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TheOne

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2008, 05:54:07 PM »
Okay update from me.

First thing is I do not get involved in bickering or disputes, I am here to replicate and have some fun, so please try and keep the thread on course as such  ;D

Right first thing now the base was finished was to get the RC 3mm Internal Diameter Bearings fitted and the lathe down a Brass shaft.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc1.jpg)

As you can see the height is 30mm and the Brass shaft fits perfect.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc2.jpg)

Here is the finished Rotor by the way!

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc3.jpg)

Next is to Press Fit the Brass Shaft into the Rotor, I used a Drill Press stand to achieve this.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc4.jpg)

Finally Pop the Rotor into the bearings and screw it up.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc5.jpg)

Really please with this Rig as really loose using the 3mm RC bearings.

Now I have just got to wait for the magnets to arrive. I have some 1/4 *1/4 *1/4 Cubes knocking around but not enough, so have ordered some of these as well.

That's my progress report so far, more when the magnets arrive :)

Have also now updated my site over at http://www.overunity.org.uk

Cheers

Sean.

Nice job! I want a CNC Machine now!! :)

Mine is coming along, quite less complicated then your and quite not precise lol, my rotor is not perfect.... anyway

Hopefully I will able to show my motor running today with my existing magnet (bigger then the one suggested and the stator magnet using sphere magnet)

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #91 on: January 06, 2008, 06:43:00 PM »
I had to build one too :)

Some images attached, and a video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7040941048043834176&hl=en

Well, please advice me on how it is supposed to work ;)

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #92 on: January 06, 2008, 07:06:49 PM »
In the youtube-movie he mentions "magno kinetic judson dampers", what is that supposed to mean ?

Why does he have 3 rotating magnets to begin with since the motor obviously runs better with only one ?

Tomorrow i will buy a smaller bearing so I can move the rotating magnet closer to the rotor.

FunkyJive

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2008, 07:37:46 PM »
What a fantastic thought-provoking thread, and a brilliant invention - irrespective of what it may prove or disprove.

I would be very interested to know if degaussing takes place after a period of operation. I've read that the unit will slow after some hours (presumably eventually stopping), and also read that after stopping the unit can be re-started again in the conventional manner. Some have suggested the possibility of core saturation, requiring a period of relaxation, though with no energy required for any such change to take place then would not detract from the very interesting questions this device throws up.

If there's any notable source of energy to explain the rotation of this motor then it must  surely be contained within the flux of the magnets. In other words, a sort of reversal of the means by which the magnets are created in the first place - i.e. enclosure by an energising coil with a high-capacity discharge through the coil to induce a polarising field to the magnet. For myself, clarification on this point alone would establish whether this motor is arguably exhibiting Over-Unity as far as we might appreciate, and absolutely right that experimenters here remain cautious and thoroughly objective before making any such claims of attaining the "holy grail". This is one aspect that inspired me to sign up to this forum  :)

Now if  this were the case, how could this be allowed  to violate modern scientific understanding and the "Laws of Physics" that suggest that energy can neither be created   or destroyed? I can't help but ponder the possible shift in the time element as potentially the missing component that might one day prove to be the missing link to the Power = Rate of Change  in respect of energy conversion - considered in real-time.

A simple hypothesis to time and relativity is to imagine staring at a large clock, say... on the town-hall wall, with the second hand ticking by. All people staring at the clock would appreciate the seconds ticking by at the same rate - in other words everyone is sharing the same time-space. The ticking of the big clock would also be in synchronicity with the watch on your wrist as much as any other watch.

Now, hop in your imaginary rocket ship and accelerate away from the clock, eventually attaining the speed of light. You look down at the watch on your wrist and.. yup... it's still ticking away at one second intervals just as before, BUT gazing back at that big clock on the wall (through your imaginary super-high strength binoculars that correct for doppler shift   :D) reveals that everyone and everything is stood still, and the big clock is no longer ticking. Why? Because you are travelling at the speed of light away from the clock you are in a different time-space, as the image light that you see reflected from the big clock cannot catch up with you and overtake. Nevertheless, all those observing the big clock on the ground continue to move around and observe the passing of time exactly as before, even though to you they look stationary. In other words, they are in a different time space.

Now, should you decelerate your ship to half of the speed of light, then by the same token the big clock on the town-hall wall would appear to be ticking at half-pace, and therein lies the linear relationship of speed of light and time-space.

Without thinking any deeper at this stage (little point for this discussion if OU proves to be unattainable), but might relative time domain and deflection of rotating magnetic fields (which are themselves appreciable as a moving-mass) prove to be the missing ingredient to conventional energy-related equations?

Just maybe, ...I guess  :-\


Best wishes - particularly to all the pioneering experimenters here,

FunkyJive

TheOne

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #94 on: January 06, 2008, 07:41:04 PM »
Ok here my first pic, its only the rotor

I use 6 magnets since they are too big so I cannot put 8 magnets on a small wheel like that. I also use a skater bearing.

More later...


skymovingcloud

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #95 on: January 06, 2008, 08:06:10 PM »
Hi all, I'm a newbie on the site, joined up because of this thread, very interesting indeed. My background is in mathematics and software engineering. My take on this is to try and model it with software, but my physics is rusty and not to degree level. So my question is, is anyone else on here aware of others that have tried/started/succeeded in modelling this or something similar? I'm sure it's a massive challenge and probably way out of my league, but ya gotta try. Any links, ideas or references to material would be appreciated.

FunkyJive

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #96 on: January 06, 2008, 08:12:51 PM »
Hi Skymovingcloud.

Like yourself I'm a newbie here myself, though as your standard of mathematics is good then I'll see if I can encourage my maths-orientated friend and colleague (educated to lecturing standard) to join up and chip in. At-least he may be able to throw in a few algorithms for your to work on, amongst many others here I'm sure.

Tweak factors set aside, good modelling software would doubtless save hours of experimentation to optimise  ;)

All the best,

Funkyjive

amigo

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #97 on: January 06, 2008, 08:20:36 PM »
Hi all, I'm a newbie on the site, joined up because of this thread, very interesting indeed. My background is in mathematics and software engineering. My take on this is to try and model it with software, but my physics is rusty and not to degree level. So my question is, is anyone else on here aware of others that have tried/started/succeeded in modelling this or something similar? I'm sure it's a massive challenge and probably way out of my league, but ya gotta try. Any links, ideas or references to material would be appreciated.

Funny you say this because past week or so I have been contemplating about a software system that could do physical simulations of magnetic and dynamic interactions between objects. An idea might be to use an existing rigid body dynamics engine (for example ODE, being Open Source) and retrofit it with a magnetic simulation component so that magnets could be added as various bodies in the simulation.

Then I thought, heck there are already 3D applications that contain rigid body dynamics engines built in (for example 3ds max uses Havok and I'm familiar with 3ds max) so why build something from scratch when these applications already provide a real 3D environment to model objects and give them rigid body properties. A (big) task would be the write a plug-in that would simulate magnets and their interactions with other objects. Ideally a simulation with visualization of magnetic lines would be an ultimate goal here.

Of course this is all theoretical for now since I neither have the time nor adequate knowledge to undertake either of the tasks...

Dyamios

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #98 on: January 06, 2008, 08:21:02 PM »
@skymovingcloud

This is one of the bigger (if not most promising) developments that I've seen here in the past year or so, with the exception of mike's motor which was never successfully replicated.

Seeing as how this motor was just recently disclosed, it will take some time for replications and reports from third parties to become available.

If and when more success reports are disclosed, only then should we put a considerable amount of effort into modeling and discovering what actually causes this apparent physical anomaly. Until then, we can only speculate. After all, it could indeed all be a hoax.

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Asides from that, does anyone really know how the maker(s) of this motor believe it works, or what their basic premise is based upon?

Thanks!

skymovingcloud

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #99 on: January 06, 2008, 08:32:22 PM »
Hi Skymovingcloud.

Like yourself I'm a newbie here myself, though as your standard of mathematics is good then I'll see if I can encourage my maths-orientated friend and colleague (educated to lecturing standard) to join up and chip in. At-least he may be able to throw in a few algorithms for your to work on, amongst many others here I'm sure.

Tweak factors set aside, good modelling software would doubtless save hours of experimentation to optimise  ;)

All the best,

Funkyjive

Hi Funkyjive,
sounds great.

Best of luck to the constructors too, looking forward to seeing the results.

Cheers,

Sky

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #100 on: January 06, 2008, 08:40:39 PM »
Way to go on the replication work!  I've begun a compilation here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:OC_MPMM_Magnet_Motor#Replications

Let me know as soon as one of you gets one running so we can feature it in our news and stir the excitement even more.

Sterling

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #101 on: January 06, 2008, 09:09:21 PM »
@Naklaw and @TheOne
Excellent work guys, well done and keep it coming.

@sterlinga , gawd knows where you get the time too keep that site updated, but good on you and a valuable resource!

I now have too wait for my magnets, but as not being very patient I decided to strip down the Kiss Motor and use the magnets as the N-N-S-S combination is the same. Have added 1 big Block magnet from Gaby's project on a bearing for playing (Talk about recylcling!) and very interesting the effect at around 350RPM when spinning the Rotor forward and the Stator the opposite way, it seems too cog and flip the Stator, but trying to get the Tacho too catch it is a nightmare.. Will knock up a couple more Stator Blocks and see what it goes like. I do not expect alot but something too play with while waiting for correct magnets to arrive.

ummm I knew those holes I drilled to mark the center of each side would come in handy ;D


(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/oc6.jpg)

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #102 on: January 06, 2008, 09:23:06 PM »
  Hello all, I'm a newby here although I've visited a few times in the past.  I must say some of the engineering work being done is quite impressive.  I tend to think out of the box most of the time, although, it's good to take a couple trips back in the box once in a while to regain perspective. 

 
znel... 
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yorkshireminer

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #103 on: January 06, 2008, 09:43:46 PM »
This seems to me to be similar to the Searl motor, in the Searl motor we have rotating cylindrical magnets rotating around a central stationary  circular magnetic plate. Here they have done the opposite made the cylindrical rotating magnets stationary and rotated the central circular magnetic plate, is this not equivalent when there are not absolute terms of reference? I have also noted that the number of magnets for the rotor is 8 and for the stator 13. These are Fibonacci numbers, is there a relationship? Just a couple of points to ponder

naklaw

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #104 on: January 06, 2008, 09:45:26 PM »
In case you are interested in a demonstration of how the magnets are magnetically coupled:

Turning the rotor:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9028377735804824913&hl=en

Turning the spinning magnet:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2082838356310248955&hl=en

I am still very sceptical :)

I tried reversing the spinning magnet but I can't find any resonance, I even tried to speed it up in reverse direction with a DC motor...

If you convince me I will build a larger more stable one :)