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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: innovation_station on January 01, 2008, 11:49:56 PM
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8) :P ;D
and here it the place for that i ask this gets made a sticky ;)
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all the rest will fall in place
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HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone doubters truth seekers alike ;D
this is the year....... get ready to study and the truth will unfold
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so a place to start
start here
tesla pattend #568177
his ozone generator pattend
ok
i hope you all are ready cuz truth be told im not lol!!
but here we go down the rabbit hole .........
this is the start of the truth study this pattend only get a handle on it build show explain
tell the truth
histeam!!
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Erfinder, your post confused me =/
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Erfinder please don't confuse Super God, LOL :)
Guys, do you know what's significant about this Tesla technology? (it's the same as the Tesla coil)
These are the features of his technology:
1) Primary low turn inductor and capacitor tank circuit that resonate at let's say F1
2) The Secondary long solenoid coil that resonates based on STANDING WAVES, so this means LOCATION of primary coil matters most. If placed in the center like you see, it excites a 1/2 wavelength mode. If placed close to one side it excites fundamental and other harmonics. So F1 needs to be tuned to excite the correct mode based on location. (in actuality a number of harmonics get generated and resonate, especially from a spark gap drive)
3) Primitive rotary gap to create pulses. Nowadays we use solid state (do a search on Tesla solid state drivers)
So is there free energy from a Tesla Coil?
EM
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Yes, this circuit is amazing.
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now a days we are lost eh!
stick with what is known Bond any doubt
who knows Tesla knows
like i have said how can you even think on improving perfection ??
can you cuz i cant lol
i think in every Tesla coil you see free energy do you not
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yup
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this is the contex of a link user @marcels left in another post
Observation of single-point excitation and shocking of rotating acoustic waves. (A)
Peter H. Ceperley and Alon Koren
Depts. of Phys. and Elec. and Comput. Eng., George Mason Univ., Fairfax, VA 22030
In a cylindrically symmetric resonator or a ring resonator, the proper combination of standing wave modes results in a rotating wave field. Such a field has the appearance of a traveling wave chasing its tail, a constant field profile rotating in space. However, unlike traveling waves, rotating waves are limited to distinct modes. Rotating waves offer the clearest insight into angular momentum and rotary motion in wave fields. The following observations will be reported: (1) rotating acoustic waves in a concentric ring resonator and in a cylindrical resonator; (2) single-point excitation of these waves [P. H. Ceperley, ``Split mode traveling wave ring resonator,'' U.S. Patent 4,686,407 (1987)]; and (3) weak shocking of the wave fronts at acoustic amplitudes near 1 kPa. These all relate to one atmosphere, air-filled resonators. [Work supported by ONR.]
Seemed relevant
And we even get the famous dragon chasing its tail analogy come on acer i figured youd like this too
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Note on capacitance -
Any condenser has a theoretical infinite capacity for energy storage (in the form of potential), limited only by its dielectric strength.
So what happens if we charge a small high dielectric strength condenser with a large inductor fed by a suitable current source? What happens if it is fed when the current is cut to the inductor? What is stored in the condenser?
In the ozone patent, why are there two inductors?
Why does tesla refer to large inductors as choking coils?
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Erfinder, your post confused me =/
It pains me to say it (LOL) but, you really don't know what Tesla was doing! Please don't take that the wrong way, it was not meant to offend! Armagedon is one of the few who is really paying attention. There are two inductors, representing two inductances, one having more than the other, the one possessing the capacity for self induction, the other lacking this capability. The two are connected in parallel. This arrangement is being called The Tesla coil! IT IS NOT! This is nothing more than Tesla's enhancement of the induction coil. It is a means for effectively and efficiently charging a capacitor! (A capacitor which in the patent 568,177 is already charged, fully or partially by the source.....LOL.... For those of you who are paying attention, Armagedon, a very important piece to the true solid state switching method Tesla gave has just been mentioned for a second time!)
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here is the pattend #613 809
well always learning to do ;)
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A correction on the "Tesla for dummies"
The primary and secondary are not inductively connected, They are the exact polar opposite of inductively connected........capacitively connected. All you TPU builders.....take note!
It should also be noted that the voltage increase is not a product of the ratio of windings, Tesla stated that more important than ratio is the mass of each respectively. Erfinder has already stated this,
READ!
quick question.....How many of you have DISECTED the patents given? Not just read, not just studied....Dissected!
How much time have you spent reading thousands of pages of material? Countless authors? Countless interpretations? Now.......how many of you have working UNITY machines?........nuf said.
Ill give you a clue, I was not looking for "OU" I was looking for what energy itself is. How can we control what we do not understand?
I admittedly still no nothing, but I have a my eye on what I want, and have a clear objective, UNDERSTANDING!
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It's amazing how tesla was so incredibly smart and didn't give up in the face of opposition. 100 years ago he surpassed everything we've done today. Simply amazing.
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Most TPU researchers would benefit from a DETOUR through Tesla land.
why do I say that? Well, try and build a Tesla coil and tune it and learn how it operates, and then with that knowledge you can come back to theTPU research invigorated and full of understanding.
Tesla was a great man for his time, but current science has surpassed him. Don't get upset at this, it's just the way things are. In a few years others will surpass what we acomplish. Tesla realy stood out in front of the pack, exloring unique aspects of electrodynamics. I wonder what would attract Tesla's interests now a days? If he were living today would be be researching Superconductors? Would he be into the atom smashing projects trying to understand the fundamental pieces of nature? Would he be working in advanced electromagnetic radar absorbing materials? Radio Astronomy? Medical Imaging perhaps? Control Theory and Chaos theory? Semiconductors and VLSI integration? Would he be a computer nerd? Who knows, maybe all of them.
To clarify once again for the people that think they know, but know superficialy, Tesla played with interesting things, and to the uneducated individual he is way ahead of you and very mysterious. But to the educated electrical engineer of today, Tesla is old stuff. We have systems that resonate today in ways that tesla could only imagine. His intelect did penetrate forward into the unknown, but he also made scientific blunders and made statements that now are know to be wrong. But hey, everybody did at one time or antoher.
1) He played with RC and made his little submarine, well now the RC discipline is very mature and we no longer build primitive devices like his, when we can use small effiecient RF modules and servos.
2) He conceived the AC polyphase systems, and this is probably his most world changing invention. We still use it today and will continue for some time, although semiconductors are creating a mini revolution in how power is distrubuted and how motors are run.
3) The Tesla coil, more of an entertainment device in today's scientific community, still draws admiration from the learned and unleared alike. A high voltage amplifying system using standing waves resonace, but proven not to be overunity like some believe. The displays we see take LOTS of power to produce. One note, some people produce High Voltage from a iron core transformer a lots of turns in the secondary and confuse it with Tesla's coil, and it's not. Like I said before, the uniqueness of his invention is that it utilizes standing waves, you don't get that in a iron core transformer, you get normal LC resonance (if hooked to a capacitor) and normal flux induction in the coil (it's a highly coupled transformer, vs the Tesla coil which is a weakly coupled tranformer, and that with only the botom few turns of the secondary) We should also say that the top loading sphere plays a great role in building up the voltage. A sharp wire will leak current right out into the air ionizing it, but the sphere (due to it's large radius) can build to a higher voltage before ionization takes place since the intensity of the Electric field is lower on a larger sphere of the same potential)
4) Tesla also made contributions to radio and some argue that he is the true inventor of "radio". There is not doubt he was right there with marconi and others and has a ton of patents, regardless, his techniques are old and primitive from our modern persepctive. Wireless sciences are well defined now and we are invade by wireless equipment, from cell phones to WiFi gadgest, bluetooth, and the few dinosaur in our back yards (huge AM towers LOL :)ÂÂ
5) Other stuff like turbine, vibrators, medical equipment, etc... met with various success, but most of them outdated concepts , or perhaps outdated in their original presentation since we certainly have big ariliners flying around with tubine engines, and a whole slew of medical equipment.
So what's the point of all this? The point is that science has moved on, and if you want to understand physics, electrodyanamics, take a class at your local university. Take a lab class and play around and learn the principles. Tesla has nothing "new" to offer that's not thought in school at one lever or another. For example when I read his patents I know exactly what he is talking about, albeit it takes me a while due to the style of his writing and the language he used, but it's the same with other writings from that era. Knowledge realy hasn't been lost at all. Tesla himself gave a few lectures to the IEEE electrical engineering society, he's not an outsider by any means.
Ok enough of my rambling, I'll go create some Tesla sparks now LOL :)
EM
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stay tuned.........
much more to come
welcome to his wonderful world of truth
seek and ye shall find ......
disect and ye shall discover .......
and hey if you all find the time do your self a favor and find an old microwave ;)
have a look at the circuit :o
perhaps this is the first step to understanding 8)
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I have a spare magnetron from a microwave oven, but I don't dare turn that puppy on :D
I'm too young for cataracts ;)
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Tesla was a great man for his time, but current science has surpassed him. Don't get upset at this, it's just the way things are. In a few years others will surpass what we acomplish. Tesla realy stood out in front of the pack, exloring unique aspects of electrodynamics. I wonder what would attract Tesla's interests now a days? If he were living today would be be researching Superconductors?
What is one wire conduction? inductive or capacitive? can I yell supercuductor yet? Seem to remember a researcher named Avramenko sending over many many Kilo Watts over a wire thinner than a human hair........
Would he be into the atom smashing projects trying to understand the fundamental pieces of nature
Probably not, He would probably have consulted those who admittedly had a better understanding than him.......
"Bury your ideas in a vault for a thousand years to await the unfolding of human consciousness to comprehend your vision." -Telsa- (to walter russell)
Would he be working in advanced electromagnetic radar absorbing materials? Radio Astronomy? Medical Imaging perhaps?
"signalling to mars - a problem of electrical engineering"
"talking with planets"
"Teslas's latest advances in vacuum-tube lighting, application of tubes of high illuminating power to photography and other perposes."
"On the Roentgen Streams"
"Roetgen Rays or streams"
"Electrical progress.* On Apparatus for Cathography, By Nicola Tesla"
"On Roentegen Radiations"
"Teslas Latest Results* he now produces radiographs at a distance of more than forty feet"
(all tesla articles published and open to the public!)
Im sure if he were still around, he would laugh, at least a little.
Control Theory and Chaos theory
Need we prepetuate this entropic view any longer?
Getting tired..........
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my pic simply shows most of the parts inside a microwave
the magnetron is not used in any of my experiments i have tyred
and i do not intend on anyone one playing with it
i saved it for the magnets that is all
the transformer cap and other goodies is what i am after ;)
yes i will be making a video showing a RF flame that can not come from the source battery as i will demonstrate in my simple video
the RF flame is produced when the power is cut from the source this is the kick back bemf re Fe hell call it what you want this is your whole power which we are currently not using properly
i have built things yes and so can all of you
but it all begins right here in properly comprehending this pattend
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Sorry if I come off wrong here. But...
All very cute this thread. The dummy book is funny at the start. Tesla might be proud, maybe not, to see his face cropped to a dummies book. Can we do Einstein next?
So anyone of the people here posting all this done anything we can do (replicate) and see the point here (their OU)? Sure there will be comments, but I would just like you to comment with "your" OU project that "you" have done and show the OU before you put Tesla's face in a "are you guys stupid book"?
Do I count on the power company to power the magnetron for my next project that will probably hurt me? How do I power this?
The year 2008 has nothing to do with what this forum is about, but some use it as a "hey look at me" advertisement. Grant it I hope we find it this year.
And a little text with a cropped picture of someone that in their day did a lot and a PDF generator.
That is disrespectful.
Nothing posted in this thread is new here. Even the patent numbers seem to be the same as the year before and the year before that... repeated a few times.
If you want to explain what you think you read that is fine. But a mockery, that is sad.
"Much to come", I think I saw that in an ad too.
Tesla, in his time, did a lot. I respect and read, like many others I read about form our past. And as I read, MANY others here in this forum do.
Tesla did not have an itouch or blackberry (hate that phone) or computer with windows (hate that OS). Maybe that goes to people heads now. Got me.
We have come a long way in trying to figure it all out. Can we get to the point, and just type a name of a person (new or old) and not use their picture (respect the dead that laid a road for many). Just make your point, show the texts/diagrams and leave it at that.
This is why I never get serious here. I come here when I am done with my work, not as it is part of my work.
Now you want to show the TPU people what they need to know (hum, how many pages on that are here (before you TPU guys get upset, anything working yet?)). I am so excited that this thread summed it up in 2 pages. That would have saved years of reading and a lot of peoples time and money.
[insert] Now a post from someone that knows a person with a working TPU or OU device, or a nasty post/comment from someone that thinks I am picking on someone here they hang/agree with them or a post because they are JUST WRONG to do it this way[/insert]
And, Tesla invented radio? No, I think the Sun was there first doing that and the Earth received it. Glad the Sun is still here now..
Well said my friend!
However (isnt there always a "but"?) Mine is a personal quest for the understanding of nature. I am quite satisfied in my learnings and have shat quite a few bricks recently. (though I am Faaaaaaaaaaar from done)
I owe nothing to anyone, save one, who would probably argue this point.........therefore I simply offer direction as it was offered to me.
I have made no claims, and posted only one build which is not mine (the concept at least)
The truth is self evident and will come out in time.
Please if you have something to offer, wonderful! but remember
positive atracts positive...............you should all know the rest.
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I need a microwave right when my parents decide to take away our only working one...what are the odds? Finding a damn microwave is hard as hell because no one throws ANYTHING away in this damned town!!
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I need a microwave right when my parents decide to take away our only working one...what are the odds? Finding a damn microwave is hard as hell because no one throws ANYTHING away in this damned town!!
Go buy one.
700 W Sylvania at Sams Club for $35.
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Oooo me likey cheap microwave! Thank you Aegis!!
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Oooo me likey cheap microwave! Thank you Aegis!!
You can also try in a repair shop, they prob have some useless microwave to give or sell for cheaper
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has anyone on this forum actually built a working TPU? (one that will light up light bulbs)
are there any videos of any working TPU's besides Stephen Marks'?
there is just SO MUCH posted about this device, that i cant seem to find an answer to either question.
thanks all,
LC
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a simple video i made demonstrating the kick bemf re fe full electricity call it what you will
there it is
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nice video IS, you say towards the end "if only we knew what to do with it" :)
My suggestion:
1) Understand how it gets created
2) Use the knowledge gained to harvest it efficiently or in more abundace.
3) Then put it to work.
Simple right? LOL :)
EM
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well that is only the kick and a very poor way to produce it
meaning not efficient at all
yes i know a lot about this little kick
and i am sharing every thing i know of this
with everyone
or i will rephrase it every thing i think i know lol
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Didn't SM mention that he switched a resistor in the line before he did his spark/flame?
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@mramos
Nothing posted in this thread is new here. Even the patent numbers seem to be the same as the year before and the year before that... repeated a few times.
Maybe we should post something new then ;D
Here are some thoughts that could be applied to Patent 568177
Demagnetizing :Using an AC(alternating current)field
The method uses a magnetic field generated by a current flowing through a solenoid to change the ordering of the magnetic dipole. An AC current is used to produce magnetic field of changing direction near the magnet. The(electro-)magnetic field caused the magnetic dipoles to switch direction many times. Each time the field point to one direction some magnetic dipoles will try to align along that direction. If the field is big enough, many will align along that direction. When the field is reduced and reversed not all these magnetic poles will reverse. Hence, by repeating this process many time (that's why an AC current is needed) and also by reducing the magnitude of the current as we go, to reduce the strength of the (electro-)magnetic field, the magnetism of the magnet can be reduced to almost zero or perhaps for most practical purpose zero. In an electromagnet, ceasing the flow of current will eliminate the magnetic field. However, a slight field may remain in the core material as a result of hysteresis.
Keep in mind that this type of demagnetizing is low frequency, I wonder what Teslas currents of high frequency and potential might do? A DIAMAGNETIC FIELD perhaps? I find it very odd that EMdevices "beloved" science has nothing to say on this subject----nothing, they are playing around with levitating frogs and water. Tesla on the other hand was generating fields at frequencies and potentials science has yet to reproduce which would make him the only expert in this field of technology --- 100 years ago ;D.
Let's ask a question, What happens when a frequency of oscillation becomes unmeasurable? I mean Terrahertz frequencies at million volt potentials, for one this "field" would appear impolar or having no polarity relative to everything else, it would act unidirectionally like a "radiation" and move on matter with ease. This field because of its short period of oscillation would tend to vibrate matter, randomizing its atomic polarities---demagnetizing it, expelling all magnetism as an impolar field would. Nobody wants to ask the question, what happens when magnetism is expelled from a region of space? For one, this would constitute a changing magnetic field as it was expelled and when it collapsed back in on itself ( think anti-magnetic field the magnetic fields opposite), this field would STOP current flow dead in its tracks as there can be no magnetic component moving in the conductor, so the diamagnetic field can act like a switch. Keep in mind the magnetic field could be externally provided, like earths magnetic field? This field could act on diamagnetic copper conductors expelling magnetic fields as well as ferromagnetic cores.
Think about all the devices we see in this forum that can't be explained by science that could by the existence of a diamagnetic field. Are you so sure the magnetic field is what you think it is?
To expand on that last thought, a man named Victor Schauberger taught me a very important lesson, that is to always consider everything in its opposite sense as well. We see a field emminating from a current carrying conductor and call it a magnetic field, we can sense and measure this field. But what if this magnetic field was not "something" but a lack of something, nobody has considered that the oscillating tension (current) in the conductor could expel a field existing everywhere away from the conductor, NOT a field but a lack of a field around the conductor giving the illusion there is something there. How would you know? Is an air bubble in water something (air) OR a lack of something(water)? When we lose our biased polarized perception of things only then can we see what we may be missing.
Just some food for thought
Best Regards
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keep telling it how it is people. I have throughly enjoyed reading what has been said/taught so far. Its all still a little hard to grasp, I never did too well at science in school, but maybe thats a good thing....
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hi W,,,
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FREE RESISTING WHIT OUT HOT THE WIRE
LONG TIME NO SEE 8) 8) 8)
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You know this stuff should really go in the TESLA forum! It's so unused nowadays! =/
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welcome to the first few steps down the rabbit hole how far do you want to go?!?!?!?!
i still see a problem in the pic i posted
lol!!
what is the problem?!?!?!?!
the inverter of course ;) it is solid state based boohoo how ever i do have a solution 4 this
infact i discovered this a long time ago
lol
ruin2ne!?!
and it will be comming up in the near future ;)
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how ever until then ~~this little light of mine im a let it shine~~ let it shine~~
step into the light for the light will not lead you astray 8)
he has the whole world in His hands
some :)COLECTIVE SOUL 4 U ALL :) :) HEAVEN LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE DOWN :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CzYuQilPPG0
we were never alone :) ;) 8)
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LOL! Those are some sexy coil pics you got there! :D
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Nice innovation. Glad to seem some photos of a build! I would like to turn my hand at replicating a tesla patent. I find I learn much more by building than by theorizing, if that makes sense. I have been told to look at his method for producing ozone, it looks like a fairly simple piece. I'm wondering if anyone has some insights or suggestions? I have pulled apart a microwave and have various components such as a high voltage capacitor and a small fan. Can the drawing in the patent be taken @ face value? How important is it for the coils to be proportional to one another. I have read alot about frequencies and oscillations, and I have come to believe that it is very important that the primary and secondary be related to each other via a certain parameter?
Maybe I just need to dig deeper.
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From memory Ren,
Tesla was most insistent tat the MASS of the copper in the primary and secondary coils was the critical component for resonance to be established. not the length, the diameter of the wire or even the number of windings.
I am talking here about resonance only.
Hans von Lieven
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1 simple mass to mass tuned coil
131"2" 22 ga 86 g and i think it was 15.4' of 14 ga romex = 86 g
;D
oh yea 4" pvc
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So to break it down for the lamens (a.k.a me :D) gauge and length are irrelavant. The weight of the primary must equal the weight of the secondary? As in put it on the kitchen scales? lol. It cant be that easy... can it? Mass does mean substance/weight/fatness etc right? ;D
Edit: ok, IST's post wasnt that long before. I undie stand now :P
What Tesla describes (in my brain anyway) is a bifilar coil, where primary and secondary are of equal weight, but the primary is much thicker and this a better conductor(right word?), has less resistance?
Power is pulsed through this primary wire and the secondary (which is much higher in resistance? Conducts less amps?) collects the collapse and stores in a capacitor/or in the case of the ozone patent onto separate conductive plates in which air passes through.
Is the power that is pulsed through the primary equal to that which is recovered from the secondary, but simply structured differently (as is a high potential)?
Thanks guys (hans + inno)
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Inno, is there any significance/benefit to wrapping your primary in a horizontal layer and then your secondary around it toridal style/vertically? Is it just to suit your current application, or is it suitable for all types of replication? Does it produce superior results? Or is it just plain cool looking and easy to manage 8)
Oh and I assume that the weight of the primary took into account the weight of the insulation?
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the insulation was not figured in on the weight i simply weighed 1' of stripped romex and did the math as to how many feet i needed
to match the weight of the other
as to wrapping 90 deg coupling yes i would think there are big differences as to standard methods
this would be a higher efficiency transformer wound this way opposed to parallel coupling
am i wrong?
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Ok. So your primary actually has less mass than your secondary in copper?
I dont know alot about the transformer...yet :). But I cant see that particular style of wrapping being any worse. Pulse it and lets see!
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the only difference in weight between the primary and secondary is the weight of the varnish in the control wind other than that tinny difference they weigh the exact same copper to copper ;)
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i have not played this coil yet at all
some more music 4u read the signs :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TiJk6MeBx54
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Ahhh sorry, I just re-read your post, 1 inch of stripped (not 1 inch strip) :D Sorry for the confusion. Will watch the vid when I get home from work, damn surf control!
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well are you ready??
for another video?!?!?!?!?!
lol
in my next video i will demonstrate Tesla's ozone circuit hooked up in a microwave transformer 8)
you will take note of the used power vs the out put put power ;)
you will see that when i pulse my mot that the power used is almost in measurable my battery reads 12.39 vdc on my battery meter and on my cap meter it will read what ever i let it to :)
in plussing the mot my source battery only drops .01 volts and only after 15 or 20 pushes of the button but it always returns to where it started at ;D
here is a pic of this entire setup
isteam!!
sharing is caring :)
and tell me again that i am in this 4 the money lol
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Sorry that I do not have too much time to reply to posts made. (still without internet)
There are many interesting things in the Tesla patents, but I see one large error that will lead you all astray into having useless systems.........once again.
While it is true that Tesla said that one of the major importance's in his systems was to have equal mass in order to maximise efficiency, this is not all that there is too it!
Let us not forget that the fundamental units we are dealing with are the inductor / condenser circuits, whose relations are well known. Variations of these variables enable us to achieve any desired frequency. Maximum results are obtained when the separate parts of the systems are not only of equal mass, but when their natural ressonant frequencies are harmonically linked. Therefore you cannot go on mass alone! Do your homework on Ressonant LC circuits. (here is where the EE people can help others out!) Find out different ways to get the same ressonant frequency. What factors affect the resonance? What is the effect of Resistance?
Once you have harmonically tuned sections, then adjust for mass. I would definitely say that the harmonics play a much larger role!
Another thing of great importance to note, or question as it were.
What kind of load are you trying to drive? Notice if you hook a simple motor up to the secondary of say........the ozone patent, for the sake of being arbitrary, you are simply adding inductance to the secondary, since you are essentially adding another coil. This will naturally change the ressonant frequency of the secondary / motor circuit. Now you have a secondary system that is harmonically out of tune with the rest of the system, and what do you think the result of that will be? This is where many have failed, in adding a load to the system, they effectively destroy the conditions so carefully designed in the first place. Notice also you cannot simply add an inductive load to the secondary for the simple reason that.............it has great self inductance, meaning that there is great inductive impedance........measured in ohms.........and we all know that according to ohms law....voltage = current x resistance (or impedance), so we will have high voltage and very low amperage. Most motors do not run on these conditions..........
What would you do to solve this problem?
Now...one last thing.....
What did Tesla's loads look like? His motors? His lights? ill give you a huge hint.
Look at Tesla's
"Apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy""ygrene tnaidar fo noitazilitu eht rof sutarappA"
Don't you love riddles?
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While it is true that Tesla said that one of the major importance's in his systems was to have equal mass in order to maximise efficiency, this is not all that there is too it!
G'day arma and all,
If you have a close look at my post you will find this is exactly what I said. Depending on what you want to do, like step up or step down voltage other factors come into play.
Having said that there is no reason to have for instance many more windings on the secondary and still keep the relationship intact. Jst use a thinner wire and keep the mass ratio intact and things will be at their optimum, according to Tesla. In fact this is common practice.
This does not mean that things will NOT work if you violate this. It just won't be as efficient, that's all.
Hans von Lieven
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again all of this is based on the use of this device
it must be designed for specific tasks
so that being said
i will use the mot to do a job of charging caps the caps will then be put to work ;) that work can vary as to what it will work at
i would seam to think we are gonna deal with 1 uf caps here
as they will discharge extremely fast and fill in almost in the same instance so what i think must be done is balance the speed of the pulse to the work you want to do and the voltage of the caps
so ...
once i have a high speed pulse and a fast discharging cap then i dump that cap or caps into a step down transformer when we slow the power down we also increase amperage or a step up tranny like my car ignition and just dump the out put of that to a battery or a cascade cap setup where as the caps step up in there value with every step up or down of the translating device
i would like to think that charging the 12vdc deep cycle batteries would happin at a very high rate of speed because i don't think the amperage is required to charge the batteries
the batteries become translating devices and switch the hv low amperage to low voltage and high amperage
is this way of thinking wrong in your eyes?
as i have not done this yet i was going to do it public with those of you that want to try it out
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:)
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my next simple video
:)
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i will be redoing this video as i studder a bit in it lol but its all good ;)
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Is it possible that these resonant frequencies that we create are sound waves of a sorts? Perhaps the key to finding the right frequency is like tuning a note on an instrument. The different gauges of wire would be of same mass and resonate together, like a key change/octaves. ?
Just some ramblings....
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Why not let "the system" find it's own resonance frequency?
http://www.angelfire.com/80s/sixmhz/flyback.html
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right
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ignition-system.htm
http://www.google.com/patents?id=iAVhAAAAEBAJ&dq=609250
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From mr Tesla...
These oscillators are expressly intended to operate on direct and alternating lighting circuits and to generate damped and undamped oscillations' or currents of any frequency, volume and tension within the widest limits. They are compact, self-contained, require no care for long periods of time and will be found very convenient and useful for various purposes as, wireless telegraphy and telephony; conversion of electrical energy; formation of chemical compounds through fusion and combination; synthesis of gases; manufacture of ozone; lighting; welding; municipal, hospital, and domestic sanitation and sterilization, and numerous other applications in scientific laboratories and industrial institutions. While these transformers have never been described before, the general principles underlying them were fully set forth in my published articles and patents, more particularly those of September 22, 1896, and it is thought, therefore, that the appended photographs of a few types, together with a short explanation, will convey all the information that may be desired.
The essential parts of such an oscillator are: a condenser, a self-nduction coil for charging the same to a high potential, a circuit controller, and a transformer which is energized by the oscillatory. discharges of the condenser. There are at least three, but usually four, five or six, circuits in tune and the regulation is effected in several ways, most frequently merely by means of an adjusting screw. Under favorable conditions an efficiency as high as 85% is attainable, that is to say, that percentage of the energy supplied can be recovered in the secondary of the transformer. While the chief virtue of this kind of apparatus is obviously due to the wonderful powers of the condenser, special qualities result from concatenation of circuits under observance of accurate harmonic relations, and minimization of frictional and other losses which has been one of the principal objects of the design.
Nikola Tesla....
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-07-00.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-07-00.htm)
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But on the MT...he says:
Tesla
I mean that you have to have in the circuit, inertia. You have to have a large self-inductance in order that you may accomplish two things: First, a comparatively low frequency, which will reduce the radiation of the electromagnetic waves to a comparatively small value, and second, a great resonant effect. That is not possible in an antenna, for instance, of large capacity and small self-inductance. A large capacity and small self-inductance is the poorest kind of circuit which can be constructed; it gives a very small resonant effect. That was the reason why in my experiments in Colorado the energies were 1,000 times greater than in the present antennae.
Counsel
You say the energy was 1,000 times greater. Do you mean that the voltage was increased, or the current, or both?
Tesla
Yes [both]. To be more explicit, I take a very large self-inductance and a comparatively small capacity, which I have constructed in a certain way so that the electricity cannot leak out. I thus obtain a low frequency; but, as you know, the electromagnetic radiation is proportionate to the square root of the capacity divided by the self-induction. I do not permit the energy to go out; I accumulate in that circuit a tremendous energy. When the high potential is attained, if I want to give off electromagnetic waves, I do so, but I prefer to reduce those waves in quantity and pass a current into the earth
Counsel
Let's see if I understand this correctly. If you have radiation or electromagnetic waves going from your system, the energy is wasted?
Tesla
Absolutely wasted. From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth.
[url][http://www.pbs.org/tesla/res/res_art07.html/url]
I don't know anything about electricity, but compare this........once again...
, because electromagnetic wave energy is not recoverable while that [earth] current is entirely recoverable, being the energy stored in an elastic system.
Counsel
What elastic system do you refer to?
Tesla
I mean this: If you pass a current into a circuit with large self-induction, and no radiation takes place, and you have a low resistance, there is no possibility of this energy getting out into space; therefore, the impressed impulses accumulate.
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and moray wrote this.....
When a resilient substance is subjected to strain and then set free, one of two things may happen. The substance may slowly recover from the strain and gradually attain its natural state, or the elastic recoil may carry it past its position of equilibrium and cause it to execute a series of oscillations. Something of the same sort may also occur when an electrified capacitor is discharged. In ordinary language, there may be a continuous flow of electricity in one direction until the discharge is completed, or an oscillating discharge may occur. That is, the first flow may be succeeded by a backrush, as if the first discharge had overrun itself and something like recoil had set in....
Considering oscillations from a mechanical, electrical and mathematical point of view, we find that electrical resistance is the same as mechanical friction and current is comparable to mechanical velocity. Inertia and inductance may then be considered analogous terms. In mechanics the greater the inertia of a body, the longer it will stay in motion. In the Radiant Energy device's resistance-inductance-capacity (REC or RLC) circuit, the greater the electrical inductance, the longer the current continues to flow once it is established by synchronization with cosmic surges.
Expressed mathematically, the equations are the same for electrical or mechanical phenomena. That is, R< square root 4L / C, where R is the resistance in ohms, L is the inductance in henries, and C is the capacitance in farads. When this is true, an oscillatory discharge will occur and a very powerful inductance inertia will assert itself. For low values of R, the frequency of the oscillations can be shown by f = 1/2 pi square root CL. The rapidity of the oscillations' frequencies are governed by the capacitance and inductance.
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Now make 6 little needle magnets 1" long......
Ed Leedskalnin wrote...Roll them in your fingers (pressure) then set them freeand you will see that they won't stay together."
You see Ed was very smart......with those few words and a little test...anyone can understand highly complex things about disruptive discharges......
All of these things are caused by ANGULAR DISPLACEMENT due to pressure and release.....
But that's not all....the disruption is made when there is full pressure in the conductor......when displacement occurs it causes a charge division in the conductor...The charges are forced to group with similar charges..and they don't like it...they are forced into a capacitive situation....this causes the charges to overrun their natural rest position like a sudden flip.....but also alot of energy is radiated out radially...and in turn energy comes back from infinity.....then everything is normal again...and the conductor will have some charges in it already, but they are in their natural positions, and their numbers will have to increased yet again to displace them into a running (current) angle.....
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Hope at least some of this helps.
Scotty
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I just found this bit from Moray....It might help with what i was saying...
In addition to possessing kinetic energy, the atom is capable of absorbing energy internally. This internal energy is associated with the configuration of the particles of which the atom is composed. Under ordinary conditions an atom is in what is known as a state of equilibrium in which there is neither a giving off nor absorbing of energy. But, the internal energy of the atom can be altered. When the internal energy of the atom exceeds that of its normal state it is said to be excited. Excitations may be caused in several ways, e.g., the collision of an atom with rapidly moving positive or negative particles or the breaking of lines of force in an electromagnetic generator. Kinetic energy is released when excitation causes a particle to give up some or all of its kinetic energy to the atom during collisions. This is taking place in the universe all the time.
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The charges that go out radially from a discharging coil will pull on atoms in nearby matter.....
Which means they will charge conductors at a distance...ect ect.
By the way...TESLA INVENTED THE TRUE RADIO SYSTEM AS WE KNOW IT...
[url][http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws09.htm/url]
Scotty
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yes erfinder
this was and still is your hard work not mine and yes i am not the best at explaining things how ever there a few of us that know some things about this thing and it is time to share it with people
wether we are ready or not here it comes this is the rabbit hole and tell me why anyone should stop at the first few steps down the hole erfinder we both know just how deep this goes.......
just share it is the only way
so i am a builder and not by any means the best im just like everyone else however i care and this must be shared
come on we know who figured it all out and no i did not do it but i am helping in getting this out
perhaps if there was a rule book for the free i would not have broken the rules but Agni there are no
no books telling us where this should end perhaps if we were still talking we could discuss where the ship should head
how ever no hard feelings it must get out this is all and be used
friends please take no offence to what i have shared
tell the truth fight the good fight less we cower in darkness
i think most of us have read those words
time is now to act
also erfinder i helped you in return you helped me and now i show
i see no problem do you
other than the explanations for this unit and that is your job is it not
as i said i am a builder.......
ist
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@armagdn03
Very good point, you need a solid premise to build these precision devices. I think the best point made in this thread was made by Erfinder ----- nature works indirectly------, If you look at tesla and morays circuits you would find they practice "isolation" in one form or another either through real isolation as in a spark gap or diode or as a transformation. Tesla patent 462418 is an example I have brought up before.
Best Regards
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HAHAHA @ IS so all those times when i got these cryptic answers and asked you straightforward questions.. i was right. you have no understanding of electronics other than "plug and play" and follow the leader.. You are in it for money and now the person who gave you intelligent comments to make has snuffed ya because you got antsy when you were called out... who's laughing now.
ANYWAYS
how bout the change in the intensity of the spark in the ozone generator when power comes off the secondary ive seen it visually and in an auditory sense..MInd you the secondary is wound bifiliar and one end of the outer wire is connected to the primary end and grnd. no power used??? The second wire off the bifiilar coil is what is of interest that needs the readings...Think again about your whole veiw of free energy and realize that the power from those terminals is not free yet can be swung to enourmous levels and only through proper timing. Its obvious some power used since you can see the gap act different...when that secondary is in use... Happy new year
Joe
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:)
i am a good guy with nothing more then the best intentions
for this messed up world
NOW LET THIS BE KNOWEN THAT IF 1 MAY CLAM THIS WORK TO BE THERE OWN .....THEY ARE WRONG !!!!!!!!!
THIS IS TESLAS WORK
CANT YOU READ HIS WORDS?
NUF SAID
HISTEAM!!
well if you all think this simple circuit is all i have let it be knowen that that is wrong
i have looked in to many things that go far Bond what will be posted here ;)
so go ask yourself who is laughing cuz this is not a laughing matter
wake up people
do any of you know of purity?? hummmm
as i said these are only the first few small steps down the rabbit hole
and already fighting
well ..................
it is not a matter of who has done what but a matter of what the bigger picture is .........
it all comes down to the good the bad and the ugly does it not ?!?!?!?!?!
the good = god the bad = the devil and the ugly = our reality
what choice will you make ?
i know mine ;D
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@erfinder
Sorry to hear of such a betrayal of agreement but the holding back is hard, very hard, and people are not made of stone and are bound to crack. But in all honesty, you cannot blame anyone but yourself.
IS is not dumb or you would not have shown him what you did. IS is action, not words. IS builds and does not only speak. He is a true OUer in every sense. But we all have our flaws.
Maybe IS is the way for you to receive your boot in the rump to start teaching some real useful things, not that you have not done this, with thanks for every word, but that you needed someone to come and make the decision for you, since you may have a problem in deciding this on your own. Geez, we are only human.
Your explanation of Tesla's ozone patent now makes so much sense that it is going to stay with me forever and will determine my next trials.
While you are pondering the right time to explain things, the world is sliding even deeper into the hands of those who hold the power sources. IS's seemingly open betrayal of your trust is only one reflection of the worlds desperation to find the answers. He did not betray you in private to others so you would not know about this. He did it out in the open and he knew the consequences. This shows his love for man is greater than his respect for one, which is noble.
Consider this. Man cannot be right in everything, even you cannot. So maybe IS is the answer you have been waiting for, the push you need to stop holding back and shoot it out there. WE NEED IT NOW. Not in a decade when our minds will grow another 30% with controlled crap. Or are you afraid of the responsibility or is your perceived level of responsibility greater in your mind then it would be in reality.
What I mean is you are not responsible for what you divulge, not any more then Henry Ford is responsible for the car death of one of my best friends with whom I played classical guitar for over 10 years, not any more then the man who invented skyscrapers is responsible for the felled twin towers, not anymore then he who invented the nuclear bomb is responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
So I think this event is your opportunity to really examine your own personal criteria on when to speak out to the world.
But whatever you decide, we will always be grateful for your insight and know that within these OU walls, you will always have a welcome home.
@IS
You are hereby sentenced to 100 push ups, 100 sit ups and 15 minutes in the corner. Bad boy. Good move though. Shows you care. Secrets are what is killing this world.
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8)
how does the world end
well
not the way we like .......
however positive thought will always provail
altho in the fight the good will lose sad as it is it is true
in 2012 Horus 's eye will blink in that blink it will be very bad >:(
what happins when the cat is out the mouse will play ........
ist
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CzYuQilPPG0
now when we listen to this song what is your take? also look at frame 56-58 sec. in this vid what does than mean ??
there always to sides to every coin look hard at that and tell me what that means
i take this symbol as a lighting strike how about you !?!?!?
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Ok enough with the soap opera---- everyone back to work---- move along nothing to see here ;D
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forward motion is the Way ;)
shall we carry on
all BS aside we have a goal
this goal is free energy
step up erfinder as it was you that found the gates to the truth
i have done what my skills can so far
i have played my roll and will continue to play my roll
please play your cards
if you won't i know some one that will and so do you
this entire project has been a TEAM effort
why make a mess of it NOW
WE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH BEOND ANY DOUBT
cuz we cant change the truth it will remain the same ;D
ist
give me a word give me a sign show me where to look tell me what will i find?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
THE TRUTH
LOVE IS IN THE WATER LOVE IS IN THE AIR SHOW ME WHERE TO LOOK TELL ME WILL LOVE BE THERE !?!?!?!?!
hummmmmmm
TEACH ME HOW TO SPEEK TEACH ME HOW TO SHARE TELL ME WHERE TO GO TELL ME WILL LOVE BE THERE !?!?!?!?!?!
NOW
tell me i cant get water from a stone lol
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WHERE IS YOU MAN WAIT FOR YOU
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To those who replicate:
Could you tell me where do you get your motors?
Do you manufacture them, or is it possible to find suitable ones from other electrical appliances?
Thanks a lot
Greg
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I worked with Erfinder right from the start.....none of his work is his at all....To replicate Tesla's patent is a simple task....The fact is that Tesla says you will get 85% back....not OU.
The OU come from the MT because it could amplify both voltage and current.
That is not to say the ozone machine is useless....for it can generate other gasses and compounds....
If Marconi cannot call his work his own...then Erfinder cannot also...for they both use Tesla circuits and they are free to anyone....
Just the other day i showed Erfinder how to make a flouro tube into a capacitor....here you can see mine....no wires or machines of fields near me or the tube.
I've showed Erfinder loads of things.....lol.
I have a 300 volt generator that runs off a car battery....if i then step down the output voltage to 14.4 volts....will it recharge my battery? of course not!!!
It may appear that the battery has 14.4 volts, but the power going in is less that what goes into the 300v generator.....so the battery will die.
Scotty
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Erfinder my good friend you are so very correct
and i do apologize but we will not make this take a life time i tell you this
why
cuz i will loose intrest
lol
i want to fly i have been held back far too much
i say this now FORGET SOLID STATE IT IS JUNK!!!!
if you work on ss you lead away from the truth and will not find the truth
don't get me wrong i did not say solid state wont work cuz it will but it will leave you in the cold!!!
must i demonstrate my multi meter being shut off by the pulse ?
hummmmm....
any ways
yes patience is a big thing that i laque but i am no diffrent than all of you
we are growing ...... let us all grow together as 1 in the mind
ist
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@erfinder
I just thought I would throw in a smart-ass comment to stir things up a bit LOL ;D
It's a new year and we are still here and kicking, probably better off than most people in this world, I should be grateful to have a place to talk with like minded people and make smart-ass remarks in fun--- and I am.
Best Regards to all
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;) ;) :o :o :o 8) 8)
now
i will make this correction in my previous words
i said that positive thought will all ways provial this is correct but i also said that the good will lose
HA!
what can i say i was WRONG hey I'm only human but do you even think you know what it is to be human !1/!?!?1?!?1!?!
well i do
and i think i am ready for my name but ya all know what??? you all know my name ;)
cuz i wanna go where EVERYBODY knows my name ......... :)
so do you think you are ready for the truth ?!?!?!?!
i am telling it right here for you
i am a bubble in the bottle............
just watch this and hurry and catch up to the rest of us :)
and above all else know who and exactly what you are ;D
i will walk and talk and teach THE TRUTH ~~~~~~~WITH OUT FEAR~~~~~~
cuz it is the only way learn to ask the questions ...............
HISTEAM!!
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461
wake up all human life forms wake up !!!
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I found some interesting aspects to currents of high frequency and potential, in an inductor its field could be considered external acting outwards(the magnetic component). In a capacitor its field could be considered as acting inward as an electrostatic tension between the conductors. Now if we look at Teslas patent 512340 Coil For Electro-Magnets we see the thick primary on the outside and the thin long secondaries on the inside spiralling inward :o Which field do you think he is trying to use here? An external magnetic field or an inward acting electrostatic field?
It is also very interesting regarding the capacitive field that if a circuit was connected to only one wire of the high potential secondaries and this circuit was an open circuit, that any loads in this circuit could only interact with the secondaries as a capacitance----because that is the only way it could realistically ----- there can be no current flow in an open circuit.
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;)
i know Bond any doubt who i am
my challenge to all of you and i do mean all of you :o
know Bond any doubt who you are 8)
and remember who he is ......
also let it be know en i was electrocuted at 6 months ;) :) 8)
discover what electricity is......
ist
added
lets see how far we've come.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiYKq64G2m0
hummmm........
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I_S,
Tell the truth?
No one owes you or anyone else shite.
You want the "truth" - go find it! - and stop trying to weasle it out of everyone you think knows something. If someone wants you to know something - they will tell you without you having to ask.
(I've only asked one person how their device was configured and I was ashamed to do that. What a schmuck I am.)
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Can i be From Russia with love or The man with the Golden Gun ..
Only i will know ;D...
@IS
So if your about truth now why not stop with your double spaced nonsense and seriously explain to the best of your ability how your using this tech ,
your exact power in used and the power out that supposedly free in this case.
And i dont want some bs where you say i can charge the cap as a much as i want if i pulse it... actually take a few measurements...
1) An easy one is to take a 12v battery , put resistive load on it meaning a bulb and let the battery die untill the bulb is out. Write that time down along with starting and ending voltages .. charge the battery full do this again write the times down, the comparison should be approx the same this will tell you your battery is still good. If the numbers are more that 20 mins apart, kill the battery and charge it again as so if there still very far apart throw out the battery or build a bedini rig..and get new one .
2) Now that you have a control power source hook this battery up to your device do whatever you do to hook it up, and charge your cap like you claim works so well . Now comes the part you wont like.. put a load on this cap or a diode off of it to a load. Let this run the test load for say 20-30 mins. Now disconnect everything from your battery
This question makes the most of them all. Hook the resistive load back to the battery with nothing else and time it till it dies... This is the easiest way ive found for testing batteries to check if there good and to get a VISUAL TIME INDICATION of the power you used.. This is not a joke yet an easy way to figure out if all this energy is FREE as your saying it is... Erfinder makes good points but id like you to back your own words up.
Joe
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recalled
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i have to agree with u grump, I_S sould stop his BS....i agree with u as well Ljoe....i see nothing but bs come from this jackass and then he has the balls to seek/ask for investers...really makes me laff ::) ::) ::)
I_S,
Tell the truth?
No one owes you or anyone else shite.
You want the "truth" - go find it! - and stop trying to weasle it out of everyone you think knows something. If someone wants you to know something - they will tell you without you having to ask.
(I've only asked one person how their device was configured and I was ashamed to do that. What a schmuck I am.)
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568,177 Apparatus for Producing Ozone
It may seem instant to you but in fact it's not. For a certain finite amount of time, current flows in order to charge up the capacitor. There is an energy "cost" (your term) to do that. But that energy is not lost: it's stored in the capacitor and you get it back when you discharge the capacitor. Energy is conserved.