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Khwartz

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5520 on: January 26, 2012, 11:30:20 AM »
Hi Marius! thanks for your reply and the details I wanted to know :)
So good run to your crazy speed-motor!
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5521 on: January 26, 2012, 12:09:15 PM »
Hi Marius,
    Can you pls. post a schematic for your driving circuit, its hard to see in the video's what parts you have used, as im planning to use it as my driving circuit for my muller project... with your circuit using less amps we might have a higher chance for a looper... ::)
     Thanks in advance...


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5522 on: January 26, 2012, 03:47:53 PM »
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Khwartz

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Fundamental lows for overuntiy, by Patrick J. Kelly
« Reply #5523 on: January 26, 2012, 04:01:31 PM »
For Kone, Marius and all:

"The number of times that an electron is cycled, sets the collective energy potential present. The electrical equivalent of E = mC2 is E = (Volts x Amperes) x (Cycles Per Second)2."

"In resonant air-core coil energy transfer, the increase in flux lines present disturbs more electrons than previously, resulting in over-unity energy being present and available.
Energy stored, times the cycles per second, represents the energy being pumped by the system. Capacitors and inductors store electrons temporarily.

Capacitor formula: W = 0.5 x C x E x Cycles per second where:

W = energy in Joules (Watt Seconds )
C = capacitance in farads
E = applied potential in volts squared.

Inductor (Coil) formula: W = 0.5 x L x I x Cycles per second where:

W = energy in Joules (Watt Seconds )
L = inductance in henrys
I = current in amperes squared

Both one henry, and one farad, equal one volt. The higher the cycles per second, including the squaring of the flux lines, cause a large increase in the amount of energy being produced.

The above combined with a resonant energy induction system (where all electrons are moving in the same direction at the same time), make the next move into over-unity practical"

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Smith.pdf

As I could understand researches in non-linear effect, leads to the fact that would be in plasma or even a ordinary gravitational pendulum, there is a threshold of "tension" (voltage) under which a pendulum always need to be sustain by more energy to be maintained its level of energy, but up to this threshold, the movement can increase infinitely when reach a phenomenon of self-resonance.

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~fajans/Autoresonance/Autoresonance.htm

Looks Don Smith said that when resonance is reached it's like superconductance phenomenon and inductance become zero.

For me, I suppose that the high frequencies makes in addition to the last point, a Venturi like effect, but with particles around the wires and coils, that make the same as vacuum-pumps, but with EM fields and waves.

So I would say that more the rotor speed-up, as we increase the frequency of the pics and feeds cycles of caps, more we have chances to reach that point where self-resonnance could be achieved, and so, overunity too.

Wishing it could help :)

Cheers.

This I think is to compare with 

Cheers.

konehead

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5524 on: January 26, 2012, 08:41:12 PM »
hi Mariu
thats not a boring video I think - it is great to watch...
what size is that AC cap that you put into circuit via black alligator clip that makes it run much lower in draw?
Does this AC cap go across the coil, or the swithicng?
When you run it back to the big battery, I notice draw does go up a little, but it seems to "sound" better however...
Can you check the amperage going into that big battery with an ammeter in line?
It could be that the same amount of amps going into the battery is also what the small amount of draw increase to the motor coil is, so there might or might not be a "gain".
Those directionals are fun to use as motor coil pulsers arent they - it could be since that way is meant to swtich AC, when you switch DC with them, their ability to swtich AC realy helps in pulling out all of the backemf/recoil of the motor coil...
I think you can improve this even more if you "switch-out" the backemf/recoil, especially what fills up the big battery at particular points in the rotation - try about 5 degrees retarded to the motor coil pulse and overlapping a bit, so you  make sure the backemf switch is ON, and is connecting the diode(s) (or FWBR) to the battery (or cap) at instant motor coil switch opens...
For "backemf switch" put another bidirection mosfets like you have already (IRFP460) on that diode that hits battery would be good place for it in what you have - so that this 2nd backemf swtich connects the battery to charge only when this 2nd swtihc is ON....have same type hall effect and same way to trip hall effect as your motor coil circuit is already so it would be easy to do..
 
when using bidirectional mosfets for motor coil switching, I like to use a FWBR to pull out the backemf/recoil power - put one AC leg of bridge on DRAIN #1 and other AC leg on DRAIN #2 - then DC into DC type capapcitor (this would "replace" you AC cap more or less but maybe leaving the AC cap in place as is will make it better)
 
wiht coil shorting, (other subject) you should have some of those IRFP460s in paralell - so maybe 4 or 5 in paraell on each side of bidirectional mosfets so 8 or 10 total number of mosfets you would need......having very low resistance and high amperage ability to the coil-shorting event is super important - this is my latest theory why your coil shorting had lenz lugging to it last time you tested it out....when you put mosfets bidiretional, it makes resistance higher too, so have at least a couple of those IRRP460s paralell on "each side" of the bidirecitonal mosfets...
Also I got my pulse width (at 60hz sinewave to coils) to be only .25 milliseconds or mabye even less, so the coil-short is jsut a very narrow slit on the scope - and caps fill up just as fast if not faster as 1ms or 2 ms, (which at that pulse width does cause some lenz lugging)
With your  high rpm motor, you are going to probably need very very very narrow pulse width to coil shorting....I could never of got down to .25ms unless I did the pulsewidth adjust method with the bidirectional mosfets using one into another - one bidimosfet normally-OFF switches-ON and other bidimosfet normally ON switches OFF and connect them ins series  and each with own hall effect and distance between hall effects will determine pulse width...for this I needed the 4421 and the 4422 drivers so one can normally ON and other normally OFF....
I think also what you have now will be improved if you use a driver chip - it will slam off much faster, and harder, the mosfet, and you will catch more backemf it iwll also turn ON quicker, and harder too, so a little more punch to the pulse....that is what they say anyways! There are 4421 and 4422 drivers on EBAY if you can't find any....sooner or later you should start using them - it would be nice to leave everything as is in your present motor coil pulsing circuit and put in a driver, and see if there really is any dramatic difference....they arent hard to hook up - jsut a couple resistors and couple of caps and power supply for halls also powers the driver...

 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5525 on: January 26, 2012, 09:02:06 PM »
Hi Mariu
One more thing, in your circuit you drew up for Khwartz, where and what is that "100ohms"...is that a resistor across the source and gate of 2nd mosfet??
OR is that typo and you meant to say 100uf, and that is the AC cap??
do you  have only one 10K resistor across only the first mosfet as the pull-down resistor??
 
 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5526 on: January 26, 2012, 09:12:43 PM »
Hi Khwartz
 
here is the simple coil-shorting circuit below for a rotor-magnet induced generator coil, this doesnot have the pulse-width adjust to it either to make it simple)  this is not a motor/coil drive circuit....I do not have an output-cirucit for the cap in this, 
but look at the 2nd drawing - this is a backemf/recoil circuit, (also without any pulse-width adjsut to make simple)  for a motor/drive coil  (NOT a coil-shorting cirucit)
and it shows a simple "two stage" output circuit for it to the right in the drawing...same sort of thing should be done with the coil-shorting circuit too - idea is to have capacitor after it fills, be disconnected from the coil when the cap hits load....jsut be sure one is disconnected when other connects and vice versa so cap discharge does not effect anything else in circuit and it is completley isolated....timing and duration are things adjsutable to particular loads and speeds cap sizes, power needed etc etc jsut make sure one part is ON when other is OFF is important thing in the two-stage output circuit...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5527 on: January 26, 2012, 11:12:28 PM »
Hi Konehead!
I have deleted my latest post couse the cap accross the coil was missing. Now is there.
In my present circuit (just like the diagram) i have only 2 resistors: 10K and 100 ohm . Replacing the 10K with 100ohm i have gained more rpm, less current drain and much higher bemf.The cap accross the coil is one from a computer power source and has this written: 684j 250V; this must be 0.68uF.
In the video you can see that when i connect the positive wire to the diode, the curent drain goes up a bit just like the rpm.In this moment the returning charging current is blocked. Now, why is the rotor speeding up? first there is no lenz from those few mA that were going back into the battery and second, this little charge stayes in the AC cap and ''fights'' with the next impulse from the battery. Maybe i am totally wrong but this is how i see it.
When the rotor starts to spin with the AC cap already connected i can see the current drain oscillating 3-4 times up and down until its a constant drop

Now that i have acces to the layers of the coil i've been pumping current to the first 3 layers of the coil( around 0.4A/12V). The other 8 layers were behaving just like the secondary of a transforner. The bemf was so high that i could get a plasma arc around 3mm. But in the end,(since there is no insulation between the layers) the plasma began to discharge between the layers. It was interesting couse i could get 12V 5W light bulb lit about half brightnes with the usual less current drain from the battery. I can not do that any more couse i have no wire left to build another coil with insulation between the layers.

Today i have reduced the current drain to 15.5mA without any change in rpm. I've done this by connecting my big cap(47 000uF) in parralel with the battery. Adding other big caps in paralel tooked the current drain again to 16.5-17mA.(i'm fighting with mA again :) )

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5528 on: January 27, 2012, 06:54:10 AM »
Hi Mariu
OK thanks for the new circuit showing the AC cap...that is crazy with that 100ohm resistor across the 2nd mosfet I dont know how you came up with that idea to put a 100ohm resistaor over there!...if draw goes down and it speeds up and more bemf then nobody can complain about iit eh - but its not nomal the engineers will scream...(ha).....
Few more questions - what is that long black core-thing in your directional coil? Is that long piece of ferrite or iron?
Or it is plastic rod that you wound coil on so your coil is essentially an aircored coil?
Tos stop the burn-out, try some teflon plumbing tape wrapped really tight over each layer of winds....maybe couple layers of it - tis very thin and has very high melting temperature of around 42O farenheit dont know what celsius is....that tape is really cheap any hardware store has it. I figure it also adds in cooling of the coil too like heatsink sort of but that is something I made up...
Also next logical step with the  very nice performance motor coils you have now (besides a driver chip) is to wind them bifilar, or quadfilar, or "septfilar" (6 wires paralella nd connected series-adding) and do this as well as your difrecitonal winds too...
couple other things - Ismael Avioso gve me the idea in aircores, to wind a coil inside the primary/motor/driver coil...and this coil goes in place of where a core would normally be...thats wasted "ambient flux" inside your coil if you have no core...so you may as well pack some winds in there and collect it...Also besides this,  wrap what I call "pickup winds" (secondaries like you did with only using 4 layers as primary) all around the coil too - and dont forget the back-end of the coil;  it should have just as strong as flux as the end hitting the rotor magnets, and this is wasted energy back there so there is another place to wrap some more pikcups/secondaries....
also if wind bifilar, you can make "half" of the bifilar as
secondary too - talk about some tight induciton there eh - maybe trifilars, is better idea (three wires paralell wound) since then you can use two wire sto be the normal series-adding bifilar - which everyone knows to create a stronger magnetic field in a coil - then use the third wire as a pikcup secondary "within" the bifilar...all that done and you pretty much have no wasted energy anywhere - eveything that goes into the coil you get back out and then some.....
 
finally,  as usual like I always say' "short at peaks" all those pikcup/secondaries for very short instant, and amplify all that power you collect some more...put it all into caps, and pulse caps to a "secondary load"..... 
I got a string of 6 motor coils in series in 3-neo magnet rotor to go negative amps on the meter a few years ago - the coils were some surplus solenoid coils (aircoils - the  cores in them were taken out) these solenoids were made for HV work, and I put 6 of these 49ohm coils in series so the ratio of the voltage input compared to the impedance of the drive coils was something like 25 times...(if 12V input, then around 160ohm coils)...I dont know what happened it seemed the kickback was stronger than the intial  impulse combined with the inudtio of the rotor magnets and the kickback sort of dominated the situation - when the ammtere went negative .02Amps,  the timing of it  wasnt where the motor went the fastest - it was where the motor as a bit slower than where  you would think it should be at....I used commutator of brush and roller-bearings packed with bit electrical grease....so the commutator was super low friciton... anywasy the shaft had hardly any power but it was something to see not that exciting it was really slow...here is link of photos about this motor:
 http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/negative-current-small-pulse-motor
 
 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5529 on: January 27, 2012, 08:09:39 AM »
Hi konehead
The long core behind the driving coil is ferite. The longer the core, (the higher the inductance ) more curent returning to the battery but this creates drag too. This little toy is very sensitive to anything that i might change. Just by adding another coil with ferite will slow down a bit the rotor.
Now i have found some more pieces of wire and i'll try to make another coil with insulation bettwen the layers.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5530 on: January 27, 2012, 08:33:01 PM »
Hi Mariu
OK thanks  - thats a very long piece of ferrite...also maybe magnet stuck on back end too is something to try if you havent done that already. 
try the Teflon plumbing tape you are going to like it...
 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5531 on: January 28, 2012, 01:08:19 AM »
Hi Khwartz
 
here is the simple coil-shorting circuit below for a rotor-magnet induced generator coil, this doesnot have the pulse-width adjust to it either to make it simple)  this is not a motor/coil drive circuit....I do not have an output-cirucit for the cap in this, 
but look at the 2nd drawing - this is a backemf/recoil circuit, (also without any pulse-width adjsut to make simple)  for a motor/drive coil  (NOT a coil-shorting cirucit)
and it shows a simple "two stage" output circuit for it to the right in the drawing...same sort of thing should be done with the coil-shorting circuit too - idea is to have capacitor after it fills, be disconnected from the coil when the cap hits load....jsut be sure one is disconnected when other connects and vice versa so cap discharge does not effect anything else in circuit and it is completley isolated....timing and duration are things adjsutable to particular loads and speeds cap sizes, power needed etc etc jsut make sure one part is ON when other is OFF is important thing in the two-stage output circuit...
Hi Kone! Thanks for your reply and help.
Great materials! I've get I think very clearly now that 2 stages you spoke about and its function: to not perturb the rest of the circuit while we discharge the cap in the load :)
Is that with the position of the hall or the little magnet that we set the pulse-width adjustment in pulsing motor? or it has others uses?

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5532 on: January 28, 2012, 01:28:22 AM »
Hi Konehead!
I have deleted my latest post couse the cap accross the coil was missing. Now is there.
In my present circuit (just like the diagram) i have only 2 resistors: 10K and 100 ohm . Replacing the 10K with 100ohm i have gained more rpm, less current drain and much higher bemf.The cap accross the coil is one from a computer power source and has this written: 684j 250V; this must be 0.68uF.
In the video you can see that when i connect the positive wire to the diode, the curent drain goes up a bit just like the rpm.In this moment the returning charging current is blocked. Now, why is the rotor speeding up? first there is no lenz from those few mA that were going back into the battery and second, this little charge stayes in the AC cap and ''fights'' with the next impulse from the battery. Maybe i am totally wrong but this is how i see it.
When the rotor starts to spin with the AC cap already connected i can see the current drain oscillating 3-4 times up and down until its a constant drop

Now that i have acces to the layers of the coil i've been pumping current to the first 3 layers of the coil( around 0.4A/12V). The other 8 layers were behaving just like the secondary of a transforner. The bemf was so high that i could get a plasma arc around 3mm. But in the end,(since there is no insulation between the layers) the plasma began to discharge between the layers. It was interesting couse i could get 12V 5W light bulb lit about half brightnes with the usual less current drain from the battery. I can not do that any more couse i have no wire left to build another coil with insulation between the layers.

Today i have reduced the current drain to 15.5mA without any change in rpm. I've done this by connecting my big cap(47 000uF) in parralel with the battery. Adding other big caps in paralel tooked the current drain again to 16.5-17mA.(i'm fighting with mA again :) )
Hi Marius! Thanks for the news corrected schematic :)
A bit like you that you use external layers as secondary, i thought it could be useful to have extra winding layers around the coils to collect all the energy that could have around and see how it could be possible to inject it in the circuit until the furthers one from the axis collects no more significant power. You know like a Faraday cage that stop all the EM-RadioWaves, but the extra-surrounding coils, could collect in forms of electrical flux.
For now, you have no coil around your motor to feed a battery or caps or load, will you do that then? I would be surprised that you get more out-power even it the state of your motor than you use to turn it...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5533 on: January 28, 2012, 01:35:02 AM »
hi Khwartz
Is that with the position of the hall or the little magnet that we set the pulse-width adjustment in pulsing motor? or it has others uses?"
Not sure what you mean here - yes that is the position "in the circuit" where the hall effect goes...in an actual generator, or a motor, you would have some sort of spinning disc in synch with the motor's rotor, and have hall effects be adjsutable in their postion for best timing....adjusting the position, while the motor or generator is running is best way to go.
for pulse-width adjstument, then there are two halleffects, a mosfet (or bidirectional mosfet) connect to each...it is then not only the postion in rotational timing to adjust, but also there is the distamce between the two halleffects to adjust too, which would be the pulse width adjustment.
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5534 on: January 28, 2012, 02:40:36 AM »
hi Khwartz
Is that with the position of the hall or the little magnet that we set the pulse-width adjustment in pulsing motor? or it has others uses?"
Not sure what you mean here - yes that is the position "in the circuit" where the hall effect goes...
Hi Kone! thanks for reply :)
It was the actual position around the motor (or the other disc as you said).

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in an actual generator, or a motor, you would have some sort of spinning disc in synch with the motor's rotor, and have hall effects be adjsutable in their postion for best timing....adjusting the position, while the motor or generator is running is best way to go.
for pulse-width adjstument, then there are two halleffects, a mosfet (or bidirectional mosfet) connect to each...it is then not only the postion in rotational timing to adjust, but also there is the distamce between the two halleffects to adjust too, which would be the pulse width adjustment.
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Ok I got it for one timing for motor-generator and having a second if pulse-width adjustment. Thanks! (I start to have the big smug I had in my mind about all this starting to clear! ;) ).
Regards.