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Omnibus

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #405 on: January 11, 2008, 01:03:47 AM »
@Omnibus

After the motor stop, do you tray to restart it ? Is it restarted ?
Discontinuous!? Start/stop!? This is beginning to sound familiar, and it's freaking me out! :o
Why? Aside from SMOT what else can do that? If you think that's nothing I'll give you a $10  bill in exchange for a $20 bill you'll hand me. And I'd like to do it more than once. Deal?
Erm, Omnibus, I like you, and I agree with you. If I thought this was nothing I would not be freaking out.
Store up some of the energy from the 3 hr. run to start the process over.

Would something like this be scalable?

If Al and OC never thought a free lunch was possible why would they waste their time? Sounds suspicious.
Not so much @overconfident. He's one of those many putting forth ideas. What was done, however, is not what was proposed anyway but is a result of a fortuitous error which lead to success. What puzzles me is the behavior of @alsetalonkin. In his words he undertook this to prove @overconfident ,who was pushing too much his idea, isn't right.  Everybody else on that forum was telling him that. And probably he isn't right because, as it turned out, the effect was due to a mistake having nothing to do with the original idea. And now that @alsetalonkin suddenly found this effect it got him scared to no end and he is going out of his way to prove it isn't what we see in the video, siding even with his obvious enemies alleging fraud and nut cases for that purpose. He made it quite clear that it's much more important to keep his job and not anger his boss than to be connected with anything science denies at this time. History teaches us that a true researcher must have a backbone. That's not easy and requires special qualities.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #406 on: January 11, 2008, 01:23:21 AM »
Omnibus said "@alsetalonkin suddenly found this effect it got him scared "

If this were true I would not blame him, I've been hanging around these boards and the boards that dispute the idea of free energy, trust me when I say "some" of you scare the crap out of me, zealots on both sides!

But I will agree as I've already said on the steorn forum that alsetalokin is under selling his discovery, but thats non of our business, the replicators hopefully will be able to at least validate the video, my own replication is held up presently because I've not found a method for mounting the stator yet, rotor is complete.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #407 on: January 11, 2008, 01:33:51 AM »
Another Update from me :)

Two pictures below showing the Dampners that I lathed down to 12.7mm * 6.4 depth.

The second pictures show the positions of all 3 of the Stator Magnets now. Will need to replace the Polycarbonate dummy's for the real; stator magnets when they arrive.

I will adjust the height of the Dampners and the Rotor to suit the Stator magnets when ready to go!

Have started milling out second Rotor to fit the 5mm Rod Magnets I have coming, but also thx to Craigy I now have some 6mm Rod Magnets on there way :). So plenty to play with hopefully.

Cheers

Sean.


According to my experience; One solid magnet has different pole characteristic over the combining some segment magnet together.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #408 on: January 11, 2008, 01:35:32 AM »
From the Steorn forum this evening, for those building already...

"...But I do not recommend using polycarbonate (Lexan )for any part of the machine--it's in the wrong place on the triboelectric series, if one of my theories is correct.

Nor do I recommend acrylic plastic (Lucite, Plexiglas, Perspex?) for the rotor, if the base is acrylic. Different materials should probably be used. I used HDPE which at the opposite end of the plastic tribo series from acrylic."


It would be interesting if this turns out to be some kind of electro-static device.


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #409 on: January 11, 2008, 01:44:20 AM »
I ordered my bearings today.  I chose the flanged ones for the center rotor.  A tad more expensive but probably will be worth it.  Add a few drops of oil and they are good to 48,000 rpm's.  I was already speaking with the bearing guy about future upgrades, and once the unit is actually up and running, we hope to replace all of the bearings, first thing, with precision bearings.  Rated rpm's about 100,000.  It simply means less friction. 

But we want to use the same type of everything to start with.  Get it running first, before changing anything!  ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

Bruce
Thanks for putting that post relating to the R3 bearings. I called and spoke to Mike (Nice Gentleman) and ordered the bearings. At the time he had not acquired any info relating to the Flange bearings, so went with the un-flange.
Man i have never waited on parts for a project like this one, Karma ?
I will be ordering again from that company (Mike).

Anyway thanks again
Bill  ;D

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #410 on: January 11, 2008, 01:45:01 AM »
Omnibus said "@alsetalonkin suddenly found this effect it got him scared "

If this were true I would not blame him, I've been hanging around these boards and the boards that dispute the idea of free energy, trust me when I say "some" of you scare the crap out of me, zealots on both sides!

But I will agree as I've already said on the steorn forum that alsetalokin is under selling his discovery, but thats non of our business, the replicators hopefully will be able to at least validate the video, my own replication is held up presently because I've not found a method for mounting the stator yet, rotor is complete.
What makes Omnibus a Zealot? This appears to be free energy. Anyone who would be upset to find out that it is "free energy", has real issues.

Omnibus

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #411 on: January 11, 2008, 01:52:26 AM »
@g4macdad,

That's a wrong perception you have. I'm no zealot at all. My insistence that we're dealing with energy from nothing stems from a scientifically rigorous analysis I've already made and this keeps my interest in this field. What do you want me to do, have the undeniable proof that CoE can be violated and not consider it and behave as if it doesn't exist? Now, that would be the behavior of a real zealot. Just like @alsetalonkin--he found this effect, showed it to us and now can't stand himself that he ever did that, siding with his bitterest enemies, accusing him of fraud and cursing at him. That's really bizarre.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #412 on: January 11, 2008, 01:59:43 AM »
@g4macdad,

That's a wrong perception you have. I'm no zealot at all. My insistence that we're dealing with energy from nothing stems from a scientifically rigorous analysis I've already made and this keeps my interest in this field. What do you want me to do, have the undeniable proof that CoE can be violated and not consider it and behave as if it doesn't exist? Now, that would be the behavior of a real zealot. Just like @alsetalonkin--he found this effect, showed it to us and now can't stand himself that he ever did that, siding with his bitterest enemies, accusing him of fraud and cursing at him. That's really bizarre.
Omnibus,
Read my post more carefully. I was saying that you are not a zealot or Pharisee. I have seen you get continuously attacked so the defensive attitude is forgivable.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #413 on: January 11, 2008, 02:00:17 AM »
@RunningBare,

I didn't catch how you mounted the rotor? Proper mounting of the stators as in the original is also still to be understood.I'm not too concerned with the dampers so far but who knows ...

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #414 on: January 11, 2008, 02:02:16 AM »
@ken_nyus,

Suppose it works the same way in a Faraday cage. What kind of a trivial electrostatic device, yet turning, can it be?

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #415 on: January 11, 2008, 02:02:59 AM »
What makes Omnibus a Zealot? This appears to be free energy. Anyone who would be upset to find out that it is "free energy", has real issues.

Errr, I dont remember calling omnibus a zealot, obsessive maybe but not a zealot, anyway I've said too much off topic already, back to the OCAL.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #416 on: January 11, 2008, 02:04:41 AM »
@g4macdad,

Indeed. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Well, hope you can understand why ...

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #417 on: January 11, 2008, 02:20:08 AM »
I ordered my bearings today.  I chose the flanged ones for the center rotor.  A tad more expensive but probably will be worth it.  Add a few drops of oil and they are good to 48,000 rpm's.  I was already speaking with the bearing guy about future upgrades, and once the unit is actually up and running, we hope to replace all of the bearings, first thing, with precision bearings.  Rated rpm's about 100,000.  It simply means less friction. 

But we want to use the same type of everything to start with.  Get it running first, before changing anything!  ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

Bruce
Thanks for putting that post relating to the R3 bearings. I called and spoke to Mike (Nice Gentleman) and ordered the bearings. At the time he had not acquired any info relating to the Flange bearings, so went with the un-flange.
Man i have never waited on parts for a project like this one, Karma ?
I will be ordering again from that company (Mike).

Anyway thanks again
Bill  ;D

Your welcome Bill.  The flanged bearings for the rotor stator only cost about an additional $1.00 each.

My thinking on this, is that it is of importance enough, for me to spend $17.00 USD for new, good bearings.

I also want to make sure that the base, rotor, and magnet stator holders are made out of the exact same material that Al used.  Now, if Clanzer's motor works, and he has used, identical (or so it appears) material for base and rotor, then that will alleviate some static electricity theories.  I just want to take no chance.  If it does work by producing it's own static electricity, it makes no difference to me, because IT WORKS.  LOL

I for one, wonder if he discovered the "Steorn Effect", or something solely new.  It will be interesting to see.  It will also be interesting to see the faces of folks looking at this thing spin without power.  Especially at the University where I work.   ;D ;D 

@ Omnibus
I did not bother to price the precision bearings, but they will not be very expensive.  The bearings are small.  (For Now!!   :D )

EDIT:
I found this great post by Al, from yesterday.  Lots of info and details.

"Every time I have actually seen it stop, it does so by the "dropping out" of the spinning stator. It seems to run at an almost constant rpm until that happens. Spontaneously? Due to some perturbation? They turn off the Jacuzzi upstairs? I don't know.
But I can say that the slow linear decay to zero rpm, isn't the way it seems to behave. Of course I do not have any data at all past about 3 1/2 hours, and I expect it to be able to run for about 1 day 15 hours, or 39 (say 40) hours, thanks to the math models that have been worked out, and based on my conjecture that there may be as much as 17000 Joules available for momentum change, per run.

As for the acceleration when I stop the 2 "idler" stators: I feel certain that this is due to the reduction in drag. It takes energy to rotate each part of the unit, clearly. When the stators are stopped, the energy that was expended in keeping them rotating is now available to the rotor, and it speeds up until again, the power output is equal to all drag and friction sources."

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #418 on: January 11, 2008, 02:39:50 AM »
@btentzer

Yes I totally concur, for the small change involved for this project, why go with used Stuff? I also am repilcating as EXACTLY or as close to Al"s device as I possibly can. When and IF I get the device to motorize I will be headed off to the University Physics lab to run more tests. There I have the nessecary equipment to hopefully obtain the true nature of the operation of the device. But first things first  :D
At this point i do have my ideas on how and why the device is operating, but I will not elaborate until i have data to back it up.
Did Mike have an Idea when he would have the info on the SS bearings?
Rambling
Thx
Bill

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #419 on: January 11, 2008, 02:47:24 AM »
Omnibus,
Read my post more carefully. I was saying that you are not a zealot or Pharisee. I have seen you get continuously attacked so the defensive attitude is forgivable.

Omnibus is not being attacked.
He just pretends to have a proof that he simply hasn?t. What he does have is a limited understanding of SMOT and a huge ego. But little science indeed. I?d guess his skills are somewhere around to those of a high-school teacher but not a brilliant one. I?d be curious to know about his real credentials?

Anyway, the story is long and this issue is off-topic here. But if you want to find more, just ask Omnibus politely to show you where is the CoE violation for SMOT ?proved beyond any doubt?. And you?ll see and understand for yourself.

Cheers everyone and sorry for deviating from the topic.
Tinu