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Offline toranarod

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #885 on: May 12, 2011, 11:28:02 AM »
Hello to all
Been reading all your comments. Some very interesting points raised. I am keeping notes on all things so when I come across this I have a reference its been noticed before.
I am trying to get supplies together to create an exact replication.
I started this project with what ever I could scrounge up from other left over
Projects but as I have moved along its taking on a very serous important
Nature of its own. Every day I go to a bit more effort to get things just right.

The more we study the layout he presented the more we see specific techniques and if you take into account his back ground and previous builds and the expense he went to get to the one he said was OU you start to see some very interesting designs that cannot be ignored.

He changed the disc size twice. This would suggest there is a very important reason for the time intervals between the magnets and the over lap of the surface face of the coils.
This also suggests the gap between the magnets and the coils is related to the duration of the pulse. With my own research on other pulse motors the gap becomes criteria for tuning to improve efficacy.

Then there is the Litz wire that has a major difference to single strand wire. When I was an audio visual technician almost ever TV and Plasma screen had some Litz wire in it some ware. I can also say magnets on coils is nothing new manufactures have been doing it for years tuning coils by place an ferrite magnet on them.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #885 on: May 12, 2011, 11:28:02 AM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #886 on: May 12, 2011, 11:37:21 AM »
Dear Rod,

Sterling included this letter on this forum too, 2 pages back or so.

Gyula


EDIT:  The letter was that of Sterling but Rod since wrote another text what is above now.  No problem of course.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2011, 01:43:53 PM by gyulasun »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #887 on: May 12, 2011, 11:41:38 AM »
Sterling really posted an email to himself from someone who seems he wanted to be off the radar? wow. I would think an email would suggest he wanted privacy, kind of lame to print that...

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #888 on: May 12, 2011, 11:55:05 AM »
@Conradelectro .Romero`s device does not tick all your boxes . Assuming you built an OU device , could you contain yourself long enough to build several more . I can not recall Romero hiding any information , he answered all questions . Is it not possible that he complained of "strange people threatening him " because strange people were threatening him?

Could you contain yourself long enough to build several more? I do not know, I hope so. Usually people can not live with failure, therefore they start dreaming things up. Wishful thinking can afflict everyone.

Because strange people were threatening him? Everything is possible. But being threatened is no proof of a OU-device. When you make strange claims, strange things happen to you. Claiming one has a OU-device should not be done lightly. One could say "please build this (with exact specifications), it seems to be very efficient". Unless other people can replicate it, all bets are off anyway. It is also very helpful with investors if an independent lab can reproduce it. And one can do it with non-disclosure agreements in case one wants to become rich.

A golden rule: It is very difficult to sell a device or to make people believe in a device that does not work as claimed.

Sorry, these type of discussion is not helpful. Over and out, we should replicate not talk. A few people have already build such a device and no results have come forward till now (only rumors and bold claims).

My excuses, Conrad

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #889 on: May 12, 2011, 12:26:15 PM »
@Penno64. Re coil winding and voltage problems . Wind a coil with just 10 turns , and measure the output volts . Divide that by 10 to give you VOLTS PER TURN .Now you can easily calculate how many turns are needed to give a given output voltage . With the 10 turn coil running , experiment with other parameters to get the best output .
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thanks for that tip, neptune

do you mean to just read the 'raw' AC on a meter or scope?

presumably it gives you a 'ball-park' value as a guide?

when calculating for the final wind you'd then need to include a factor for the FWBR action and losses, and also the effect of the load

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Offline neptune

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #890 on: May 12, 2011, 01:25:42 PM »
@nul-points .Yes I would read the raw AC on a meter . I do not have a scope . I had one that was old and simple , but the "magic smoke" escapes and it has not worked since .Re the bridge rectifier .the techniques I described for coil winding were developed years ago when i was into wind turbines .If you are using a bridge rectifier to charge a lead acid battery , the bridge actually seems to increase the voltage . Probably due to the capacitance of the battery .Don't ask me about mathematical queries , I am more a practical man who graduated at the University of hard knocks .Thus I am qualified to do anything with next to nothing . Think of me as an Idiot Savant with more emphasis on the former than the latter .
        As regards the naysayers , all I will say is this . You may be right . Statistics are on your side . However let us not discourage the guys who are spending loads of time and money on this . The standard of workmanship of some of you guys is truly amazing .If the magic is out there these guys will find it .Alternatively we can say nothing will ever work lets forget about it and carry on in our ignorance and slavery .
@Loner . Agree with most of what you say ,but remembber that the output is not simple AC but 7 sinewaves , sperated by about 50 degrees of phase shift . Not sure if you can therefore use a Cockcroft Multiplier type voltage doubler .
« Last Edit: May 12, 2011, 02:23:34 PM by neptune »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #891 on: May 12, 2011, 03:07:17 PM »
        As regards the naysayers , all I will say is this ...

Well, I am here to show my support of the builders. If I were more experienced or got some good amount of spare time, I would definitely join the builders right now.

I studied the theories of Adams motor, and it seems to me Romero's variant of Muller Dynamo works on similar OU principal. It is said that one should better go with ferrite magnets when building Adams motor, but Muller's design of odd/even magnet arrangements on the rotor and stator overcomes the strong cogging effects of neomagnets. Once that strong cogging is subdued, Adams motor build with strong magnets can MAGNIFY the OU effect to produce a lot of usable free energy. One of Romero's great contributions in my assessment is this: he arranged all magnets on the rotor in the same polarity, thus greatly simplified the control circuitry, making it so easy to replicate.

Plus, Romero's dynamo is operating in a sub-optimal condition, and it seems to me there is a lot of room for improvement, and that the device probably allows a wide range of component parameters to function in OU mode. Therefore I am very optimistic that the replicators here would succeed. That said, I think I agree with many of you here that we should stick to a good replication as close as we can to increase our chance of success.


T H E  W O R L D  W O N ' T  B E  T H E  S A M E

because of Romero and his kind of people!!!


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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #892 on: May 12, 2011, 03:20:26 PM »
@nul-points
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but the "magic smoke" escapes and it has not worked since
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@Loner . Agree with most of what you say ,but remember that the output is not simple AC but 7 sinewaves , separated by about 50 degrees of phase shift . Not sure if you can therefore use a Cockcroft Multiplier type voltage doubler .

LOL at thoughts of all the magic smoke I'VE ever set free from components!

BUT - did you know that you can now get magic smoke in cans?!?

it's true - i've seen guys wandering around with them in offices at work, testing smoke detectors

now if we could only spray that smoke back into the bl..dy components...!


we should adopt your saying as the motto for Free Energy experimenters everywhere: "Qualified to Do Anything with Nothing"


i can't find Loners post relating to the Cockcroft circuit?!? is that the post he deleted?

i do know (from experience) that the CVM is VERY inefficient - was originally invented just to achieve v high voltages, not as a voltage-boost power supply - the amount of i/p energy it required wasn't an issue for the High-Voltage research to which it was first applied

hope this helps
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #893 on: May 12, 2011, 03:30:40 PM »
Hi nul-point. Loner does not call it a Cockroft multiplier he just calls it a voltage doubler .Come to think of it , the term probably died out before World War 2 .That is what happens when as a kid with no money you educate yourself from books found in rubbish skips .We know it better today as a simple voltage doubler circuit , of the type used in microwave ovens . It consists of just diodes and capacitors ,the number of each depending on how much voltage multiplication you need .I like the canned magic smoke !

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« Reply #894 on: May 12, 2011, 03:47:24 PM »
I think the original origin of doing something with nothing is actully " I've done so much with so little for so long, that now I can do almost anything with nothing"
Why not start a data base that everyone can refer to which is a gathering of known to be facts, or at least best guess data about the Romero project. As example: How many magnet poles; coils; polarity; wind direction. number of turns on the coils; wire gauge; core materials; circuits; suggestions etc. In looking at the video again. Yes it looks like Rom had 9 coils and 8 magnets. This is a good choice for less cogging but I think if you look into the matter you might find the more cogging points the less drag. Not to sure about that but winding calculators for generators show 72 cogging points for the 9/8 combo and 90 for a combination of 9 coils and 10 magnets. I think basically the more cogging points you have, the smoother the rotation. I could be wrong. I guess what I'm saing is I agree with those who say the Rom project might not have been optimzed as well as it could have been. I think using strong magnets can be compensated for by moving them away from the cores to find the right amount of saturation for the application.
Just a couple thoughts.
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« Reply #895 on: May 12, 2011, 04:01:05 PM »
...I guess what I'm saing is I agree with those who say the Rom project might not have been optimzed as well as it could have been.
John H (DadHav)

Maybe it is worthwhile to point out that Romero posted a few more changes to his videoed self-running dynamo with improved results.

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« Reply #896 on: May 12, 2011, 04:01:31 PM »
[...]
Why not start a data base that everyone can refer to which is a gathering of known to be facts
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John H (DadHav)

hi John

Stefan has compiled a PDF & diags into the 1st page of this thread

most info okayed by Romero up til his departure

interesting info about the cogging,  some replication variations might give more data for that

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« Reply #897 on: May 12, 2011, 04:04:51 PM »
Maybe it is worthwhile to point out that Romero posted a few more changes to his videoed self-running dynamo with improved results.

lanenal

good point

for the benefit of John & other new arrivals, Romero's last few updates were to increase coil & core size and add ferrite mags on top of the stator neos - all of which he reported as improvements


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #898 on: May 12, 2011, 04:09:12 PM »
I am not the only one who tested and confirmed Kromrey design.
In my setup I have no moving coils, the magnets are turning.No rings, less friction....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTDGtSKrLPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCJKCXXZb-Y&feature=related
the second video people should pay attention and understand ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX-PsJZzri8&feature=related
I have been looking again to the posts from the begining and I found this one regarding the second link.
What if that applies here to one coil or more?

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« Reply #899 on: May 12, 2011, 04:20:35 PM »
Could someone here do me a favor? I can't watch those youtube videos in China. If somebody could download the video and upload it somewhere for me or email to me? I will upload it to a video website within China (such as www.tudou.com and www.youku.com, as they are in Chinese) so that even if Stefan's backup on youtube is removed someday, you can still have access to it from those sites in China.

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