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hydrocontrol

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #645 on: January 13, 2008, 08:58:57 AM »
@ Omni

I am very keen to replicate but still cautious as to whether this is a joke of some kind. I will be a 2nd gen replicator for sure.
The design reminds me of a crop circle I saw once a long time ago. see: http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/predictions98.html
Its all very exciting though, cant wait to see how you go. Good Luck

Dean
Wow.. That is interesting... Got the below image from your link..

dean_mcgowan

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #646 on: January 13, 2008, 09:14:36 AM »
@Hydro,

I am not trying to detract from the science or to imply a metaphysic is involved, though the image did inspire me to create my own magnet motor designs. I am in russia now so not really sure where to go to get parts or machining done, might be something of a challenge. Cant wait for the green light from a serious replication though. Chomping at the bit here ;)

Cheers,

Dean

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #647 on: January 13, 2008, 09:44:20 AM »
I have looked at Al's and also my rotor and when running the stator and rotor the same direction they will lock up like I have show on the drawing.

When the stator and rotor magnets are at the closes to each other (like in drawing 1).

The magnet will be reduced in strength. Then in drawing 2, we should have divided it up in several shots, because so much is happening here. Fist we have a breaking effect. The stator and rotor are in attraction, but are moving away from each other. During this phase the magnets are increasing in strength and when we get to the position shown in picture 2 the stator magnets start to feel the next rotor magnet and we are getting a net pull or gain on the rotor. Now the magnets are recovering in strength and we are getting a stronger pull because the magnets are now stronger. In picture 3, the magnets are weakened again.


In situation 1 and 3 we have strong braking and acceleration, but the net transfer of power between the rotor and stator is close to zero.


My theory is that most of the gain or transfer of energy is in picture two because of this magnetic lag and change of magnetic strength on the magnets.


Where the magnets are getting the energy that are building up this strength in the magnet I do not know.


It would be interesting to simulate this in FEMM. Any takers?

If we look at the stator magnet and say it is rotating at 6000 rpm, to make the calculation easy. That will be 100 rev. per second or 36 degrees per millisecond. If the lag time is 1 millisecond, it will rotate 36 degrees before it fully recovers its strength and that is good. If we want to run at a much lower speed we should use magnets with longer lag time.

Svein

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #648 on: January 13, 2008, 10:53:06 AM »
Hi All,

Looking good so far! Omnibus, great to hear that you'll be ready to roll by Monday. As for everyone else, about when do you all expect to start preliminary testing?

In the meantime, I was thinking that it may be a good idea to put together a PDF with a listing of different experiments that we should all try. I've seen many people come up with lots of good ideas but perhaps it would be a good idea to come up with something like this before we all start testing (especially if we all manage to get it working). Then we will all have a set of standards to follow so we can compare data. If you are interested, just post your test ideas (old and new), and I'll see if I can compile a file for everyone.

Speaking of which, did Al ever see if he could get the motor to sync up with only one stator? Or did he always have to start it with three and then stop the first two?

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Jason,

Great minds think alike

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3906.0.html

dean_mcgowan

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #649 on: January 13, 2008, 11:09:52 AM »
@All

I am still not clear on whether the JDO specifications are exactly what Al has built or not ?
Can anyone clarify this, it seems a grey area, or did i miss a post regarding this?

Dean

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #650 on: January 13, 2008, 12:01:32 PM »
Dear Friends,
it seems the old rumour mill has started to grind, I got this from the web site of Magnetic Power Inc. Mark Goldes is always putting puff pieces on his site about how his machine is just around the corner. But does he really know something we don't know.

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A handful of videos that (briefly) appeared on the internet have stimulated a flurry of interest in magnetic motors that may be made to self-run, without any obvious outside source of input energy. At least one of them apparently worked well enough, for the 22 year old inventor to now be cooperating with a potential manufacturer, in order to market his device.  While skeptics abound (and without independent laboratory confirmation, have excellent reason to be skeptical) these experiments may have opened a door to wider appreciation of an extremely important potential for rapidly reducing our dependency on fossil fuels.


Deep regards

Yorkshire Miner

rotorhead

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #651 on: January 13, 2008, 12:11:11 PM »
Dear Friends,
it seems the old rumour mill has started to grind, I got this from the web site of Magnetic Power Inc. Mark Goldes is always putting puff pieces on his site about how his machine is just around the corner. But does he really know something we don't know.

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A handful of videos that (briefly) appeared on the internet have stimulated a flurry of interest in magnetic motors that may be made to self-run, without any obvious outside source of input energy. At least one of them apparently worked well enough, for the 22 year old inventor to now be cooperating with a potential manufacturer, in order to market his device.  While skeptics abound (and without independent laboratory confirmation, have excellent reason to be skeptical) these experiments may have opened a door to wider appreciation of an extremely important potential for rapidly reducing our dependency on fossil fuels.


Deep regards

Yorkshire Miner
If he's talking about WhipMag, he's got some of his facts wrong (as usual). If this is some other magnet motor, more power to the inventor. I hope he makes it.

FunkyJive

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #652 on: January 13, 2008, 12:39:54 PM »
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At least one of them apparently worked well enough, for the 22 year old inventor to now be cooperating with a potential manufacturer, in order to market his device. 


Hmmm... I guess that the marketed version would have to be considerably modified if prior art (as already plastered all over the forums and YouTube) is not to scupper plans to monopolise and capitalise on its marketed potential. Alternatively, there's the registered designs route, though plenty of scope I'm sure for all manner of incarnations of this very interesting device.

Probably a good time soon to experiment with suitable means of generating energy from the magnet motor and publicise them, particularly to stop anyone monopolising on such through patent channels. Doing so could then effectively deny anyone else the right to exploit the invention for all manner of potential good  ;)


All the best,

FunkyJive

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #653 on: January 13, 2008, 12:43:52 PM »
Dear Friends,
it seems the old rumour mill has started to grind, I got this from the web site of Magnetic Power Inc. Mark Goldes is always putting puff pieces on his site about how his machine is just around the corner. But does he really know something we don't know.

Quote:-
 
A handful of videos that (briefly) appeared on the Internet have stimulated a flurry of interest in magnetic motors that may be made to self-run, without any obvious outside source of input energy. At least one of them apparently worked well enough, for the 22 year old inventor to now be cooperating with a potential manufacturer, in order to market his device.  While skeptics abound (and without independent laboratory confirmation, have excellent reason to be skeptical) these experiments may have opened a door to wider appreciation of an extremely important potential for rapidly reducing our dependency on fossil fuels.


Deep regards

Yorkshire Miner

Al is a lot older than 22 and the last thing I can imagine him doing is co-operating with a manufacturer.
If it's true it must be someone else.

RunningBare

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #654 on: January 13, 2008, 12:48:45 PM »

Al is a lot older than 22 and the last thing I can imagine him doing is co-operating with a manufacturer.
If it's true it must be someone else.

Yeah, and the words "true" and "Magnetic power inc" do not go together well.

dean_mcgowan

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #655 on: January 13, 2008, 12:52:29 PM »
Al is a lot older than 22 and the last thing I can imagine him doing is co-operating with a manufacturer.
If it's true it must be someone else.

How old is OC ?

Maybe the author was not implying that it might be Al partnering with a manufacturer.

And even so, who would blame him in doing so ?

Dean

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #656 on: January 13, 2008, 12:59:03 PM »
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...and the last thing I can imagine him doing is co-operating with a manufacturer

I guess most men have their price, and as Dean said "Who could blame him?".

I am aware of good past ideas and inventions going the way of monopolisation and then market suppression, but fundamentally this certainly holds promise of a major discovery that should absolutely not be suppressed.


All the best,

FunkyJive

rotorhead

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #657 on: January 13, 2008, 01:11:21 PM »
Al is a lot older than 22 and the last thing I can imagine him doing is co-operating with a manufacturer.
If it's true it must be someone else.

How old is OC ?

Maybe the author was not implying that it might be Al partnering with a manufacturer.

And even so, who would blame him in doing so ?

Dean

OC is older than Al, and he has absolutely no plans to partner with anyone. The tech is free for the taking.

RunningBare

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #658 on: January 13, 2008, 01:12:06 PM »
Al is a lot older than 22 and the last thing I can imagine him doing is co-operating with a manufacturer.
If it's true it must be someone else.

How old is OC ?




Older than 22.

canam101

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #659 on: January 13, 2008, 01:33:13 PM »
Since the tech is free for the taking, anybody can cash in on it by being the first one to manufacture a toy or even something that does something useful.

It would be nice to think somebody is in fact doing this, since it would mean one person has replicated the device, but it's more likely typical Goldes rubbish.