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Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??  (Read 1329048 times)

rotorhead

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #420 on: January 11, 2008, 03:10:27 AM »
But if you want to find more, just ask Omnibus politely to show you where is the CoE violation for SMOT ?proved beyond any doubt?. And you?ll see and understand for yourself.
And please do it in the appropriate thread.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #421 on: January 11, 2008, 03:30:57 AM »
Omnibus,
Read my post more carefully. I was saying that you are not a zealot or Pharisee. I have seen you get continuously attacked so the defensive attitude is forgivable.

Omnibus is not being attacked.
He just pretends to have a proof that he simply hasn?t. What he does have is a limited understanding of SMOT and a huge ego. But little science indeed. I?d guess his skills are somewhere around to those of a high-school teacher but not a brilliant one. I?d be curious to know about his real credentials?

Anyway, the story is long and this issue is off-topic here. But if you want to find more, just ask Omnibus politely to show you where is the CoE violation for SMOT ?proved beyond any doubt?. And you?ll see and understand for yourself.

Cheers everyone and sorry for deviating from the topic.
Tinu


@tinu, cut it out. Al least learn some physics before going around spewing crap. Get out of this thread. People here are trying to replicate something and not put up with your incoherent ramblings.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #422 on: January 11, 2008, 03:41:00 AM »
@btentzer,

What is great about such ramblings:

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Of course I do not have any data at all past about 3 1/2 hours, and I expect it to be able to run for about 1 day 15 hours, or 39 (say 40) hours, thanks to the math models that have been worked out, and based on my conjecture that there may be as much as 17000 Joules available for momentum change, per run.

Nothing. What momentum change? What 17000 Joules? What math models and conjecture?  Didn?t he just say:

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Every time I have actually seen it stop, it does so by the "dropping out" of the spinning stator. It seems to run at an almost constant rpm until that happens

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But I can say that the slow linear decay to zero rpm, isn't the way it seems to behave.

This clearly shows that energy is being generated out of no source if what he says in the above two quotes is true.

This person should stick to the technical issues and try to convince us that what we see in the video is real rather than trying to shove down our throats his cowardice in the form of completely ridiculous ?models? and bogus ?conjectures?.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #423 on: January 11, 2008, 03:42:19 AM »
@tinu, cut it out. Al least learn some physics before going around spewing crap. Get out of this thread. People here are trying to replicate something and not put up with your incoherent ramblings.
Of all people to have here as the thread monitor.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #424 on: January 11, 2008, 03:42:23 AM »
@ Jason

Take a look at the bottom shot of this OC sim posted from Al's thread.  Al was commenting on the bottom negative spike.  Does that look to you what I think?  Remember that post of yours along time ago, about the exact same looking negative spike? 

Perhaps I am seeing things?   ???

LOL

Let me know what you think.  It is intriguing.

http://www.geocities.com/deasyart/steorn/OC_sim_one_stator_a.JPG

Cheers,
Bruce 

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #425 on: January 11, 2008, 03:51:41 AM »
@btentzer,

That's pretty interesting. This is exactly how I imagined @xpenzif's motor would work. Difficult to achieve proper timing, though with the latter motor to have every following station (rotor magnet in this case) in a proper position with respect to the stator, not only to overcome the back drag but also to add some extra energy compared to the previous station. @alsetalonkin has achieved it and I hope we'll achieve it too. It may be that the particular design @alsetalonkin has found out by chance makes this timing issue less of a problem and the device more practical too (more efficiently utilizing said possibility for extra energy at every new magnet).

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #426 on: January 11, 2008, 05:07:24 AM »
Way to COOL ..OK i'm building hehehe , need a break from the Testanika machine anyway  ;D

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #427 on: January 11, 2008, 05:41:54 AM »
Hello fellow seekers,

I have followed these developments with detached interest but would like to point something out that might not be obvious and it is definitely incorrect in the drawings made by JDO300. Please see the attached images for reference to my writing below.

The letters A, B and C in the images are not equidistant from the center of the rotor, thus the radius as presented in the Drawings.pdf is incorrect. The radius varies and thus creates and ellipse instead of a circle.

I would like to comment on the ellipse now because I feel that the importance of the geometry as a factor is disregarded while in turn it is the most important part of existence and everything in the Universe. When I say geometry I mean non-euclidean hyperbolic geometry, the "organic", geometry of life.

In my humble opinion, in order for this device to work (by mimic-ing nature), or any device for that matter regardless of magnetic, electric, or other forces, it has to be based on vortex, spiraling, hyperbolic geometry. Furthermore, the motion *has*  to be centripetal, imploding (as per Viktor Schauberger) and not centrifugal, exploding one.

In this case the rotor has to virtually spiral downwards, as if it was falling into the vortex created by the motion forward, and thus the equidistant circle arrangement of pegs holding the stator magnets and dampeners is not correct and will not yield desired results. If you exhibit the the attached images you can observe that I have outlined in RED the circle of the stator and marked A, B and C. The distances are not the same between the rotor and the A, B and C points, to me it definitely does not look like a play of shadow, foreshortening of the perspective or anything like that because it's a fairly clear photo.

I would also like to draw attention to point D which I have outlined as a reference point for orientation. The author of the device had failed to mark one side a virtual "north" and so we have to look at some mark (in this case the notch in the rubber leg edge) for reference because of what I said above regarding the geometry, that the orientation of stators and dampeners is elliptical and thus orientation of the entire assembly makes a difference when looking at the photo.

To make matters more complicated the author of the photos had rotated the assembly several times to make it easy for him to make measurements of stators and so when you are looking at each photo you have to know where's "virtual" north in the picture/assembly.

With all above in mind I think it might be useful to go back into author's video and re-trace these points while marking the virtual "north" orientation, for better understanding of the "falling down" into the vortex effect.

I apologize if this was obvious to some (or most people) in which case I beg your pardon for bringing this "non-sense" to your attention. I just felt it would've been (the most) important factor when replicating and troubleshooting operation of this device.

Thanks.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #428 on: January 11, 2008, 05:43:22 AM »
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This clearly shows that energy is being generated out of no source if what he says in the above two quotes is true.

No source. Not true. We are all sitting on a Electric Dynamo called planet Earth. We spin to the east at over a 1000 mph while the molten core spins at a lesser speed. The massive magentic field generated protects us from a lot of harm while at the same time can easily be detected with a simple compass from anywhere on the planet. This magnet motor that is trying to be reproduced could just as easily be tapping and syncing with the Earth's field to run. The magnetic field of the Earth is clearly a viable source of coupling power for this motor to run.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #429 on: January 11, 2008, 05:49:26 AM »
@amigo,

The pictures you've shown don't seem to be from the same motor shown in the video or maybe they just show the motor more clearly and it appears different. The stators are fewer in the video, if nothing else.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #430 on: January 11, 2008, 05:54:14 AM »
@hydrocontrol,

And how does this coupling happen exactly?

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #431 on: January 11, 2008, 06:52:18 AM »
@pinoyz, today I reposted on the Steorn forum your suggestion (page 23 above) that the florescent lighting transformer may be providing energy to the rotor:
 http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=27#Item_32

Alsetalokin answered two posts below that, here:
 http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=27#Item_34

It appears he does not think the light's transformer has a significant effect; it also appears he approves of what Harvey (the "rabbit") had to say about it, which is quoted in my post.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #432 on: January 11, 2008, 07:35:51 AM »
@pinoyz, today I reposted on the Steorn forum your suggestion (page 23 above) that the florescent lighting transformer may be providing energy to the rotor:
 http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=27#Item_32

Alsetalokin answered two posts below that, here:
 http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59687&page=27#Item_34

It appears he does not think the light's transformer has a significant effect; it also appears he approves of what Harvey (the "rabbit") had to say about it, which is quoted in my post.


Thanks for the answer..
All we need now its to wait for the replicator to finish.....goodluck all

dean_mcgowan

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #433 on: January 11, 2008, 11:27:12 AM »

I have been watching the steorn forum threads, and I am seriously surprised that there is not the slightest comment from Sean and Co. I would have thought they would be encouraging the efforts being made .. or maybe they don't like the competition ?

Cheers,

Dean

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #434 on: January 11, 2008, 01:35:21 PM »
Actually, there was a comment :
"Yep I saw it, seems pretty cool. Go ahead and test the hell out of it, from the chat that I have seen it looks like the guys know what they are doing on that front."