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Prophmaji

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #360 on: January 10, 2008, 03:19:52 PM »
Hi Al,

Is this in effect a protracted smot ramp? basically climbing until it reaches equilibrium? That would explain the acceleration and many other attributes displayed. If you will... imagine a ball moving up a smot ramp with a harness pulling a cog that is turning a gear that rotates the wheel. I may be wrong in so many ways but it just came to mind and I thought I might ask.

Cheers,

Dean


to me, (I've no idea what a smot is) it appears to be a difference in angular velocity, momentum, inertia, etc, with respects to the differences between the smaller mass of the main rotor's magnetic field versus the larger field mass of the smaller magnet-all of that tied to the AC values and their interaction with one another.

I also suspect a slow ramp up to equilibrium. Then it halts.

Then start it again, if the magnets have survived.

I know that what sterling published on his website, that I sent him - seems to contradict the above, but it does not. The two are the same, but with this component mentioned here-left out.

This very consideration was and is one of the main reasons to design and utilize a 'dyno pit'.

Dyno pits are for testing Dyno motors..for runaway acceleration. Which..when the field considerations of the motor are laid out  for maximum efficiency, exactly this situation in the video can happen. And up to and over 100k rpm..as the motor explodes. Violently.

In the case of the given video here, the frictive losses and overall design create a 'slow ramp' situation up to a limit imposed by said losses.

Jut my two cents, only part may be true.

The vortextral balancing act of what an atomic structure is, ie, Oscillating 2-D planar field interactions of 'vortex in-vortex out'..to create the 3-D universe of the given resultant vectors and all the components of this 'world'.....this balanced dual vortex, in equilibrium, requires brute force and/or resonance to break it (gyroscopic equilibrium), but localized attempts at bleeding energy off the 2-d field interaction balancing act, may not be all that fruitful, unless this vortex consideration is understood and taken into account. The vortexes in balance are fed from outside their localized areas, as they exist due to Oscillating 2-D planar field interaction. Which is why it is difficult to get them off balance and why the energy levels observed are so high (how much is released, or how much required to break) when they are cracked into being off balance.

If one fully analyzes all known phenomena, of any kind -real or suspected-  they all fit the Oscillating 2-D planar field model. Up to and including all aspects of multi-dimensionality and all observed psychic phenomena. Do not ignore these two little paragraphs written here. :)
« Last Edit: January 10, 2008, 03:55:10 PM by Prophmaji »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #361 on: January 10, 2008, 03:21:28 PM »
@ebswift,

Don?t plague the thread with your lies. I was the one to leave as seen here: http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60135&page=1#Item_4 .Obviously, it couldn?t have been possible to post that if I were banned. Also, read carefully who attacked who and who was really calling names. Follow the link @oak and I posted in that Steorn thread. What nerve.

You plague the thread also with stupid suppositions such as this: ?[that I will] claim that [my] theories were right and [I am] vindicated and it couldn't have happened without [me].? While I will always claim that I have already definitively shown through a rigorous argument that CoE can be violated through discontinuous production of excess energy (energy out of nothing) it is really ugly and impudent to suggest that I will claim that constructing a device producing excess energy continuously couldn?t have happened without me. Restrain yourself from such presumptuous statements. Only a fool can suggest what you?ve written.

I would not have posted this if I were not provoked by the above ominous lies and innuendo.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #362 on: January 10, 2008, 03:39:57 PM »
@xume,

To be skeptical when seeing such a demo is one thing but to suggest that hidden small DC motor is the cause for what?s observed is suugesting outright fraud. The best, I think, is to approach this unassuming and do what most of us are trying to do here?replicate the device and see for ourselves whether or not we?ll observe the acceleration demonstrated in the video..

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #363 on: January 10, 2008, 04:07:08 PM »
More people trying to disuade us from building a potential operating device. Seems to be a trend when we start to get close to something.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #364 on: January 10, 2008, 04:20:58 PM »
@oak,

That's my impression too. My guess is this has been some kind of a serendipitous coincidence of circumstances plus the error he inadvertently made to turn one of the stators in the "wrong" direction. If the effect (OU) he presents in the video is confirmed this "error" leading to success will remain as one more curiosity in the history of technology. Hope replications run easier this time than what we know usually happens. I will never forget how Torbay couldn't reproduce and couldn't demonstrate his own motor to work when he came to New York. Prior to that I had the assurances of a high Argentinean official whose office has been funding the project that he has seen it work for a long time (months). Recall the most recent replication that went awry--that of @xpenzif. These are very tricky contraptions whereby it's very hard to avoid minute flaws in timing or weights and proportions crucial for them to run as OU. Most of the time the constructors aren't open enough (and even not at all) and thus hurt their cause big time--think of Steorn, Perendev, Lego etc. and the latest, @xpenzif, who didn't even bother to instruct the people trying to replicate it that the cylinder must have 14 diagonal rows and must be placed on an 8-barrier stepper motor.

@ Omnibus
Not to change the topic here but have a question about xpenzif motor. I am confused by what you said here and could if possible draw out something. I did spent allot of time on this and even made a flat track and could not find how this was possible. The flat track did work at some sort but only with helper magnets, this stepper motor thing, was it used to offset the timing on upper rotor.


Back on topic with mine test last night and did not run as is. One note is the mass or weight of rotor is important for the start up. So I recommend not to use light weight rotor. I will re cut mine today I hope. I think Dusty has the best chance right now. More later

Wayne

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #365 on: January 10, 2008, 04:34:43 PM »
@magpower,

I'm still very much interested in @xpenzif motor but I'm afraid extensive discussion on that would distract us from the current effort. Nevertheless, let me ask you, did you try it with an 8-barrier stepper motor and 14 diagonal rows on the cylinder? It appears that the fact that for each distance between two barriers of the motor there are 1.75 distances between the maximums of the cylinder is of importance. I really wish this can be modeled through finite element method to get a clearer understanding of the correct geometries. I don't know whether code for such simulation exists and one has to sit down and write it himself. Hope we'll talk more about @xpenzif's device a bit later.

As for @alsetalonkin's device it was mentioned more than once that exact weight of the rotor, magnet strength, exact geometries may turn to be crucial factors, as is usual in such replications, so we have to try to be as close to the original as possible if the replication is to be successful.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #366 on: January 10, 2008, 04:48:10 PM »
And if Electro-static forces are coming into play, even the choice of delrin/nylon, will be important.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #367 on: January 10, 2008, 04:54:33 PM »
@magpower,

I'm still very much interested in @xpenzif motor but I'm afraid extensive discussion on that would distract us from the current effort. Nevertheless, let me ask you, did you try it with an 8-barrier stepper motor and 14 diagonal rows on the cylinder? It appears that the fact that for each distance between two barriers of the motor there are 1.75 distances between the maximums of the cylinder is of importance. I really wish this can be modeled through finite element method to get a clearer understanding of the correct geometries. I don't know whether code for such simulation exists and one has to sit down and write it himself. Hope we'll talk more about @xpenzif's device a bit later.

As for @alsetalonkin's device it was mentioned more than once that exact weight of the rotor, magnet strength, exact geometries may turn to be crucial factors, as is usual in such replications, so we have to try to be as close to the original as possible if the replication is to be successful.

@ Omnibus
From memory I think I used 14 diag rows on main cylinder, but no stepper motor, just a free wheel hub. I guess I don't know what is a 8- barrier stepper motor, never heard of this before, but we should not talk on this board topic and can send me a message or talk later, might not matter if this OC motor works out.

Thks
Wayne

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #368 on: January 10, 2008, 05:29:05 PM »
i am modeling this assembly in cad.  What I am a little confused about is how he fastens everything down.  Especially the rotating magnets on the outside.  I was thinking a turned down shaft and a snap ring on top to keep it from slipping off.  What is the shaft made of?  Brass or SS?  Also, what is that red disk on top of the rotor?  Does it have any significance?  There are some details here that haven't been figured out.

SeanB

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #369 on: January 10, 2008, 05:38:36 PM »
the red disk is a plastic type pulley, he called it a 'Friction testing pulley' poss to simulate a load on the spindle once connected to something.

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« Reply #370 on: January 10, 2008, 05:50:49 PM »
Another Update from me :)

Two pictures below showing the Dampners that I lathed down to 12.7mm * 6.4 depth.

The second pictures show the positions of all 3 of the Stator Magnets now. Will need to replace the Polycarbonate dummy's for the real; stator magnets when they arrive.

I will adjust the height of the Dampners and the Rotor to suit the Stator magnets when ready to go!

Have started milling out second Rotor to fit the 5mm Rod Magnets I have coming, but also thx to Craigy I now have some 6mm Rod Magnets on there way :). So plenty to play with hopefully.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/damp1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/damp2.jpg)

Cheers

Sean.


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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #371 on: January 10, 2008, 05:50:59 PM »
Ok, I'm going to post it again, virtually all the information needed is here http://www.ospmm.com/whipmag/


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« Reply #372 on: January 10, 2008, 05:52:31 PM »
@Clanzer

Your work is fantastic, I envy you, I wish I had your resources, I look forward to your results.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #373 on: January 10, 2008, 05:57:24 PM »
@Clanzer

Your work is fantastic, I envy you, I wish I had your resources, I look forward to your results.

Thx RunningBare.

Well a few years ago I had a choice, spend all me heard earned money on Booze and holidays, or start kitting out me little workshop LOL

I am glad I went for the Latter!!!

Must admit not had a holiday for a few years though hehe

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #374 on: January 10, 2008, 05:57:24 PM »
@CLaNZeR,

You may have said it already but I've missed it, did you try measuring the rpm when spinning it by hand and what's the wind down time with and without the magnets?