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konehead

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5505 on: January 23, 2012, 08:55:41 PM »
Hi Khwartz
the circuit of mine you chose to modify doesnt pulse a coil like a  motor coil pulsing cirucit would do, it is a coil-shorting circuit, made for generator coils induced by magnets sweeping by the generator coil, the generator coil never disconnects.....
the FWBR in it, collects power into a cap "continuoulsy" and then when those mosfets trigger ON, it then shorts the coil leads together which increases the voltage feeding the cap.....
the circuit you chose to modify does not connect or disconnect the coil to a battery or power supply then, like a pulsed motor coil circuit would do...
 

konehead

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5506 on: January 23, 2012, 09:03:16 PM »
Hi Khwartz
"Backing magnets" mean there are magnets stuck to the backside of the cores, like what Romero did...these magnets dont rotate lile the rotor magnets, they are on the backs of the cores of the coils, stationary...
I dont know if that formula you have  will work or not.
the formula for cap discharge converted to watts is:
FARAD value of capacitor being discharged  / 2
X
(volts in cap before discharge SQUARED minus the volts in cap after discharge SQUARED)
X
discharge events per second  = WATTS
 

mariuscivic

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5507 on: January 23, 2012, 10:34:56 PM »
Hi Konehead
I don't remember the connections i made between the coils and FWBR.All i remember is that i tryed everything i know without any success.
Yesterday i was running my litlle rotor with a transistor.
Today i put back the mosfets as driver and the rotor went to the same 2230rpm but this time with 16.8mA.The ''directional canon-coil'' really makes a big diference.I think every one should try these type of coil. Also today i have made another coil bifilar but with the wires twisted just like the bedini coil type.With this one i was able to take out most of the bemf and put it back to the same battery.But still there were 70mA less to make it self run.
I have said before that i could smell ozone from coil's wires; I was surprised when i could smell it from the second bifilar bedini type coil

crazycut06

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5508 on: January 24, 2012, 02:11:16 AM »
Hi all,


     I've watched again the romerouk muller motor, and guess what i found? i don't want to discourage everyone replicating this as i myself replicated this but no luck, [size=78%] but still finding ways, like others replicated this with their rig almost identical to romero's spec's were dissapointed with the results, here's the video please watch it carefully and give attention to the driving circuit to the right near the red screw driver, pls pause video to see clearly, near 10 sec.
     
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8KVU3ZM14rw
     
     1'st there is a negative wire (black) from the driving circuit going to the bridge rectifier beside it,(which woopyjump saw)
     2nd is the (red wire) to the right of the circuit soldered to the diode bridge's positive, connecting the positive rail of the generator output going to the battery (hiden under the multimeter),
     This explains why the voltage of the battery drops down as he connects the load (bulb) i was hoping that im wrong, not to give false accusations, but can someone explain this pls. for the sake of others trying to replicate that would cost their time and money....


God Bless Us All!

konehead

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5509 on: January 24, 2012, 03:56:05 AM »
Hi Crazycut
 
I dont see any battery hidden under the multimeter but maybe there is one inside of it, and the DC to DC comvertor too so its all fake so why continue eh??
 
this list has been through already what you just discovered:
 
look at posts #703, #705. #707
 
 

chalamadad

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5510 on: January 24, 2012, 10:06:48 AM »
Romero posted a new video. This is very, very identical to what my singing driver coils waveform looks like:

http://underservice.org/index.php?topic=121.msg1040#msg1040

crazycut06

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5511 on: January 24, 2012, 01:05:39 PM »
Hi all,
    Sorry, din't mean to distract everybody here, and thanks konehead for reminding me those post, haven't read that.
Back to work.... ;D

Khwartz

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5512 on: January 24, 2012, 02:01:06 PM »
Hi Khwartz
the circuit of mine you chose to modify doesnt pulse a coil like a  motor coil pulsing cirucit would do, it is a coil-shorting circuit, made for generator coils induced by magnets sweeping by the generator coil, the generator coil never disconnects.....
Thanks to tell me that, I clearely see this different now :)

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the FWBR in it, collects power into a cap "continuoulsy" and then when those mosfets trigger ON, it then shorts the coil leads together which increases the voltage feeding the cap.....
Sorry, I think I see the MOSETs can fill the cap, but I don't see on the orginal schematic, how they can short the coils :/ i can only see the blue circuit coming from the coil to the FWBR feeding, or not feeding the cap if the MOSETs circuit in "open", but I can't see how the coil(s) is/are shorted if the blue circuit open as I don't see any return path :/

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the circuit you chose to modify does not connect or disconnect the coil to a battery or power supply then, like a pulsed motor coil circuit would do...
Do you mean that when the MOSFET circuit is closed, it fills the cap, but when it is opened, there is a kind of time that made hight voltage in the coils using bacEFM, and when we get it we close again the circuit to feed the cap with this higher voltage?

Khwartz

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5513 on: January 24, 2012, 02:08:28 PM »
Hi Khwartz
"Backing magnets" mean there are magnets stuck to the backside of the cores, like what Romero did...these magnets dont rotate lile the rotor magnets, they are on the backs of the cores of the coils, stationary...
Yes, you're true, I remember having seen them :)

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I dont know if that formula you have  will work or not.
the formula for cap discharge converted to watts is:
FARAD value of capacitor being discharged  / 2
X
(volts in cap before discharge SQUARED minus the volts in cap after discharge SQUARED)
X
discharge events per second  = WATTS
Hehe, it is the one have used, but to complete the calculation, I need to know the frequency of the cycle charge/discharge of the capacitor while connected to a load, and from which voltage he start to fill to which one he stops. (Frequency <=> "discharge events per second ").

konehead

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5514 on: January 24, 2012, 08:35:59 PM »
Hi Khwartz
that cap discharge formula works pretty much perfect - try it out, use scope to make sure you get the voltages in cap right...
that coil-shorting circuit works first by the FWBR converting the AC induced by the rotor magnet sweep into DC and into cap...jsut a very nomal way to take out power from a genrator coil....
when that coil-shorting circuit turns ON (closes) it connects  the two leads of the coil together very quick and it collapses the coil and it starts an oscillation (ringing) and this fills up cap much quicker and much higher in volts....all the while the FWBR and cap are still connected as is "normal"
"musts" with this circuit are a very short pulse width to the coil-short event,  so that the coil short doesnt make for extra draw to the motor....  the coil short msut be happening at sinewave peak..... and also "collector" cap that fills up discharges to load while at same time the cap is disconnected from the "source" (the coil) that filled it up in first place...("two stage" output circuit)
 
 

Khwartz

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5515 on: January 25, 2012, 11:19:31 PM »
Hi Khwartz
Hi Kone, thanks for reply :)

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that cap discharge formula works pretty much perfect
Nice to know that  8)

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- try it out, use scope to make sure you get the voltages in cap right...
I haven't, sorry   :-[

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that coil-shorting circuit works first by the FWBR converting the AC induced by the rotor magnet sweep into DC and into cap...jsut a very nomal way to take out power from a genrator coil....
Yeh, this I knew and fully understand :)

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when that coil-shorting circuit turns ON (closes)
Do you means S1 or S2? and could you use the letters in the schematic I joint to help to follow you, cause again english is not my birth tongue and I'm not familiar with all these terminology, so hard to follow you otherwise  :-\

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it connects  the two leads of the coil together
But through the run battery with S2 and FWBR or directly to the battery by S1?

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very quick and it collapses the coil and it starts an oscillation (ringing) and this fills up cap much quicker and much higher in volts....all the while the FWBR and cap are still connected as is "normal"
Sorry, but unless you name the portion of circuit you mention, I'm just lost: for you it's surely evident what you talking about, but not for me. I would very better prefer if you could say like: the circuit A to E, S2, G to J is the .... circuit, and it is "on/closed" when and for ...
 
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"musts" with this circuit are a very short pulse width to the coil-short event,
Yes, this I know too that sharp voltage chocks are good to impede oscillations in coils :)

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so that the coil short doesnt make for extra draw to the motor....
Do you mean that is about to connect the run-battery directly to the coils, so that if it's too long it takes too much power and so drop de power to the motor-coils, and so drop the speed of?

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  the coil short msut be happening at sinewave peak.....
Understood :)

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and also "collector" cap that fills up discharges to load while at same time the cap is disconnected from the "source" (the coil) that filled it up in first place...("two stage" output circuit)
Kone, could you do something like that:
Time 1: duration ~ ...[ms]
State S1 : Open/close
State S2 : Open/close
State S3 : Open/close
Time 2: duration ~ ...[ms]
State S1 : Open/close
State S2 : Open/close
State S3 : Open/close
?

mariuscivic

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5516 on: January 26, 2012, 12:46:16 AM »
this one is boring  but you get the ideea  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC6TvLutxDw&feature=youtu.be

Khwartz

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@Koenhaed and all
« Reply #5517 on: January 26, 2012, 01:12:09 AM »
Hi again Kone! Overunity.com put a new vid on Youtube about an interesting device that use capacitors and looks like to self-run because increasing itself its speed and filing its own caps (WITHOUT ANY POWER SUPPLY OR BATTERY!!!). But I give you this link because for the few I can understand here about caps, the experimentation says something that could help everybody here. It's about having a set that combine both relatively high voltage but little capacitance cap with low voltage but large capacitance. I let you see that ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myP_i1T2kwY

Khwartz

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5518 on: January 26, 2012, 01:28:18 AM »
this one is boring  but you get the ideea  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC6TvLutxDw&feature=youtu.be
Hi Marius, thanks for your new vid about the directive coil you talk about :)

Is that the cap you connect with the black wire that makes increasing the speed and decreasing the amps? but what about the blue thing on your black wire? we see it near the meter and it makes like a loop... and with that loop, I was not sure if it was the wire connected to the cap :/

Have you an idea why the diode on the battery increases the efficiency?

mariuscivic

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5519 on: January 26, 2012, 11:13:15 AM »
Hi Khwarts
 The speed up is there becouse of the cap in paralel with the coil. The cap captures the bemf and discharges it back in to the coil. The blue thing on the cable is just a plastic isolation . The black wires are looped couse they are a bit long. The diode on the battery does not increase efficiency.With the diode connected you can see  there is no curent returning to the battery