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Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??  (Read 1195167 times)

Offline RunningBare

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1605 on: January 23, 2008, 07:40:27 PM »
Speculation: As Ice skaters pull their arms in to speed up it could be some magnetic form of this.

Conservation of momentum, this is just one of the theories that has been discussed on the Steorn forum, but if it is CoM, its pretty impressive CoM for 7.5 hours.

Offline ken_nyus

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1606 on: January 23, 2008, 07:40:29 PM »
Speculation: As Ice skaters pull their arms in to speed up it could be some magnetic form of this.

Yes I have seen this idea proposed, that the whole unit acts as if it is a flywheel of a much larger size then it appears, and when stopping the two other stators, the effective size of this flywheel has shrunk, and through the conservation of angular momentum, the unit speeds up.

Seems elegant and appealing, wish we could test the idea.

Offline RunningBare

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1607 on: January 23, 2008, 07:42:55 PM »
RB
Hitting the back button usually retrieves it for me.
Unless your using a DOS based browser :S

Cheers,

Dean

Nah, with all the cash Steff makes from the adverts on this site he should improve the server with more thread connections as well.

Offline sterlinga

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1608 on: January 23, 2008, 08:30:47 PM »
Sterling,

Do you think that it is possible that COE may be violated?

Hi Dean,

I personally believe that any legitimate energy modality is harvesting energy from SOMEWHERE.  If this is in keeping with the law of conservation of energy, then count me a believer.

Just because magnet motors appear to pull energy from NOWHERE, doesn't mean that that is actually what is happening.  An aborigine viewing a radio would consider that pretty magical -- sound coming from a box, transmitted through the air.  But you and I know how that works.  It's not magical at all.

Similarly, I think once a magnet motor can be proven, the science will not be far behind to show where the energy is coming from; devising a new set of laws to account for this new discovery.

Sterling

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1609 on: January 23, 2008, 09:20:58 PM »
@Jdo300,

As far as I remember @btentzer posted this link http://www.geocities.com/deasyart/steorn/OC_sim_one_stator_a.JPG with results of a simulation. I don't know who did it. Were you able to reproduce it and if so is it possible to show the results with different rotor to stator magnetic field strengths, especially the cutoff ratio whereby the effect disappears?

Offline Rosphere

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1610 on: January 23, 2008, 09:51:23 PM »
But that d*mned acceleration, what will account for that?

That is the big mystery that keeps me interested.

Me too.  Until I had this dreadful thought:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3949.msg72401#msg72401

Offline Jdo300

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1611 on: January 23, 2008, 09:51:24 PM »
@Jdo300,

As far as I remember @btentzer posted this link http://www.geocities.com/deasyart/steorn/OC_sim_one_stator_a.JPG with results of a simulation. I don't know who did it. Were you able to reproduce it and if so is it possible to show the results with different rotor to stator magnetic field strengths, especially the cutoff ratio whereby the effect disappears?

Not sure what you're referring to there. It seems that the link you mentioned doesn't work. But as far as simulations go. I have done a few basic ones to get a rough idea of what is happening but they are, for the moment, completely useless since it seems that the rotation of the stator is far from linear. Once we can take some emperical measurements to characterize the rotation of the stator magnets with respect to the rotor, then I can write a Lua script to exactly imitate the stator motion. until then, I havnen't really gotten to deep with the sims yet.

By the way, has anyone come up with a good, nonobtrusive way to measure the velocity of the stator magnets? so far the best I've see are coils, but I'm trying to think of a way to do it that wont drag on the magnets.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1612 on: January 23, 2008, 10:16:31 PM »
@Jdo300,

Strange the link doesn't open where you are. Works good with me. I wonder if @btentzer remembers who did this simulation to learn more details about it. Main thing is to see how important the stator to rotor magnetic field ratio is. As for the stator speed, isn't the laser tachometer good for that purpose? Mine hasn't arrived yet to try it.

Offline RunningBare

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1613 on: January 23, 2008, 10:24:43 PM »

By the way, has anyone come up with a good, nonobtrusive way to measure the velocity of the stator magnets? so far the best I've see are coils, but I'm trying to think of a way to do it that wont drag on the magnets.

God Bless,
Jason O

A hall effects sensor is one way to do it, but the simplest method I believe has already been mentioned is a laser tachometer , what I would add is painting vertical lines on the stator magnet at regular intervals, lots of them, this way you would be able to measure change over a single cycle.

Offline Mr.Entropy

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1614 on: January 23, 2008, 10:35:48 PM »
Speculation: As Ice skaters pull their arms in to speed up it could be some magnetic form of this.

To make that work, a skater has to pull her arms in.  If you cut them off, she doesn't go any faster.


Offline ken_nyus

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1615 on: January 23, 2008, 10:59:23 PM »
But that d*mned acceleration, what will account for that?

That is the big mystery that keeps me interested.

Me too.  Until I had this dreadful thought:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3949.msg72401#msg72401

I saw that when you posted but I was not sure of what to make of it, to answer your questions...

Will the flywheel accelerate? I think Yes.

Will the flywheel continue to run indefinitely? I think No.

But I am not sure how you relate this back to the device.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1616 on: January 23, 2008, 11:03:34 PM »
I have transferred my inappropriate post to http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3574.new#new

All the best,

FunkyJive


« Last Edit: January 24, 2008, 01:07:13 AM by FunkyJive »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1617 on: January 24, 2008, 12:24:26 AM »
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Do you think that it is possible that COE may be violated?


..I am totally convinced that even now it is not possible to argue that conventional energy cannot be yielded by conversion of unconventional universal sources that even today we do not understand.


FunkyJive




Well said, FunkyJive.  It is merely a lack of our understanding.  When we do understand, it will be easy.  People will look back on the 20th century as a bunch of idiots, burning oil for power when there is limitless power around us, ready to be tapped.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1618 on: January 24, 2008, 12:36:56 AM »
Please keep this thread clean of discussing violation of CoE. That CoE can be violated has already been categorically proven but this thread is just about the technical issues connected with reproducing @alsetalokin's device. There are other threads where you can get an insight regarding the proved violation of CoE.

Offline FunkyJive

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1619 on: January 24, 2008, 12:42:49 AM »
My post was inspired by discussions as to what may be causing the motor to run (notably - electromagnetism), and where the energy may be coming from. I didn't mean to suggest violation of CoE, but merely that there may be reasoning attached to magnetic forces involved with this device as a potential energy source that's not adequately considered in conventional science.

My apologies Omnibus, et al   :-[


FunkyJive