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Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??  (Read 1195121 times)

Offline RunningBare

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1980 on: February 01, 2008, 02:03:05 AM »
Just saw this on ClanZer's Group
Was posted by JustMaybe
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Having been alerted to the assymetrical rotor magnet layout I did some cad work on the rotor layout, sized the photo to 144mm diameter and took some measurements. Note, due to the fisheye distortion of the camera lens the measurements may be a bit off (13mm long magnets for example), however, the relationships should be the same. In short, the North poles are closer together than the South poles, and may explain why your symetrical layout doesn't self sustain. I haven't time today to change my rig, so please, someone check this out.

JM

Notice how that top stator is oriented wrongly, unless AL marked it incorrectly the black half should be facing the rotor
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3871.0;attach=17056;image)

Offline magnetman12003

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1981 on: February 01, 2008, 02:08:13 AM »
Hi All,

Is there any reason Al cant take his original working motor device outside and in "BROAD DAYLIGHT" make a "QUALITY"movie clip of it working on a glass top table. He can start it any way he wishes then let it run and "telephoto it" operating at a distance without standing close to it.  He already claimed he had it running for hours?????

Credibility would then be established. As it is everyone is second guessing and no real working replications have been made as of this date.

Dark movie clips and and a inventor who will not release his true name dont cut it.  My thoughts are he is using the entire world as his final testing lab to see if anyone can get his basic idea really working.

Then he will step forward when thats accomplished by some one else and take full credit.   I see Butch and some others quit trying to replicate it.

Tom

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1982 on: February 01, 2008, 02:10:17 AM »
Just an armchair observer so far (although I am buying some lego to play with as funds allow  :) ), if you remember that Al said that some stator magnet & bearing combinations just would`nt work at all, I assume he referring to acceleration and not just the AGW rotation, might be worth trying?
Yeah, that's what I meant. I'll try later with different combinations. AGW isn't difficult to achieve, it's the acceleration (the effect, that is) we're trying to achieve.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1983 on: February 01, 2008, 02:16:33 AM »
@vipond50,

I tried to place the North poles similar to what's in the pic. Otherwise the diameter is slightly off (by 1-2mm) than what in Jason's drawings.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1984 on: February 01, 2008, 02:17:14 AM »
Hi All,

Is there any reason Al cant take his original working motor device outside and in "BROAD DAYLIGHT" make a "QUALITY"movie clip of it working on a glass top table. He can start it any way he wishes then let it run and "telephoto it" operating at a distance without standing close to it.  He already claimed he had it running for hours?????

Credibility would then be established. As it is everyone is second guessing and no real working replications have been made as of this date.

Dark movie clips and and a inventor who will not release his true name dont cut it.  My thoughts are he is using the entire world as his final testing lab to see if anyone can get his basic idea really working.

Then he will step forward when thats accomplished by some one else and take full credit.   I see Butch and some others quit trying to replicate it.

Tom

His reason is his schedule, and hes made it quite clear he will not succumb to pressure or demands.
After he initially posted the video he got a lot of that.
You also have to take into account that he specifically says that the video proves nothing and that OU is NOT possible.

He has maintained his stance on this throughout his posts on the steorn forum and FizzX.com.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1985 on: February 01, 2008, 02:20:41 AM »
@vipond50,

I tried to place the North poles similar to what's in the pic. Otherwise the diameter is slightly off (by 1-2mm) than what in Jason's drawings.
@ Onmi
Excellent, Glad to here that is is close, Helps confirm that the radius relative.

B.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1986 on: February 01, 2008, 02:24:48 AM »
@magnetman12003,

That's all right, the credit will go to him and to whoever reproduces it. Unless the working device reproduced doesn't follow his specifications.

As for what he says regarding whether or not this is OU that should be ignored altogether. It's not up to him to judge what is and what isn't. I've had prior discussions with him and have determined that his understanding of the subtleties of science is wanting. Let's see the effect shown in the video continuing for 7.5 hours, as claimed, and then see how anybody can deny it's OU.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1987 on: February 01, 2008, 02:45:02 AM »
Hello All,

I have my 6061 T-6 cut drilled and mounted.  New machined rotor is being worked on today.  I hope to be with Bill and Omni, Jason and Hank if a few short days when rotor arrives.

A few thoughts:

Weight of the rotor matters.  Bill showed this by experimentation and just plain logic dictates it.

AGW lock with the rotor is so unique.  Many thought it could just be slapped together and work.  If that were the case, someone probably already would have seen this effect and had a working unit.

So, we must get our rotor's down to the proper weight.  We must also interchange bearings and stator magnets, looking for a working couple.  But I think rotor weight is the first thing to address.

@ Bill
Thanks for posting the rotor measurements from Clanzer's forum.  I will use them with my new rotor, when it arrives.

Let's take our time, and go step by step.  There is no rush.  Accuracy is needed.

@ Omni
I am glad that you found 30.5 mm separation N38's.  Please post the link from where you purchased them.  Thank you.

Cheers all,

Bruce

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1988 on: February 01, 2008, 03:02:53 AM »
@Bruce-TPU,

Getting the stator to rotate AGW is no problem at all. Turns out, however, that it's not the solution. @alsetalokin has left the impression that once he made the "mistake" to have the  stator turn AGW, voila, the effect kicked in. Not so.

I'd like to know what the rotor weights of @Craigy's and @CLaNZeR's are. It seemed they had some lighter rotors. I do agree, though, that the rotor weight is a crucial parameter and we have to work on that problem. First, someone has to approach @alsetalokin next week and see if he still can reproduce the effect and if so what the rotor weight is as wel as the magnetic induction profile of the stator and rotor. If he isn't cooperative enough we have to play with various weights and compare notes regarding the magnetic induction profiles.

As for the N38 magnets I got them from http://www.engconcepts.net/List_Of_Cylinder_Magnets.asp. I think they are CYL0175.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1989 on: February 01, 2008, 03:22:13 AM »
@Bruce-TPU,

Getting the stator to rotate AGW is no problem at all. Turns out, however, that it's not the solution. @alsetalokin has left the impression that once he made the "mistake" to have the  stator turn AGW, voila, the effect kicked in. Not so.

I'd like to know what the rotor weights of @Craigy's and @CLaNZeR's are. It seemed they had some lighter rotors. I do agree, though, that the rotor weight is a crucial parameter and we have to work on that problem. First, someone has to approach @alsetalokin next week and see if he still can reproduce the effect and if so what the rotor weight is as wel as the magnetic induction profile of the stator and rotor. If he isn't cooperative enough we have to play with various weights and compare notes regarding the magnetic induction profiles.

As for the N38 magnets I got them from http://www.engconcepts.net/List_Of_Cylinder_Magnets.asp. I think they are CYL0175.
Thanks Onmi
I'll order in a batch

B.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1990 on: February 01, 2008, 04:05:52 AM »
Now the time has come to check various ring-bearing combinations. Problem is, all the bearings I have come from the same source. Same for the ring magnets. As far as I remember @alsetalokin had bearings lying around in his lab from unknown, probably different sources. So, I wonder if it would make sense to try out my bearings which come from a single source. It's not that I'm getting lazy and am trying to find excuses but will it make sense?

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1991 on: February 01, 2008, 04:20:08 AM »
One clue I would like to put out there for the bearings is this photo, this is the only one I have seen of the bearings, look at the upside down stator in the lower left of the photo:

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/al10.jpg)

The bearing is a little unusual to me, in that the outer race seems very thick.

Now one set of bearings that I ordered does look just like that, but the funny thing is they are bearings with ceramic balls, but they do have that thick looking outer race.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1992 on: February 01, 2008, 04:46:55 AM »
One clue I would like to put out there for the bearings is this photo, this is the only one I have seen of the bearings, look at the upside down stator in the lower left of the photo:

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/al10.jpg)

The bearing is a little unusual to me, in that the outer race seems very thick.

Now one set of bearings that I ordered does look just like that, but the funny thing is they are bearings with ceramic balls, but they do have that thick looking outer race.

@ Ken

Yes I see what U mean. To bad someone could not cleanup the photo and pull the bearing number.
Would be Sweet to find out what it was

Bill

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1993 on: February 01, 2008, 04:57:17 AM »
The more I'm looking at my rig the more the old problem seems to be popping up--as many have already said, the weights, especially the rotor weight may be the crucial factor, now that we have the proper magnets (I hope so). Not so much the bearings but the weights and the interplay of the fields due to the mutual disposition of the magnets. But then, again, why didn't @Craigy and @CLaNZeR get positive results with their seemingly lighter rotors. Could it be they were too light? Anybody know what their rotors' exact weight was?

One tends to think that a flywheel effect should be utilized but the flywheel may be just too heavy and won't allow the effect itself to emerge.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1994 on: February 01, 2008, 05:32:38 AM »
@All,

I wanna report the following. I just replaced a ring magnet and a bearing with a brand new (unused) ring magnet and an R3 bearing from the new batch I received today. With this new pair I wasn't able to achieve AGW no matter how much I tried. This time I didn't apply the Liquid Wrench Lubricating and Penetrating Oil I treated the old bearings with. When I replaced that new ring-bearing pair with an old one achieving AGW became easy again. Go figure.

EDIT: Now that I applied that penetrating lubricating oil my new ring-bearing pair is happily AGW-ing. So, the role of that penetrating oil someone was mentioning earlier in the thread cannot be overemphasized.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2008, 05:54:37 AM by Omnibus »