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konehead

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1755 on: May 21, 2011, 07:35:27 AM »
The circuit toranorod just put up is pretty much exactly how Bill Muller told me they switched their motor coils too...
while I was up there visiting, he even called up on phone his "tech-guy" to confirm that is way they do it for sure at that time when I asked him just to be nice to me since I really wanted to know for sure....

He said they put a switch (of some sort) at the HI of the coil and at the LO of the coil and switched coils on-off with simultatnous timing of the two switches...just like tornaorods circuit

He said advantage of this method is you catch the backemf "both ways"
so you get more power stored up in your bakcemf/recoil recovery caps...

So what is not shown in the circuit IS the backemf/recoil recovery part of it....

Bill told me they put a FWBR's AC legs "across" the HI switch, and another FWBR's AC legs across the LO swtich too, and each FWBR has its own cap...so this is how they collected the backemf too if anyone wants to know..he said they didnt swtihc it out or anything - the FWBRs filled their caps "all the time"
 
So Fill up some caps from DC side of the two FWBRS, and hit a load with the caps when caps are disconnected from "source"  (a "two stage" or "flip flop" output circuit like also you need to do with coil shorting circuits too)

It might be good idea to slam the cap the gencoils fill,  first with this backemf/recoil power recovered into those caps - so it would be sort of priming the cap first up in voltage so the gencoils have much easier job...or else charge 2nd battery or some sort of load and give it another power output from the recovery caps...


e2matrix

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1756 on: May 21, 2011, 08:15:06 AM »
konehead,  thanks for adding your expertise to this work in progress also.  You ARE the motor master.  I'm guessing you have built some similar devices or maybe one like the original Muller?  Are you doing a build like Romerouk's version? 

nul-points

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1757 on: May 21, 2011, 08:56:33 AM »
i am not an expert in electronics but i try to do the best i can...!
saludos
jorge

hi Jorge - welcome to the thread!

you have some very nice quality builds - very interesting ideas and achievements with unusual designs

i'm sure we can learn a lot from your experience - and hope your dynamotor build continues to give good results

all the best
np


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toranarod

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1758 on: May 21, 2011, 09:33:36 AM »
The circuit toranorod just put up is pretty much exactly how Bill Muller told me they switched their motor coils too...
while I was up there visiting, he even called up on phone his "tech-guy" to confirm that is way they do it for sure at that time when I asked him just to be nice to me since I really wanted to know for sure....

He said they put a switch (of some sort) at the HI of the coil and at the LO of the coil and switched coils on-off with simultatnous timing of the two switches...just like tornaorods circuit

He said advantage of this method is you catch the backemf "both ways"
so you get more power stored up in your bakcemf/recoil recovery caps...

So what is not shown in the circuit IS the backemf/recoil recovery part of it....

Bill told me they put a FWBR's AC legs "across" the HI switch, and another FWBR's AC legs across the LO swtich too, and each FWBR has its own cap...so this is how they collected the backemf too if anyone wants to know..he said they didnt swtihc it out or anything - the FWBRs filled their caps "all the time"
 
So Fill up some caps from DC side of the two FWBRS, and hit a load with the caps when caps are disconnected from "source"  (a "two stage" or "flip flop" output circuit like also you need to do with coil shorting circuits too)

It might be good idea to slam the cap the gencoils fill,  first with this backemf/recoil power recovered into those caps - so it would be sort of priming the cap first up in voltage so the gencoils have much easier job...or else charge 2nd battery or some sort of load and give it another power output from the recovery caps...
Thanks konehead
I take that as compliment. 
I simplified it for the use here on the forum and so it was compatible to Romerouk circuit.  The Idea is to completely isolate the coils when they switch there
energy back into the circuit. 

My version that I will be using looks more like this


toranarod

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1759 on: May 21, 2011, 10:13:59 AM »
Todays progress
We Its time to wind the coils. Oh fun and joy. 18 coils  :o :'(

when its all assembled I will present a full specification list and we will see how close to Romerosuk I have been able to build it.
there where some parts I cloud not get. hope its close enough.
   

FreeEnergyInfo

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1760 on: May 21, 2011, 10:26:15 AM »
My version that I will be using looks more like this
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toranarod ...

pliz , edit post , paste HD circuit * H_sw_1.gif
 rar , pdf ,jpg  HD circuit...
thanks
peace

lanenal

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1761 on: May 21, 2011, 11:29:10 AM »
Hi all, I have done a little research on the ferrite rod. Clearly, the ferrite rod taken from computer psu are for filtering out EMI/RFI. Those rods are of grades F13 - FF1 (with permeability ranging from 650-1500). Please see attached pdf for a list of materials. I hope this info is of some use. Also please correct me if this info is not accurate.

Note: The use of those ferrite rods to suppress EMI/RFI agrees with Romero's statement.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2011, 12:19:26 PM by lanenal »

neptune

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1762 on: May 21, 2011, 12:44:36 PM »
@lanenal / Thanks for that very useful information . It does show that those of us using ferrite rods from AM radios are working with a very different material . But note that Romero said he had used in other experiments successfully .I wonder how home made cores of Fe3O4 and resin would fit into this table ?

Rosphere

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1763 on: May 21, 2011, 12:50:51 PM »
Hi all, I have done a little research on the ferrite rod.
Clearly, the ferrite rod taken from computer psu are for filtering out EMI/RFI.
Those rods are of grades F13 - FF1 (with permeability ranging from 650-1500). ...

...It does show that those of us using ferrite rods from AM radios are working with a very different material.
But note that Romero said he had used in other experiments successfully. ...

Various rod sources may explain the variability in the placement of romerouk's stator magnets and why he needed to adjust them independently. 
Consistent core material may yield a more uniform post tuning arrangement.

powercat

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1764 on: May 21, 2011, 02:09:59 PM »
Here is the Macao entry,from imtotob  /Macao is a special administrative region of the People's Republic of China.
If anyone can advise please post a reply on his YouTube channel,maybe he can't see the forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqQ5O-XMHDI
Quote from imtotob
Cant decide yet on magnets to use on the rotor
ferrite ring magnets from microwave top and bottom / coil with top and bottom ring magnets to levitate the rotor s n n s s n and egg magnet as cores
The neodyne magnets from pc hard disk has n s on one side and the bottom part is reverse if i will use this
But my observation by hand rotation a combination of the ring magnet and neodyne provide more revolution than rng magnets alone
Bottom coil is bifilar a la Tesla 14 ga wire with top and bottom ring magnets and egg magnet as cores Top coil in series is Neogen winding 14 ga with top and bottom ring magnets n s bottom n s s n rotor s n n s top coil n s
The purpose is to levitate the rotor plate as Neogen is using magnetic bearingsAny advise on my ideas are welcome

tanakat

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1765 on: May 21, 2011, 02:26:33 PM »
i am not an expert in electronics but i try to do the best i can...!
saludos
jorge

Hum... If you're the skycollection from youtube, let me tell you that your builds are awesome :) :) :) very good to see you in this forum !

MasterPlaster

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1766 on: May 21, 2011, 03:04:06 PM »
Here is the Macao entry,from imtotob  /Macao is a special administrative region of the People's Republic of China.
If anyone can advise please post a reply on his YouTube channel,maybe he can't see the forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqQ5O-XMHDI


I watched the video. Where he is going, he doesn't need magnets!
There is vast differences between a time machine and the Muller generrator.

totoalas

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1767 on: May 21, 2011, 03:08:41 PM »
Thanks Toranarod for the circuit
Maybe Ill just order one  from you  lol  Ive had difficulties with such high tech circuits
Powercat   thanks for the support
Ive been passing by the energetic forum and Ou  to extract more juice  out of these great threads   includin the links to Muller's  Neogen  dont want to be left behind by daily 10 page update
Ive already decided  on the hard disk magnets  and see where it will go
Efficiency is next to OU  so  please  guide me  on all the help I can get
Another update on my you tube channel   tonight on the progress   
cheers
totoalas


powercat

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1768 on: May 21, 2011, 03:34:53 PM »
Not all of us are in a position to have the best materials and equipment available to us.
some of us do it with what is lying around and can be salvaged.
I have great admiration for those people trying to replicate.

powercat

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #1769 on: May 21, 2011, 04:18:43 PM »
Hi Tom
Even you must see merit in investigation of a self-runner, no one needs to worry about measurements, either it self-runs or it doesn't