Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube?? (Read 1333751 times)

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #2970 on:** April 24, 2008, 05:19:29 AM »

he has gone even a step further, and blatently denied such accusations. claiming that his device was authentic.

though he insists that the observed effect in the video is not overunity.

NerzhDishual · « **Reply #2971 on:** April 24, 2008, 05:53:45 AM »

Hi Sm0ky2,

So, as far as I can catch it:
He is not cheating.
His device is genuine.
His device is not showing any 'OU' behavior.

OK. Perhaps has he a personal interpretation of 'OU'

To me, this guy is not clear and I must confess that I'm confused
(and even irascible) with this kind of person.

Best

FunkyJive · « **Reply #2972 on:** April 24, 2008, 08:50:46 PM »

smOky2 wrote:

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...he has gone even a step further, and blatently denied such accusations. claiming that his device was authentic, though he insists that the observed effect in the video is not overunity.

Here therefore appears to be a conflict in any reasoning behind not being available and supportive in the detail of the device, particularly if the observed effect was little more than an interesting observation and nothing to do with potential exploitation of an Over-Unit device. Had a lot of the guesswork been removed then perhaps the many dedicated experimenters, expending considerable time and effort - at their cost, may have been able to reproduce the effects claimed in at-least one-or-two incarnations.

With little more to base personal decisions upon about this device, other than what the elusive Alsetalokin claims himself, plus the reported destruction of the only working original which rarely fit the profile of a dedicated experimenter (how many hours must he have spent on achieving a "working" model?), and the considerable number of fruitless attempts at replication with the many different permutations based around the original, I cannot reasonably accept that this is devoid of at-least some deception.

Being realistic, fervent claims and blatent denials from similar claimants rarely carry much weight to sustain "the dream" indefinitely. Time to move on then...

Such a pity

All the best,

FunkyJive

Low-Q · « **Reply #2973 on:** April 24, 2008, 09:40:52 PM »

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 24, 2008, 02:23:53 AM

Summary::::

Al made a YouTube Video, showing a promising device. He has utterly failed to represent this device in any replicatable construct, despite now hundreds of attempts.....

some 3,000 pages later across 9 threads, and noone has been able to achieve anything close to a working device based on this design.

Al still claims to this day, that his video (and the apparent acceleration of the device) is authentic.
But he himself has been unable to replicate it. and the original has been destroyed by its creator.

OC MPMM R.I.P.

Thanks for your help!

Btw: Isn't it obvious that one would destroy a working OU motor? What interest do anyone have in a true OU motor? Give me a break

. The motor is "destroyed" due to some non-provable claims.

Br.
Vidar

Low-Q · « **Reply #2974 on:** April 24, 2008, 09:43:56 PM »

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 24, 2008, 05:19:29 AM

he has gone even a step further, and blatently denied such accusations. claiming that his device was authentic.

though he insists that the observed effect in the video is not overunity.

Isn't that a paradox? The motor is accelerating, fighting against loss in bearings and air resistance. At the same time hi claims the motor is not OU

Give me another brake

Br.

Vidar

FunkyJive · « **Reply #2975 on:** April 24, 2008, 11:15:53 PM »

I believe the correct term would be "reportedly destroyed", as casting the device into an open bin on camera (if I recall correctly) is hardly as convincing or decisive as smashing the thing to bits with a hammer whilst running

There's also a subtle but important difference between claiming that a device is "not OU", and not claiming that a device is OU. I'm not immediately aware of exactly what was said by the claimant, though reportedly operating for several hours would be reasonable grounds for discussions to at-least intelligently and shame-lessly debate such a possibility. In all fairness though, statements of this nature can easily get lossed or confused in the translation.

If I myself had developed or stumbled across such a working device, I would then invite interested individuals (even friends and associates at a private gathering if necessary) to attend demonstration and study the device further - to encourage collective interest and comment, and with others then able to publicly attest to a working model and record their own video's of the event in a suitably-lit environment.

This would then go some way in serving to reduce prolonged and concentrated scepticism and pressures that (again) reportedly led to the distruction of the device through sustained frustration. With the many convincing fakers looking to steal the limelight, what else might one reasonably expect?

However, I'm not aware of anyone here or anywhere else who is willing and able to personally confirm operation of the device by having seen it, in the flesh, with their own eyes. If this is the case then please step forward... anyone?...

I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted anything or have missed something important buried in this lengthy thread, but as it currently stands the Alsetalokin story just doesn't appear to stack up $:-\$

All the best,

FunkyJive

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #2976 on:** April 25, 2008, 03:52:52 AM »

Quote from: Low-Q on April 24, 2008, 09:40:52 PM

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 24, 2008, 02:23:53 AM
Summary::::

Al made a YouTube Video, showing a promising device. He has utterly failed to represent this device in any replicatable construct, despite now hundreds of attempts.....

some 3,000 pages later across 9 threads, and noone has been able to achieve anything close to a working device based on this design.

Al still claims to this day, that his video (and the apparent acceleration of the device) is authentic.
But he himself has been unable to replicate it. and the original has been destroyed by its creator.

OC MPMM R.I.P.

Thanks for your help!

Btw: Isn't it obvious that one would destroy a working OU motor? What interest do anyone have in a true OU motor? Give me a break . The motor is "destroyed" due to some non-provable claims.

Br.
Vidar

That's the whole thing... AL never made these claims... OTHER PEOPLE DID!! people that watched his video..

now: did AL make the video appear to be misleading? i must say i got the same impression that everyone else did from watching it.
but AL himself never claimed the things that everyone else said HIS motor "did".

The only distinguishable facts that AL has confirmed is:

1) he spun the rotor up - putting energy into it.

2) when he took away some of the 'drag', the motor spun faster. (i.e. stopping the other stators)

is this any different than a kid hanging on the edge of a whirl-go-round, then jumping towards the center??
is it our own faults for making the (false) assumptions of apparent "OU" ??

is it AL's responsibility to track down hundreds of would-be replicators and stop them from trying to recreate his works?? or to hop around to 9 different forums and correct all the false conjecture being passed around??

There are a lot of lessons to be learned from this experience.

vipond50 · « **Reply #2977 on:** April 25, 2008, 06:57:45 AM »

Hello
I built a device very close to what Al did in the second video. It was remarkable and a enjoyable project, in fact I still give it a spin up every now and then.
Truthfully I could really give a hoot about OU that Al state was NOT in the device, all I want to see was it increase in rpm and or maintain rpm for a short time and i would have been all smiles. Well I have to be honest i am still smiling when i give it a spin up

Regards
Bill

Yadaraf · « **Reply #2978 on:** April 26, 2008, 11:54:39 AM »

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@ALL replicators still interested

RE: Rubber mounts discovered in 2nd Video

After looking closely at Al's second "trashcan" video it's apparent that he mounted his spindle on rubber shock mounts.

It's possible that these mounts allow the rotor to wobble in such a way that "favorable" resonance conditions might occur (useful flux oscillations).

Below are two images that show the spindle and rubber mounts. If you want to make your Whipmag "wobble like Al's," then you might try inserting some rubber between the spindle and base.

Notes:

.. 1. Inserting rubber mounts should not change the rotor height above the base (i.e. maintain relationship between the rotor and stator magnets).

.. 2. The rotor should not only move up-and-down but also teeter side-to-side, thus the hole in the base plate might need to be opened to permit the spindle to pivot.

.. 3. Al's rotor might have had eccentricity problems as well -- exacerbating the wobble -- thus some lopsidedness might be good.

Cheers

Yada ..

attack duck · « **Reply #2979 on:** April 27, 2008, 05:07:03 AM »

Quote from: vipond50 on April 25, 2008, 06:57:45 AM

Hello
I built a device very close to what Al did in the second video. It was remarkable and a enjoyable project, in fact I still give it a spin up every now and then.
Truthfully I could really give a hoot about OU that Al state was NOT in the device, all I want to see was it increase in rpm and or maintain rpm for a short time and i would have been all smiles. Well I have to be honest i am still smiling when i give it a spin up

Regards
Bill

Hi Bill, so are you saying you achieved acceleration or an extended spin down? Did you employ the
two gear wise stators and then stop them to achieve further acceleration? Nobody has reported
acceleration except possibly momentarily. Very unclear what you are saying. Please elaborate!

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #2980 on:** April 27, 2008, 05:39:49 AM »

@ duck ,

with my replications:
achieving acceleration after stopping the two extraneous stators was achieved early on in this project.
this is the sole reason i did away with those two extra stators after my first replication. The dont do anything good for maintaining momentum, they in fact add unwanted drag to the rotor, bit of an oddity that the momentum is somehow "transfered back" to the rotor when you stop them, but still not any additional energy into the rotor, - rather it is simply returning to (close to ) its original speed that was imparted to it in the initial spin-up. [ like the kid on the whirl-go-round, or a figure skater pulling her arms inwards].

Most of my focus instead went into attempting to get the AWG-Lock to add an extra "push" to the stator.

which i was never able to accomplish, except manually step-for-step, and that is grossly debatable, as to wether or not the manual allignment is adding energy in the form of flux-compression.
i was unable to find any arrangements of stator/rotor that worked together while spinning in the manner which was proposed.
not by the original specs or any other ratio i could come up with. at very best i had a fly-wheel with a geared stator-magnet riding in its field - which eventually stopped.

maw2432 · « **Reply #2981 on:** April 27, 2008, 03:09:48 PM »

Have you seen the Magnetron Toy. I have one and it is fascinating. I wonder if the effects are the same. You can see a video on the following link. Watch how it speeds up and transfers some energy from one arm to the other but eventually slows down and stops.

http://www.grand-illusions.com/toycollection/magnetron/

Bill

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #2982 on:** April 27, 2008, 09:56:12 PM »

yeah i made a couple of "fairfax" polygons out of GeoMags, that did the same thing.

vipond50 · « **Reply #2983 on:** April 28, 2008, 08:07:37 PM »

Quote from: attack duck on April 27, 2008, 05:07:03 AM

Quote from: vipond50 on April 25, 2008, 06:57:45 AM
Hello
I built a device very close to what Al did in the second video. It was remarkable and a enjoyable project, in fact I still give it a spin up every now and then.
Truthfully I could really give a hoot about OU that Al state was NOT in the device, all I want to see was it increase in rpm and or maintain rpm for a short time and i would have been all smiles. Well I have to be honest i am still smiling when i give it a spin up

Regards
Bill

Hi Bill, so are you saying you achieved acceleration or an extended spin down? Did you employ the
two gear wise stators and then stop them to achieve further acceleration? Nobody has reported
acceleration except possibly momentarily. Very unclear what you are saying. Please elaborate!

Hi Duck
No, I am smiling because of the project and the occasional spin up.
I have NO maintained operation in anyway shape or form with the current configuration.
Sorry for the confusion
Bill

Yadaraf · « **Reply #2984 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:19:18 AM »

@All

Here is the lip on Al's rotor, shown against the recess in the base plate.

Cheers

Yada ..

EDIT: It was later noted that the recess in the base is on the underside only, and that the rotor lip was not intentional and likely insignificant.

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