Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube?? (Read 1333291 times)

Charlie_V · « **Reply #450 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:54:49 PM »

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able to reproduce the "Alsetalokin Effect"

I would hope that he would use his real name to define the effect. Using your internet ID seems lame haha.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #451 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Omnibus on January 11, 2008, 05:42:27 PM

Hi Sean,

I was just gonna tell you about using HDPE to be close to the original. Mine is HDPE, as Jason has it as well in his drawings. However, now that you have it why don't you try it with the plexiglass as well.

Will be trying it with exisiting Rotors and will cut a new HDPE, to try as well.

At first like many others I was hoping the weird effect that AL is seeing came from just the magnets interaction, but now it is surfacing of Static or something that is part of the effect and hence the materials become more important.
Hope we dun't have to make weird Tin Foil hats and where Reef Sandles as well hehe

Lakes · « **Reply #452 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:55:14 PM »

Quote from: MeggerMan on January 11, 2008, 05:23:17 PM

Hi Sean,
You are getting too good at making rotors. Cannot wait until you get your stator magnets!!!

What thickness of acrylic are you using for the rotor?
The reason I ask is that 20mm, even 15mm acrylic is relatively expensive, but 12mm is so much cheaper.
It looks like 10-12mm from the above photo.

Stator magnets: I did want to say this until I won the auction, but I managed to get some diametrically magnetised 12mm dia. x 6mm thick neodynium disk magnets from the UK, not rings, from ebay, hope to have them early next week.
I searched for:
Neodymium diam*

and found these with an alternative spelling:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Neodymium-Discs-Magnet-Diametrally-pack-10-12mmx6mm_W0QQitemZ310012745179QQihZ021QQcategoryZ80546QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Have you tried mounting a 12mm rod magnet (horizontal) on a bearing for the stator magnet and try this while you wait for your ring magnets?

Regards
Rob

No center hole for mounting?
I`ve not had any reply to my email from E-magnets, but I did get a prompt reply from http://www.monstermagnete.de, there is no import duty if you buy from them and live in the EU, but you will pay German VAT.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #453 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:59:13 PM »

Quote from: hydrocontrol

So where does polyethylene fall into the materials. Being in the States I was using this stuff
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=372450

I used a chopping board once for a mini Minalto experiement:

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamel/smallminat2.jpg)

Looks like it could be the same as HDPE , will compare the two when it arrives.

Omnibus · « **Reply #454 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:02:20 PM »

@CLaNZeR,

I don't believe for a minute that the effect is other than due to the magnetic interaction. The importance of the materials is solely regarding their mass which should provide the correct moment of inertia with regard to the magnetic interactions to observe the effect of acceleration we see in the video.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #455 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:04:02 PM »

Quote from: sterlinga

I stopped by his shop last night, and he showed me the clear plastic he will be cutting the rotor and base from, so one can see through it to see that there are no cheater devices attached anywhere. He got the $2,000 sheet of clear 1/2-inch plastic for just $250.

$2000

How big was that sheet for that much money?

Omnibus · « **Reply #456 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:09:19 PM »

@CLaNZeR,

Here in NYC a 13 x 13 in. 3/4" piece is almost $50.

RunningBare · « **Reply #457 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:09:23 PM »

I think the static electricity thing is stretching things a bit, not saying it's impossible, but I do not believe for a moment it has anything to do with keeping this device spinning, I think AL has found a way to turn static magnetic force into a dynamic force, I've a feeling(not very scientific I know) that eddy currents and Lenz law is at work here.

Omnibus · « **Reply #458 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:26:03 PM »

@RunningBare,

Static electricity is out of the question. How Eddy currents and Lentz law will contribute to have the disk accelerating and keeping the 3 hour spin at the higher velocity is a fairy tale as well. Prove me wrong. We already know what the reason for this behavior is, I've already provided a well-known analysis for that, and it was illustrated by the diagrams shown several pages back (page 29): http://www.geocities.com/deasyart/steorn/OC_sim_one_stator_a.JPG

mikestocks2006 · « **Reply #459 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:29:56 PM »

Quote from: sterlinga on January 11, 2008, 05:39:58 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Overconfident
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: I didn't ignore you

....
After this initial open sourcing phase of showing people exactly how to build one of these things, I would encourage those who are able to work on improvements which they can then patent and take to market. Doug will likely be one who will do that. I anticipate that Doug will also help us in the initial phase of characterizing what is going on: testing such things as magnet size, distance, position, etc.
...
> Sterling

Hi sterlinga,

Just curious, shouldn't this whole thing be open sourced and fully transparent all the way? None of the replications would be taking place if OC and Al were to keep their ideas and prototypes to themselves.
OC and AL led the way with fairly good transparency and open source spirit.

What would be the scope of patenting any further developments/improvements?

Thanks

ps: maybe a thread is needed to discuss opensourse vs patent? so not to take this too much of topic.

Craigy · « **Reply #460 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:33:40 PM »

a 8 mm sheet , 500 x 1000 is 30 euros here..

vipond50 · « **Reply #461 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:44:57 PM »

Quote from: mikestocks2006 on January 11, 2008, 06:29:56 PM

Quote from: sterlinga on January 11, 2008, 05:39:58 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: Sterling D. Allan
To: Overconfident
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: I didn't ignore you

....
After this initial open sourcing phase of showing people exactly how to build one of these things, I would encourage those who are able to work on improvements which they can then patent and take to market. Doug will likely be one who will do that. I anticipate that Doug will also help us in the initial phase of characterizing what is going on: testing such things as magnet size, distance, position, etc.
...
> Sterling

Hi sterlinga,

Just curious, shouldn't this whole thing be open sourced and fully transparent all the way? None of the replications would be taking place if OC and Al were to keep their ideas and prototypes to themselves.
OC and AL led the way with fairly good transparency and open source spirit.

What would be the scope of patenting any further developments/improvements?

Thanks

ps: maybe a thread is needed to discuss opensourse vs patent? so not to take this too much of topic.

Shit

(sorry) There's always some SOB that has to capitalizes on some one else's work. If this device obtains multiple reps then lookout the poo is going to hit the fan.
I thought it was open source

B.

MeggerMan · « **Reply #462 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:49:51 PM »

Hi Sean,
There is a place not far from me in Cannock where I can get sheets of plastics material over the counter, so saving on postage:
http://www.holbourne.co.uk/
They have a minimum order of 20GBP which is not a problem.
The website looks posh but when you get there, like most places its just a big tin warehouse with shelves full of sheets of materials.
They have a couple of big table saws to chop the stuff up with.

I will find out next week what price they can do HDPE for because I think its the postage that will spoil the good price.
Certainly directplasticonline looks to be cheaper than Holborne.
http://www.directplasticsonline.co.uk
[edit] Just checked the directplasticsonline website and the postage is only 5.95GBP for orders under 45GBP and free if its over so that will be hard to beat! [end of edit]

I don't know if you want to go halfs on some different materials?

Also I have some white chopping boards I bought from Tesco quite a while ago that could be used for the rotor. Not sure what material, but it has a very waxy feel to it when you drill into it.
The other materials I have are 10mm A4 sheet of natural nylon, 10mm A4 of ebonite (really expensive) its a sorted of baked hard rubber.
Ebonite stinks when you cut it and is used to make freshwater fishing reels and musical instrument mouth pieces as I remember.

Regards
Rob

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #463 on:** January 11, 2008, 06:56:20 PM »

Quote from: MeggerMan

I don't know if you want to go halfs on some different materials?

Hi Rob

Thanks for the kind offer, but I have already ordered a sheet of the HDPE as only ?22.00 for a 500*500 sheet and I will probably use it again for other projects.
I have a lot of left over different size polycarbonate and Plexiglass from the various projects over time that I have played with, not to mention magnets and bearings LOL.
I would hate too add it all up, I would probably have a heart attack at the money wasted chasing this FE stuff.

Cheers

Sean.

mikestocks2006 · « **Reply #464 on:** January 11, 2008, 07:13:28 PM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on January 11, 2008, 05:54:53 PM

Quote from: Omnibus on January 11, 2008, 05:42:27 PM
Hi Sean,

I was just gonna tell you about using HDPE to be close to the original. Mine is HDPE, as Jason has it as well in his drawings. However, now that you have it why don't you try it with the plexiglass as well.

Will be trying it with exisiting Rotors and will cut a new HDPE, to try as well.

At first like many others I was hoping the weird effect that AL is seeing came from just the magnets interaction, but now it is surfacing of Static or something that is part of the effect and hence the materials become more important.
Hope we dun't have to make weird Tin Foil hats and where Reef Sandles as well hehe

Hi CLaNZeR, other replicators:
May I suggest to anneal HDPE prior final machining to relieve any bulk manufacturing induced residual stresses, (surface cooling gradients, non uniform crystallizations etc) by getting it up to 85-90 deg C for about 30 min to 1 hour (immerse in water etc) and slow cool.

For UHMW it takes somewhat higher temperatures over 100 deg C to 150 C and again slow cooling etc.

This should enable to achieve better dimensional stability and accuracy, especially if any temperature cycling tests are be performed in the future.

I hope this helps
Thanks

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