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crash_uni8

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #840 on: January 15, 2008, 03:25:50 AM »
hi im trying to replicate this too ;D
quick question im looking at the .pdf of the motor and i haven't a clue....i attached the pdf
does anyone know what the length of one side of the octagon rotor is on page 3?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #841 on: January 15, 2008, 04:01:31 AM »
does anyone know what the length of one side of the octagon rotor is on page 3?

Well, the drawing says it's 2.375" from the center to the inner edge, which makes the inner edge 2.375*2*tan(22.5) = 1.968" long. Check my math.

But, I'm pretty sure I heard Al say that it was 2.5" to the inner edge (not the center of the trough), which would make these drawings wrong.

Lemme check...

Yes, in here:
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=6#Item_49

He says:

The rotor is 3/4 in thick piece of HDPE plastic, 2 7/8 in radius, with a 0.500 in center hole bored all the way thru for the flanged axle bearings. Magnets are held in 8 evenly-spaced 1/4 in wide slots, 7/16 in deep, inner edge of slots at the 2 1/2 in radius from center

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

EDIT: fixed length calculation
« Last Edit: January 15, 2008, 03:52:42 PM by Mr.Entropy »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #842 on: January 15, 2008, 04:04:08 AM »
Guys just thought i would drop this off, i have a Panacea registered engineer (with allot of experience) building this for us ATM, will have full write up and disclosure if it gets working, here is the Blue prints he provided , hope it helps some one, am not back, am very busy these days working on Two open sourced devices will have them ready soon for third party testing.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7513/rotorlayoutjj6.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9560/baseplatelayouttz1.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3757/statorbearingmagnetadapps2.jpg

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #843 on: January 15, 2008, 04:23:58 AM »
But, I'm pretty sure I heard Al say that it was 2.5" to the inner edge (not the center of the trough), which would make these drawings wrong.

Lemme check...

Yes, in here:
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=6#Item_49

He says:

The rotor is 3/4 in thick piece of HDPE plastic, 2 7/8 in radius, with a 0.500 in center hole bored all the way thru for the flanged axle bearings. Magnets are held in 8 evenly-spaced 1/4 in wide slots, 7/16 in deep, inner edge of slots at the 2 1/2 in radius from center

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

I noticed that too, I think the file "drawings.pdf" has it off, it is taking the center of the rotor magnet as 2.5" from center.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #844 on: January 15, 2008, 04:48:38 AM »
Hello All,

About the blueprints. That dimension is different than what Al originally said because while I was drawing the rotor, I noticed a big discrepancy in the appearance of the rotor disk using the given measurements compared to the photos of the original. Look here to read the post about it (Pictures included):

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg68313.html#msg68313

Also, here is Al's reply to my finding:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg68742.html#msg68742

Additionally, I had Al verify that all the stated dimensions in my blueprints are accurate. Here is his post regarding that as well:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg69936.html#msg69936

I hope this clears up the confusion.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #845 on: January 15, 2008, 05:07:27 AM »
ok then, looks like I have two orders so far...

I know I could go back to find this info... the best material for the job was listing in the tech specs...
BUT, do we want a clear substrateinstead?

Thanks
UZ


"...But I do not recommend using polycarbonate (Lexan )for any part of the machine--it's in the wrong place on the triboelectric series, if one of my theories is correct.

Nor do I recommend acrylic plastic (Lucite, Plexiglas, Perspex?) for the rotor, if the base is acrylic. Different materials should probably be used. I used HDPE which at the opposite end of the plastic tribo series from acrylic.

----------------------------------------
The Delrin (or Acetal in the civilized world) is what I used for the early rotors and all the stator bearing/magnet holders, and the 3.5 mm to 1/2 in shaft adapter. It is by far the nicest plastic to machine. ..."

UZ - we should also consider altering the design so that we can move the stators / dampers around some... kind of like Sean did on his base... I want to be able to replicate but I also want to be able to tweak...

@Jason - What do you think??

Thanks

Geodanz

Hi Geodanz,

I also plan to make a tweakable model of this motor, but for the first off model, i think it will be imperative to built it as close to spec as possible. We do not know what underlying mechanism and factors are making it run, so changing even the slightest details may result in a dud. The only adjustable parameter on my setup is the rotor height. I am going with the simple bolt axle (which Al also used in his model when he first got it working). The screw gives us the ability to adjust both the horizontal and vertical spacing between the rotor and stator magnets, which as others have already pointed out, is a key parameter. Since I am using N42 Neos for the rotor, My guess is that the gap will need to be just a hair wider than what Al used to compensate for the greater field intensity.

God Bless,
Jason O

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« Reply #846 on: January 15, 2008, 05:10:44 AM »
Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
1. RPM of rotor and RPM of stator when the system gets in "tune" and starts to accelerate.
2. A new video with good lighting and the bottom side of the rotor shown during operation as well as side views during operation.
3. A new video showing the rotor up to speed and staying there for a time limited only by the size of the video files Youtube will allow.
4. If possible the name and a way of contacting "OC" by phone so the replication project can be approached in a "normal" professional
matter. If you will notice, on Sterling Allen's site, people give their full names as is a practice in the scientific community. It would give this site more creditability with venture captialist's and the scientific community in general. If someone is worried about "big oil" finding out who they are, well it would only take them one phone call and one hour to find out where anyone on this list lives. You can do that when you have endless billions of dollars at your disposal. I also believe that not giving all infomation to the public and being the only one with that information puts a person or persons in a very dangerous position where "big oil" is concerned. The best way is to get the information out to millions and then there is nothing to be accomplished by going to the original inventor. In fact, it just draws more attention to the situation. The web is the achilles heel for the powers that be, so take advantage of it.
5. In closing, videos taken if different locations, parking lot, or with a number of people in attendance would get more people to attempt replication. The LaFonte group has always had a policy that if we get a self runner, anyone can come by and see it operating and to a degree examine it. I feel certain that main stream science is ready to accept us if we just conduct ourselfs the way all scientists do when they have a breakthrough. They publish papers with their real names on it after patents are filed if they are seeking a patent. If not they just publish them for open sourcing.
We are spending lots of money, time, and energy trying to replicate many different designs as well as our own designs. I feel it's time overunity research everywhere became more like Sterling Allen's site
with peoples real names and then they could be contacted by parties they would be interested in speaking with.
I short, I think our movement has some growing up to do, myself included. Lets stop hiding, come out in the open, be professional, real people, using real names and we will become accepted more by the world at large. This is scientific research, not a club house.
This is my personal opinion, I have not discussed this with any LaFonte Group members before posting this.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
 

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #847 on: January 15, 2008, 05:30:09 AM »
Hi Butch,

I definitely agree with you about the points for the video. The problem though is that Al (the replicator who posted the video) would not have even released the one we all have if Omnibus hadn't pressured him into it; and after he did, he got all kinds of flack from people calling him a fraud. Al is already a bonified skeptic and does not seem to show any signs of believing that this motor's behavior is anything more than an interesting "artifact." I doubt that we can expect to see any more videos from him. But then again, who knows?

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #848 on: January 15, 2008, 05:41:40 AM »
Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
1. RPM of rotor and RPM of stator when the system gets in "tune" and starts to accelerate.
2. A new video with good lighting and the bottom side of the rotor shown during operation as well as side views during operation.
3. A new video showing the rotor up to speed and staying there for a time limited only by the size of the video files Youtube will allow.
4. If possible the name and a way of contacting "OC" by phone so the replication project can be approached in a "normal" professional
matter. If you will notice, on Sterling Allen's site, people give their full names as is a practice in the scientific community. It would give this site more creditability with venture captialist's and the scientific community in general. If someone is worried about "big oil" finding out who they are, well it would only take them one phone call and one hour to find out where anyone on this list lives. You can do that when you have endless billions of dollars at your disposal. I also believe that not giving all infomation to the public and being the only one with that information puts a person or persons in a very dangerous position where "big oil" is concerned. The best way is to get the information out to millions and then there is nothing to be accomplished by going to the original inventor. In fact, it just draws more attention to the situation. The web is the achilles heel for the powers that be, so take advantage of it.
5. In closing, videos taken if different locations, parking lot, or with a number of people in attendance would get more people to attempt replication. The LaFonte group has always had a policy that if we get a self runner, anyone can come by and see it operating and to a degree examine it. I feel certain that main stream science is ready to accept us if we just conduct ourselfs the way all scientists do when they have a breakthrough. They publish papers with their real names on it after patents are filed if they are seeking a patent. If not they just publish them for open sourcing.
We are spending lots of money, time, and energy trying to replicate many different designs as well as our own designs. I feel it's time overunity research everywhere became more like Sterling Allen's site
with peoples real names and then they could be contacted by parties they would be interested in speaking with.
I short, I think our movement has some growing up to do, myself included. Lets stop hiding, come out in the open, be professional, real people, using real names and we will become accepted more by the world at large. This is scientific research, not a club house.
This is my personal opinion, I have not discussed this with any LaFonte Group members before posting this.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
 

I always use my real name, so I will reply.  I do not think that better video will help your group with this replication.  So everyone needs to take the video in the context in which it was made.  And Al never posted the video to sway the masses, and kept it up for only 20 minutes or so.  He is a skeptic to OU.  He is still working on this "anomaly" though. 

He is either a liar, or truthful.  Plain and simple.  I have read all of his posts, and I believe he is very truthful.  I do not believe he hoaxed it.  Nor do I believe that Sean and many others have hoaxed, getting anti gear sync.  (I believe there have been 5 now.)

Watching your groups first video on youtube was disappointing. 
1.  The voice of skepticism
2.  The rotor was being spun much faster than the stator.  This is ridiculous if your group had been listening to the fact that there is a 4 to 1 sync between the stator magnet and rotor.  So the stator should be spinning 4 times faster than the rotor. 
3.  Your groups center bearing looks awfully big.  What blue print did you go off of to build your replication. 
4.  Has your group tried switching bearings?  Al reported that not all magnet bearing couples work, for whatever reason.  3 out of his 13 did not work at all.  (self powered).

So my advice?  Back to the bench, or await other replications. 

Cheers,

Bruce


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #849 on: January 15, 2008, 06:37:19 AM »
@Crashuni1
Here's another Drawing of the Rotor Jason did an excellent job, but i alway work up my own so I can do amendments if needed.

Thanks Jason
Bill

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #850 on: January 15, 2008, 06:51:57 AM »
Al just posted this at the Steorn Site.

What I've seen look really good, I think people are doing some impressive work, and I hope having some fun too.

I don't have much time
But here are a few tips

First, safety. Safety First!
--do not leave magnets lying around loose, even for a few moments. They are easy to lose control of, and hot flying pieces and pinch hazards are to be taken seriously. I use metal jar lids as magnet trays.
--do NOT grind, burn, etc. these NdBFe magnets! The dust is toxic and otherwise obnoxious, the fumes are toxic and smelly, etc.
--do not rely on adhesives! use structure to retain magnets against fields and forces.

Next, machining acrylic plastic and polycarbonate:
--Use WD-40 or clean kerosene (NOT GASOLINE OR PETROL!) as a cutting lubricant to keep drills, taps and other tooling cool and cutting well. Beware of alcohols--acrylic crazes and loses strength on exposure to alcohol--even the alcohol in a Sharpie marker will craze the acrylic over time, and cracks will occur. Wash the WD-40 off with dishsoap and warm water.
--plastic supply companies sell special drill bits with a sharper tip angle that won't crack or pull though the plastic. They are well worth the price.
--I usually use bottoming taps even when starting, in plastic, I rarely need the plug tap to start a tapped hole. The bottoming tap makes a better thread I think.

On perseverance:
--It took me literally days of spinning and experimenting before I had a hint that something interesting might be happening--the decreased rotor drag that I first noted before the holidays. After that, more days of trial and error and serendipitous mistakes before I even found the AGW rotation modes. By Accident! So don't get discouraged if nothing seems to work--you may not have the right components or something, or it's not put together right. Recall also that about half my magnet-bearing pairs are ineffective.
--I would guess that most people will get decreased drag and increased rundown times if they get the magnets right. But extended run times like I saw are probably a result of some EM interaction that's happening in my apartment and at work. For sure it isn't anything like OU.

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« Reply #851 on: January 15, 2008, 06:57:13 AM »
Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
1. RPM of rotor and RPM of stator when the system gets in "tune" and starts to accelerate.
2. A new video with good lighting and the bottom side of the rotor shown during operation as well as side views during operation.
3. A new video showing the rotor up to speed and staying there for a time limited only by the size of the video files Youtube will allow.
4. If possible the name and a way of contacting "OC" by phone so the replication project can be approached in a "normal" professional
matter. If you will notice, on Sterling Allen's site, people give their full names as is a practice in the scientific community. It would give this site more creditability with venture captialist's and the scientific community in general. If someone is worried about "big oil" finding out who they are, well it would only take them one phone call and one hour to find out where anyone on this list lives. You can do that when you have endless billions of dollars at your disposal. I also believe that not giving all infomation to the public and being the only one with that information puts a person or persons in a very dangerous position where "big oil" is concerned. The best way is to get the information out to millions and then there is nothing to be accomplished by going to the original inventor. In fact, it just draws more attention to the situation. The web is the achilles heel for the powers that be, so take advantage of it.
5. In closing, videos taken if different locations, parking lot, or with a number of people in attendance would get more people to attempt replication. The LaFonte group has always had a policy that if we get a self runner, anyone can come by and see it operating and to a degree examine it. I feel certain that main stream science is ready to accept us if we just conduct ourselfs the way all scientists do when they have a breakthrough. They publish papers with their real names on it after patents are filed if they are seeking a patent. If not they just publish them for open sourcing.
We are spending lots of money, time, and energy trying to replicate many different designs as well as our own designs. I feel it's time overunity research everywhere became more like Sterling Allen's site
with peoples real names and then they could be contacted by parties they would be interested in speaking with.
I short, I think our movement has some growing up to do, myself included. Lets stop hiding, come out in the open, be professional, real people, using real names and we will become accepted more by the world at large. This is scientific research, not a club house.
This is my personal opinion, I have not discussed this with any LaFonte Group members before posting this.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
 

Butch...Overconfident asked me to post this here in response

My response to #4 above:

I had an idea inspired by a dream. I have spent several months of my time just trying to get someone to consider the idea. Al is the only person who has. I do not have the education, knowledge, skills, or desire to develop this myself. I don't want money or fame, just someone to give some serious consideration to the idea I posted here. Talking with me would serve no purpose. I prefer to remain anonymous.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #852 on: January 15, 2008, 07:35:37 AM »
@Butch,

Never thought I would say this, I agree with you totally on these issues. People hiding in the shadows makes me feel..
well, distrustful. People should have the courage of their convictions, you know, it's still ok to be wrong. To err is human, etc etc..

Nuf Said

Dean

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« Reply #853 on: January 15, 2008, 07:43:58 AM »
Butch,

I volunteer to witness it when you get it working. I say "when" because I really have faith you and others will be able to replicate Al's work.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #854 on: January 15, 2008, 08:04:37 AM »
Butch,

I volunteer to witness it when you get it working. I say "when" because I really have faith you and others will be able to replicate Al's work.
An anonymous witness isn't much use is it.  :)