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EMdevices

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2008, 12:45:14 AM »
Most TPU researchers would benefit from a DETOUR through Tesla land.

why do I say that?   Well, try and build a Tesla coil and tune it and learn how it operates, and then with that knowledge you can come back to theTPU research invigorated and full of understanding.

Tesla was a great man for his time, but current science has surpassed him.   Don't get upset at this, it's just the way things are.  In a few years others will surpass what we acomplish.   Tesla realy stood out in front of the pack, exloring unique aspects of electrodynamics.   I wonder what would attract Tesla's interests now a days?  If he were living today would be be researching Superconductors?  Would he be into the atom smashing projects trying to understand the fundamental pieces of nature?  Would he be working in advanced electromagnetic radar absorbing materials?   Radio Astronomy?   Medical Imaging perhaps?   Control Theory and Chaos theory? Semiconductors and VLSI integration?  Would he be a computer nerd?  Who knows, maybe all of them.

To clarify once again for the people that think they know, but know superficialy,  Tesla played with interesting things, and to the uneducated individual he is way ahead of you and very mysterious.  But to the educated electrical engineer of today, Tesla is old stuff.  We have systems that resonate today in ways that tesla could only imagine.  His intelect did penetrate forward into the unknown, but he also made scientific blunders and made statements that now are know to be wrong.  But hey, everybody did at one time or antoher.

1) He played with RC and made his little submarine,  well now the RC discipline is very mature and we no longer build primitive devices like his, when we can use small effiecient RF modules and servos.

2) He conceived the AC polyphase systems, and this is probably his most world changing invention.  We still use it today and will continue for some time, although semiconductors are creating a mini revolution in how power is distrubuted and how motors are run.

3) The Tesla coil, more of an entertainment device in today's scientific community, still draws admiration from the learned and unleared alike.  A high voltage amplifying system using standing waves resonace, but proven not to be overunity like some believe.  The displays we see take LOTS of power to produce.  One note, some people produce High Voltage from a iron core transformer a lots of turns in the secondary and confuse it with Tesla's coil, and it's not.   Like I said before, the uniqueness of his invention is that it utilizes standing waves, you don't get that in a iron core transformer, you get normal LC resonance (if hooked to a capacitor) and normal flux induction in the coil  (it's a highly coupled transformer, vs the Tesla coil which is a weakly coupled tranformer, and that with only the botom few turns of the secondary)  We should also say that the top loading sphere plays a great role in building up the voltage.  A sharp wire will leak current right out into the air ionizing it, but the sphere (due to it's large radius) can build to a higher voltage before ionization takes place since the intensity of the Electric field is lower on a larger sphere of the same potential)

4)  Tesla also made contributions to radio and some argue that he is the true inventor of "radio".   There is not doubt he was right there with marconi and others and has a ton of patents, regardless, his techniques are old and primitive from our modern persepctive.  Wireless sciences are well defined now and we are invade by wireless equipment, from cell phones to WiFi gadgest, bluetooth, and the few dinosaur in our back yards  (huge AM towers  LOL  :) 

5) Other stuff like turbine, vibrators, medical equipment, etc... met with various success, but most of them outdated concepts , or perhaps outdated in their original presentation since we certainly have big ariliners flying around with tubine engines, and a whole slew of medical equipment.

So what's the point of all this?  The point is that science has moved on, and if you want to understand physics, electrodyanamics, take a class at your local university. Take a lab class and play around and learn the principles.  Tesla has nothing "new" to offer that's not thought in school at one lever or another.  For example when I read his patents I know exactly what he is talking about, albeit it takes me a while due to the style of his writing and the language he used, but it's the same with other writings from that era.   Knowledge realy hasn't been lost at all.  Tesla himself gave a few lectures to the IEEE electrical engineering society, he's not an outsider by any means.

Ok enough of my rambling,  I'll go create some Tesla sparks now  LOL :)

EM

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2008, 01:01:53 AM »
stay tuned.........



much more to come

welcome to his wonderful world of truth



seek and ye shall find ......

disect and ye shall discover .......

and hey if you all find the time do your self a favor and find an old microwave  ;)

have a look at the circuit  :o

perhaps this is the first step to understanding  8)

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« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 01:34:12 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2008, 01:22:47 AM »
I have a spare magnetron from a microwave oven, but I don't dare turn that puppy on    :D
I'm too young for cataracts     ;)

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2008, 01:32:10 AM »
Tesla was a great man for his time, but current science has surpassed him.   Don't get upset at this, it's just the way things are.  In a few years others will surpass what we acomplish.   Tesla realy stood out in front of the pack, exloring unique aspects of electrodynamics.   I wonder what would attract Tesla's interests now a days?  If he were living today would be be researching Superconductors?

What is one wire conduction? inductive or capacitive? can I yell supercuductor yet? Seem to remember a researcher named Avramenko sending over many many Kilo Watts over a wire thinner than a human hair........

Would he be into the atom smashing projects trying to understand the fundamental pieces of nature

Probably not, He would probably have consulted those who admittedly had a better understanding than him.......

"Bury your ideas in a vault for a thousand years to await the unfolding of human consciousness to comprehend your vision."  -Telsa- (to walter russell)


Would he be working in advanced electromagnetic radar absorbing materials?   Radio Astronomy?   Medical Imaging perhaps?  

"signalling to mars - a problem of electrical engineering"
"talking with planets"
"Teslas's latest advances in vacuum-tube lighting, application of tubes of high illuminating power to photography and other perposes."
"On the Roentgen Streams"
"Roetgen Rays or streams"
"Electrical progress.* On Apparatus for Cathography, By Nicola Tesla"
"On Roentegen Radiations"
"Teslas Latest Results* he now produces radiographs at a distance of more than forty feet"
(all tesla articles published and open to the public!)

Im sure if he were still around, he would laugh, at least a little.


Control Theory and Chaos theory

Need we prepetuate this entropic view any longer?

Getting tired..........

innovation_station

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2008, 02:40:13 AM »
my pic simply shows most of the parts inside a microwave


the magnetron is not used in any of my experiments i have tyred

and i do not intend on anyone one playing with it

i saved it for the magnets that is all

 the transformer cap  and other goodies is what  i am after  ;)

yes i will be making a video showing a RF flame that can not come from the source battery as i will demonstrate in my simple video

the RF flame is produced when the power is cut from the source this is the kick back bemf re Fe hell call it what you want this is your whole power which we are currently not using  properly

i have built  things yes and so can all of you

but it all begins right here in properly comprehending this pattend


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« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 03:37:55 AM by innovation_station »

armagdn03

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2008, 03:39:44 AM »
Sorry if I come off wrong here.  But...

All very cute this thread.  The dummy book is funny at the start.  Tesla might be proud, maybe not, to see his face cropped to a dummies book.  Can we do Einstein next?

So anyone of the people here posting all this done anything we can do (replicate) and see the point here (their OU)?  Sure there will be comments, but I would just like you to comment with "your" OU project that "you" have done and show the OU before you put Tesla's face in a "are you guys stupid book"?

Do I count on the power company to power the magnetron for my next project that will probably hurt me?  How do I power this?

The year 2008 has nothing to do with what this forum is about, but some use it as a "hey look at me" advertisement.  Grant it I hope we find it this year.

And a little text with a cropped picture of someone that in their day did a lot and a PDF generator.

That is disrespectful.

Nothing posted in this thread is new here.  Even the patent numbers seem to be the same as the year before and the year before that... repeated a few times.

If you want to explain what you think you read that is fine.  But a mockery, that is sad.

"Much to come", I think I saw that in an ad too.

Tesla, in his time, did a lot.  I respect and read, like many others I read about form our past.  And as I read, MANY others here in this forum do.

Tesla did not have an itouch or blackberry (hate that phone) or computer with windows (hate that OS).   Maybe that goes to people heads now.  Got me.

We have come a long way in trying to figure it all out.  Can we get to the point, and just type a name of a person (new or old) and not use their picture (respect the dead that laid a road for many).  Just make your point, show the texts/diagrams and leave it at that. 

This is why I never get serious here.  I come here when I am done with my work, not as it is part of my work.

Now you want to show the TPU people what they need to know (hum, how many pages on that are here (before you TPU guys get upset, anything working yet?)).  I am so excited that this thread summed it up in 2 pages.  That would have saved years of reading and a lot of peoples time and money.

[insert] Now a post from someone that knows a person with a working TPU or OU device, or a nasty post/comment from someone that thinks I am picking on someone here they hang/agree with them or a post because they are JUST WRONG to do it this way[/insert]

And, Tesla invented radio?  No, I think the Sun was there first doing that and the Earth received it.  Glad the Sun is still here now..


Well said my friend!

However (isnt there always a "but"?) Mine is a personal quest for the understanding of nature. I am quite satisfied in my learnings and have shat quite a few bricks recently. (though I am Faaaaaaaaaaar from done)

I owe nothing to anyone, save one, who would probably argue this point.........therefore I simply offer direction as it was offered to me.

I have made no claims, and posted only one build which is not mine (the concept at least)
The truth is self evident and will come out in time.

Please if you have something to offer, wonderful! but remember

positive atracts positive...............you should all know the rest.

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2008, 03:43:27 AM »
I need a microwave right when my parents decide to take away our only working one...what are the odds?  Finding a damn microwave is hard as hell because no one throws ANYTHING away in this damned town!!

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2008, 04:47:38 AM »
I need a microwave right when my parents decide to take away our only working one...what are the odds?  Finding a damn microwave is hard as hell because no one throws ANYTHING away in this damned town!!
Go buy one.

700 W Sylvania at Sams Club for $35.

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2008, 05:01:09 AM »
Oooo me likey cheap microwave!  Thank you Aegis!!

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2008, 05:10:53 AM »
Oooo me likey cheap microwave!  Thank you Aegis!!

You can also try in a repair shop, they prob have some useless microwave to give or sell for cheaper

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2008, 06:33:03 AM »
has anyone on this forum actually built  a working TPU? (one that will light up light bulbs)

are there any videos of any working TPU's besides Stephen Marks'?

there is just SO MUCH posted about this device, that i cant seem to find an answer to either question.

thanks all,
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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2008, 07:11:14 AM »
a simple video i made demonstrating the kick bemf re fe full electricity  call it what you will


there it is


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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2008, 03:23:07 PM »
nice video IS,   you say towards the end  "if only we knew what to do with it"  :)

My suggestion:

1)  Understand how it gets created

2)  Use the knowledge gained to harvest it efficiently or in more abundace.

3)  Then put it to work.

Simple right?   LOL  :)

EM

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2008, 03:57:45 PM »
well that is only the kick and a very poor  way to produce it

meaning not efficient at all

yes i know a lot about this little kick

and i am sharing every thing i know of this

with everyone

or i will rephrase it every thing i think i know lol

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Re: Tell The TRUTH
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2008, 05:06:27 PM »
Didn't SM mention that he switched a resistor in the line before he did his spark/flame?