet long.
I started off with only 1/2 volt or so, but by observing little anomalies ect, I got it up to 5 volts out at one time.
As it is in my drawing I get about 4.25V.
Cheers
Scotty
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: tishatang on February 06, 2009, 09:15:37 AM
Hi Scotty

Good work on your circuit!  As an experiment, you may want to try and add a tunable tank circuit just above your ground.  Tune the circuit you have for max, and then tune through the frequencies available by the tank circuit before ground.  This will help isolate your circuit from ground for more voltage and possibly add a source of voltage from some resonant energy force moving up from ground?

Idea came from here:  http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html

Bill Beaty -Energy Sucking Antennas

Also, somewhere, I have a link to a crystal radio circuit that captures RF (probably a jule thief circuit?) that powers a transistor for audio amplification.  If I find it, I will post it here.

Would a cold cathode photo detector tube from an old Bell and Howell projector work as a low loss detector instead of a diode?  I am thinking these tubes would need high bias voltage?  At the bottom of this link is a list of possible crystal radio diode detectors and their respective losses:   

http://www.techlib.com/electronics/crystal.html

Hope this helps,
Chris
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: tishatang on February 06, 2009, 12:09:16 PM
Hi Scotty and all

I found the circuits I described here:

http://www.crystalradio.net/crystalplans/

Scroll down to Item #50 Powerful Crystal Set, It has the extra tank circuit above ground.  Looks like someone has already done this.

Scroll down to Item #153 Free Power Radios using transistor powered by the random radiation background.

You might want to start your own thread based on your experiments.

Chris
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: Pephyon on August 11, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
Audio Amplifiers are Vacuum "Tube" Amplifiers, they do not incorporate Solids-State signal processing or have the same properties like this kind of triode found in http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vta.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vta.htm)
Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: Pephyon on August 14, 2010, 05:27:00 AM
Here are some aspects of the moray device that are usually not considered, in the picture below(upper left corner) is a basic crystal radio

compare with this quote


It was also radioactive and worked as a nice
"passive amplifier" for radiowaves, when he tried this
as an diode in his earlier radio receiver experiments.

Title: Re: The Moray device
Post by: Pephyon on August 14, 2010, 08:37:56 PM
my family used to sell CB's or Citizen's Band two way radios.

When electrica storms used to occur, we would disconnect the antennas from the radios.

When the lighting would strike,the antenna ends would fire a spark from the tip to the ground on the antenna lead.

When this happened, the cable would both twist and move in a specific direction..of course. The combination of all three is very, very, very, very telling, when it comes to vortex work. Or understanding the base nature of a 'interference' of two waves creating a resultant vector that 'infringes' upon our dimensional vector, thus creating atomic structures at the nexal point of the waves..thus describing reality and all the issues we have in understanding it. The atomic or vibratory quanta interference meeting point of the fields and the resultant vectoral equvalent is the essence of atomic structure. Thus the vortex action. Thus the fact that heat can be substituted for time in formulas that are true to the real nature of the universe. The wavefrom's meeting point describes the two reflections of energy off two 'surfaces' Inside and outside. Nucleus and electron shell. All simple hamonics from the angular components that describe the vortexural meeting point of the planar 2-d waves. Of course, once again, the overall vectoral resultant describing the given atomic structure, as it protrudes in this 'dimension', that we like to call 'reality'.

This simple point tells one, flat out, that frequential resonant energy manipulation is the key to opening all doors in energy manipulation.

it's not the only key, it is merely the easiest, and most prevelant and prolific, in terms of effective results.

A simple point that illustrates this. Silicon, or glass, when solid, is an excellent insulator and excellent dielectric. As a heated liquid, it is an excellent....conductor. This is true for most materials, when fluid.

Check the thread "Build a Moray-like device".