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Offline T-1000

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6240 on: August 19, 2021, 03:53:00 PM »
Very interesting T-1000 - glad see some activity after some years on Muller.

I assume the Gruamge videos are yours but they are back in 2015. Have you make
more progress lately?


Norman

Not much progress after that due life things / funding / etc.


There is also challenge presented on the rotor due Eddy currents on the rotor plates. Which is causing heat losses and need to be approached like in transformer.


That research is all open so anyone can pick up where it was left at and come up with actual generator design. The core working principles was tested and are all good in the model. And it needs someone with time / money / machine shop to come up with more finalised and optimised generator design.



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« Reply #6241 on: August 19, 2021, 05:00:42 PM »
Thanks T-1000 for your quick reply and status of your work.

here is the wave energy url that I tracked down.

https://vimeo.com/21026974?from=outro-embed best

http://wavestarenergy.com/

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6242 on: August 19, 2021, 10:41:09 PM »
If you wish to get more efficiency, there is a little math and a little logic to follow:
The braking force value is:

Fb = B x I x L.   (1)

B is the magnetic flux (Tesla). I is the current (Ampers). L is the inductance (Henry). We see there is only the current involved, not the voltage - so we can work with as many volts as possible just like Tesla did. We have to learn from the best. So when I is high - meaning there is a big load connected to the output - then the rotor will slow if the output coils are the same as in the original schematic.

We must also remember the following formula:

P = U x I   (2)

P is the power in Watts, U is voltage, I is ampers. 

In his working experiment - back in 2011 he said he had some unfortunate encounter with some people dressed in black suits - he put some magnets on top of the coils and made a lot of adjustments before he managed to run the system... suspended in the air with no battery connected at all.  He modified the value of B in such a way that Fb became very very small and - according to that video which is no longer available - the system became self-running. In a private conversation with RomeroUK he stated that the rotor should be as heavy as possible to compensate any disturbances caused by improper pulse timings and any existing braking forces. I told him about this method, I think these details are here on the thread.

Now: if anyone wants to do this properly, the braking force must be canceled. RomeroUK did it by modifying the magnetic flux. We can not modify the inductance, but we can play with the current: 
If the copper wire is thick, then there is big current.  If copper wire is thin (let's say 0.1 or 0.05mm) then there is very very very small current, less than 1 amp.

So if we analyse equation (1)    then  we see the Fb becomes smaller if we multiply (B*L) with something smaller than 1 (I mean 0.00.... amps).
But if we increase the voltage to... let's say a few (tens of) thousands of volts, the available power value (watts) will still be big - look at relation (2).

So:  install 6 x automobile induction coils/ high voltage secondary CRT TV flyback transformer windings  and experiment with both original ferromagnetic cores and AM-radio coil cores  (for the automobile coils). 3 coils on top, 3 coils on bottom. They have the same diameter. And install 4 x pulse coils built according to RomeroUK schematics:  two on top, two on bottom, the TIP-series transistors and so on.  Three-phased system. Keep as many magnets on the rotor as you want. 

If no automobile coils are available, then old B&W CRT TV high voltage secondary winding from flyback transformers are also good.

Do not use rectifiers on these high voltage coils. They become hot, which means there is power loss. We don't want that in the high voltage section.

Connect the output high voltage coils in a multiphased star connection.  Get 3 x microwave oven transformers. Connect one of each ~2kV winding terminal to the neutral. Use 3 spark gaps (automobile spark plugs) to discharge each phase to the remaining free terminals of each microwave oven transformer.

Now - here comes the tricky part:  install the rectifiers on the ~220V windings of each transformer, THEN connect all the direct current outputs in parallel (same voltage, three times the current).  The ~220V winding wire is thick, which means the current is higher.
We need the same power in Watts but transported at a lower voltage, so the step-down transformers are doing a great job. Same as long-range electricity transport: it is done at high voltages and low amps so power loss through heat is kept at minimum.

The two equations say that (1) the Fb is very very very small when some load is connected, and (2) there will be enough power (watts) left to do the job.

Start the system and see what happens. There will be sparks and discharges. There will be some voltage output on the step-down side, with bigger amps. Available power output will be something like 80...90% of power input. Transformer is not perfect and it is designed to work at 50....60 cycles per second.

Adjustments:  distance between the electrodes of spark plugs should be tuned. Distance between ferromagnetic cores and the rotor magnets needs to be adjusted. RomeroUK's method with additional magnets is also very very important, it should never be ignored and it is one-of-a-kind: impossible to replace with any microcontroller+software. Some capacitors connected in parallel with the high voltage coils, or in parallel with spark plugs may help get more energy output ("resonance").  Later - move the three pairs of high voltage coils such as the angle between each two of them is 120 degrees and probably a re-design an 'all-in-one' step-down transformer will be necessary.

First experiment should be performed with three phases just like Tesla did with his generators. Three phases keep the rotating system stable. More phases complicate the system. Less than three phases will cause vibrations. First test is:  how much power gets in, how much power gets out.

This is a rather radical approach with great help from Mathematics - and many experimenting people ignore its great help. Now when energy prices are getting sky high, mathematics may help. I tested Math and it did help me get access to lots of boobs after repairing old, vacuum-tube-based CRT TVs decades ago.

Also - I think a microcontroller will do a better job than those magnetic proximity sensors. Some timing curve can be adjusted in software - just like automobile computer controllers for injection-based engines.

This is my idea from many years ago. Is there any way to improve it?

Is there anyone capable to draw a 3-D representation of such a 3-phased muller generator system - 4x pulse coils, 6x high voltage automobile induction coils, three spark plugs, three microwave oven transformers, the wiring (same as romeroUK schematics) and the mechanical part?

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6243 on: August 19, 2021, 10:48:33 PM »
thanks T-1000 thanks for sharing, i'm willing to try, i have some knowledge in electronics, and some tools, but i need some assistance, if you will have time to guide me okay, i'm ready to try
best regard
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6244 on: August 20, 2021, 03:52:10 AM »
This is my idea from many years ago. Is there any way to improve it?
You have to throw away current conventional generator design out of the window then approach new design with thinking out of the box.


Questions to answer for ourselves to everyone:


1) Which way the opposing and repelling magnets have least resistance when moving them around?
2) What you can do with magnets to cause least resistance when the magnetic polarity of the coil changes every time when magnets approach and leave shorted coil (worst case scenario)?
3) What happens when you introduce long enough iron chunk between two repelling magnets?


I will give a hint for the first question and the for the remaining two you will need to find answers yourselves with hands-on experimenting. Answering to all three questions correctly will lead to similar generator design approach I just shared before.


When you want to separate two very strong magnets you do not use force to unstick them directly. Much less force is required when you slide them to the sides. Apply that in generator design.


And sorry, no existing theory will lead you to simple geometric force vectors solution for making Lenz effect to work for you and not against you.




Cheers,
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6245 on: August 21, 2021, 07:35:04 PM »
thank you T-1000 for the clues, it also gives me some idea, I will put all the equipment in place, and I will come back to share the results
best regards stiplanet

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6248 on: August 25, 2021, 08:14:21 PM »
Hi all,


Cogging can be used in your favor to overcome lenz.


The right speed and position of the coils is very important.


When you get the right speed the cogging will work for you otherwise no gain. This takes a lot of time to get it right.


I was expecting that some people will realise that the top coils are not perfectly inline with the bottom coils.


When built, the top or the bottom coils disc holder should be able to rotate slightly to each side.


Some coils are top and bottom in series while other are oposing fileds.


I hope this helps with future research.


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« Reply #6249 on: August 26, 2021, 07:55:43 PM »
thank  you Romero for the information, if you could illustrate with a small diagram for us the new ones who have just started on the subject
thanks best regard Stiplanet

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6250 on: September 19, 2021, 01:34:16 AM »
I just returned after quite a few years. Still catching up on the builds I was so interested in before. So forgive me if these questions have been answered already. This post has a massive amount of messages to go through.


First off, i found this nice little wind turbine generator for sale that claims of no cogging. Any idea the general design they are using to do this? Is it similar idea to the offset number of magnets amd coils like Muller dynamo uses or is there another way they are doing it? Here is the generator I'm referring to. Nothing special, just a no cog wind turbine generator being sold.
https://windandsolar.com/vertical-axis-wind-turbine-motor/


Next question. Seems there hasnt really been any steps forward in over 10 yrs from RomeroUK design and videos. Have I missed something? Also, I haven't found the specs for coil builds and magnets he used. I have built quite a few pulse motor and ideas I've had in the past, and I would like to work on a few ideas I've had kicking around in the old noodle for years. If anyone can point me to the specs if things have changed I would appreciate it. I cant wait to begin another build! Also... special thanks to RomeroUK for sharing your build.

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« Reply #6251 on: September 21, 2021, 05:16:10 AM »
   On the no cogging / little cogging part, I am doing a gen head with twin rotors NSNSNS each and offset by one. 12 coil, 10 magnet so as to have only the two opposite coils in line at any time. Tune it to rpm for best output.
thay  hopes that is of help

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« Reply #6252 on: September 21, 2021, 03:05:58 PM »
 helll all what is the best shape the coil should have, triangular, circular, square, i need to start building my coils
thanks best regards STIPLANET

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6253 on: September 21, 2021, 04:07:31 PM »
If you wish to get more efficiency, there is a little math and a little logic to follow:
The braking force value is:

Fb = B x I x L.   (1)

B is the magnetic flux (Tesla). I is the current (Ampers). L is the inductance (Henry).
...

Hello skaarj,
I offer a correction to your #1 equation, which is simplified Lorentz law. The symbol 'L' refers to Length, not inductance.
Regards,
bi

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6254 on: September 21, 2021, 04:49:41 PM »
hello Bistander your answer is related to my question on the shape of the coil
thanks best regards STIPLANET

 

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