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Author Topic: Muller Dynamo  (Read 3513711 times)

Offline Staffman

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #870 on: May 12, 2011, 04:56:27 AM »
steeltpu is right. Also, if your really paranoid, look up proxy chaining and proxy lists. Be sure to use anonymous and/or high anonymous servers around the globe in multiple countries. Some proxy servers will only work for a short period of time, so test before using. Oh, one more thing... Just so your aware, speeds suck doing proxy chaining, so plan your time accordingly. Just sayin...  8)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #871 on: May 12, 2011, 05:12:47 AM »
If you guys want to take your privacy seriously, what I'm reading so far won't cut it. See this:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=624

High-Traffic Colluding Tor Routers in Washington, D.C., and the Ugly Truth About Online Anonymity

Simply, turn it off. will your illusions disappear? I really don't think so, the Government has public guidelines that it 'must' follow. are you really running and hiding from the U.S Government? why! if you feel they are tracking "you" down then maybe you do have something to hide and it is not O.U.

there are people who are purely criminal minded but are perfectly normal in society, sometimes not. these are those who get caught. I can even go into lie theory if I need to discuss lie theory in a court of law.

I bet 'most of you never knew there was a 'Lie' Theory did you?

jerry 8)

Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #872 on: May 12, 2011, 05:14:03 AM »
Working on replication.  Deleted my post.  Will post failure as me or success as an unknown "New User" from remote computer through ANON site.

That handles security and fun at the same time, no?  Good Luck to all.

Some very good ideas coming forth here.  Can anyone see anything amiss with Loner's suggestion of posting "failures" rather freely, and in that way getting some help/feedback?  I can't see a problem with that.  No need to hide "failures", I agree.  This is where we help each other -- hopefully!


i also like his posting "success as an unknown "New User" from remote computer through ANON site", although through another person's computer (a public library might work, if they don't record YOUR name) and server.  Again, I highly recommend that you replicators agree privately on an exact time when you will all post your successes and details, "en masse" and on several forums, and then the rest of us will be here to help disseminate the information rapidly worldwide. 

I agree with the idea of preserving some record so that you can get due credit later, after the "cat is out of the bag".  Mailing yourself (or lawyer friend) a sealed letter with your detailed posting is another way to do this.

And perhaps keep your device at a friend's house for a day or two after the announcement -- recalling that RomeroUK had his device "taken" and probably (as he said) destroyed.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #872 on: May 12, 2011, 05:14:03 AM »
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Offline steeltpu

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #873 on: May 12, 2011, 05:35:28 AM »
forget libraries and anon servers.  libraries are one of the most monitored.  read what is posted in most all libraries on using internet.  scary.  read the cryptogon article wopwops posted.  it's good and a lot is just like what i said above.  i did forget to say to use a linux live cd or live usb flash disk.  yes you can have live usb flash disks and they are cheap enough you can throw it away if needed.  4gig flash will cover everything u need and that is less than $10 about anywhere. 

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« Reply #874 on: May 12, 2011, 05:35:53 AM »
Simply, turn it off. will your illusions disappear? I really don't think so, the Government has public guidelines that it 'must' follow. are you really running and hiding from the U.S Government? why! if you feel they are tracking "you" down then maybe you do have something to hide.


jerry 8)

Jerry, several of us are concerned because of the treatment that Romero reported, and that other inventors have evidently received. It seems that there is a coordination of the government to help big business maintain their control.  A clear example is provided by Monsanto's patenting of seeds and suing farmers who did not plant Monsanto seeds, for somehow picking up pollen or traces from patented seeds.  And winning, with government support for all this.  There are other examples.

In the case of energy inventions, the US Patent Office has guidelines that are unfavorable to "free energy" devices.  I attach a USPTO -- Special document which delineates "free energy" and "perpetual motion" machines as ones that will be held or canned, if they are found out.  It's not a "conspiracy theory", it's in their guidelines.  I invite you to read this. 

I must admit, after seeing the bank bailouts under the last two Presidents, contrary to the wishes of approximately 90% of the US population -- that there does appear evidence for the government working to favor banks (and businesses like Monsanto) over the public wishes.

So we are trying to legally use our Freedom of Speech (see first Amendment, Bill of Rights) and go DIRECT to the public, for the benefit of humanity around the world.

If you ask me, yes I will admit that I don't trust the US or UK (or most other) governments to honor the wishes and benefit of the people over the wishes and profits of corporations and banks.   It is not a matter of legality, for they can pass laws which give enormous bail-outs to banks and favor Monsanto, Halliburton, etc. It is a matter of using our Freedom of Speech to speak directly to our fellow man.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #874 on: May 12, 2011, 05:35:53 AM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #875 on: May 12, 2011, 06:02:55 AM »
Simply, turn it off. will your illusions disappear? I really don't think so, the Government has public guidelines that it 'must' follow. are you really running and hiding from the U.S Government? why! if you feel they are tracking "you" down then maybe you do have something to hide and it is not O.U.

there are people who are purely criminal minded but are perfectly normal in society, sometimes not. these are those who get caught. I can even go into lie theory if I need to discuss lie theory in a court of law.

I bet 'most of you never knew there was a 'Lie' Theory did you?

jerry 8)
the government's main prerogative is to invade my privacy...  ::) that and to ensure there is a certain amount of fecal matter in my drinking water. the RIGHT to anonymity is a basic tenet of "freedom". whether or not i (or anyone else) have something to hide is irrelevant.

grift someone's wireless if you are concerned. if you're really concerned, use multiple access points and rotate them randomly like i do. and for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, don't use windows or macintosh operating systems. live linux (i am using a live boot cd right now), learn it. live it.

p.s. i don't have a bank account. ;)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #876 on: May 12, 2011, 06:15:42 AM »
This is all great stuff guys.  Thanks for all of it. We should make a new thread for it, as I think there will be more to come.

Was thinking about encryption soft.  For people a long distance away, how can you safely get the code to the end user for encrypted docs?

Loner has a good way. But the upload would need to be complete.
It seems reasonable for the purpose. As for recognition for the builder, I think most will be on the same page, fugitaboutit.  ;]

Is anyone interested in a new thread for this stuff, or are we all good?

Was thinking, if possible for anyone, that we each should maybe at least have someone here as as a personal friendly contact, just in case someone has a problem like this, or just disappeared, so others can be made aware of the issue.  Say if 7 of us replicators just never show up again, next week even, it would be good for the others to be aware of the reaping being done. Sounds bad, but I think anything is possible considering this experience. Dunno.
Im sure everyone wants to keep going, but are also thinking of these other things and taking it a bit more seriously now. The game is on.

My setup is going to have a 10 mag  6in. rotor as I already have that. Probably 9 coil sets. the mags are 3/8x1/4 disks N52. 

I know most are trying to get exact parts if possible, but RS has a universal plugin car adapter thats 4.5 to 12v. Looks smaller, but may work here.  $40
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3875414


Im making my own multi strand conductors.

Good luck all

Mags





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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #876 on: May 12, 2011, 06:15:42 AM »
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Offline Charlie_V

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #877 on: May 12, 2011, 07:58:43 AM »
How many coils is he using to drive the device versus how many coils he is using as a generator? 

I would think when you engage the coils, the magnetic field needed to cancel out the stationary permanent magnets (PMs) above and below would take the same energy (if not a little more) because you have to cancel the stationary PM field with the coils.

Of course when the rotor spins it would negate the current in the coils until you connected a load.  The load would drag on the rotor and cause current to increase in the driving coils (like a standard motor).  The coils there are just acting the same as if you made the top and bottom permanent magnets moveable perpendicular to the rotor.  You are still going to have to push the flux of those magnets away (whether you physically move the stator magnets or use coils). 

I don't know maybe I'm missing something here?  The only way I could see access energy is if the stationary PMs pushed more on the rotor than what it took to neutralize the field between the stationary PMs and rotor PMs.  What would cause that, is the core material of the coils really special or something?

Thanks,
Charlie

PS I'm not trying to be an ass here, since after reading my post it sorta comes off that way.  My statements are just how I would logically think and should be viewed more as questions.

Offline TEKTRON

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #878 on: May 12, 2011, 08:53:14 AM »
Well, It looks like Sterling couldn't wait.
I haven't had a chance to read it yet.
http://pesn.com/2011/05/11/9501823_Romeros_Self-Sustaining_Muller_Dynamo_Drama/

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« Reply #878 on: May 12, 2011, 08:53:14 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #879 on: May 12, 2011, 09:35:58 AM »
Having seen the same old sad story a number of times in this forum, I list some telltale signs of a hoax or illusion:

1.) I only have one working OU-device:

A honest, mentally sane and intelligent person would build more than one device, just to be sure it works. Even a poor person can do that, it just would take more time than for a person having some income.

2.) I do not tell all secrets of my OU-device because I have worked so hard and therefore I want to become rich:

There are only two directions an inventor can go, either he gives it away for free or he shuts up and only talks to possible investors. Once we have a whiner and wincer, he has nothing, just a hoax, illusions or fraud. Usually it is a mental flaw, because fraudsters are much more clever, they rip off investors with an elaborate scam.

3.) Strange people threaten me:

The only real pressure is having no working OU-device. One has to make it mysterious and strange to hide that fact. And there will be real pressure in case relatives or friends have given money for an impossible project. In case money was borrowed from banks or investors, legal hassles will start. Also enterprises who have invested effort and money into the OU-device (presented by the inventor as working) will become extremely pissed when nothing comes out of it after a while.

4) There always is the straight forward scam (which is legal): write a book or make a DVD about possible OU-devices repeating mysterious tales and rumors based on strange theories never proven.


The best way of handling a working OU-device:

First you must have a few working models. This is the one and only condition, the rest can be done in many ways.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #880 on: May 12, 2011, 10:01:07 AM »
Having seen the same old sad story a number of times in this forum, I list some telltale signs of a hoax or illusion:

1.) I only have one working OU-device:

A honest, mentally sane and intelligent person would build more than one device, just to be sure it works. Even a poor person can do that, it just would take more time than for a person having some income.

2.) I do not tell all secrets of my OU-device because I have worked so hard and therefore I want to become rich:

There are only two directions an inventor can go, either he gives it away for free or he shuts up and only talks to possible investors. Once we have a whiner and wincer, he has nothing, just a hoax, illusions or fraud. Usually it is a mental flaw, because fraudsters are much more clever, they rip off investors with an elaborate scam.

3.) Strange people threaten me:

The only real pressure is having no working OU-device. One has to make it mysterious and strange to hide that fact. And there will be real pressure in case relatives or friends have given money for an impossible project. In case money was borrowed from banks or investors, legal hassles will start. Also enterprises who have invested effort and money into the OU-device (presented by the inventor as working) will become extremely pissed when nothing comes out of it after a while.

4) There always is the straight forward scam (which is legal): write a book or make a DVD about possible OU-devices repeating mysterious tales and rumors based on strange theories never proven.


The best way of handling a working OU-device:

First you must have a few working models. This is the one and only condition, the rest can be done in many ways.

Greetings, Conrad

Impossible to disagree, be to someone liking or not,
cheers,
khabe

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« Reply #880 on: May 12, 2011, 10:01:07 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #881 on: May 12, 2011, 10:22:33 AM »
@Penno64. Re coil winding and voltage problems . Wind a coil with just 10 turns , and measure the output volts . Divide that by 10 to give you VOLTS PER TURN .Now you can easily calculate how many turns are needed to give a given output voltage . With the 10 turn coil running , experiment with other parameters to get the best output .
     @ All . There is a lot of fear and paranoia here . Anyone can put a black suit on . Could it be that "Gary" , disappointed that he could not buy it , just went to the pub on the council estate and hired some guys with a Ford Transit and baseball bats? To me , that sounds a lot more likely than guv-mint suits .

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« Reply #882 on: May 12, 2011, 10:37:19 AM »
@Conradelectro .Romero`s device does not tick all your boxes . Assuming you built an OU device , could you contain yourself long enough to build several more . I can not recall Romero hiding any information , he answered all questions . Is it not possible that he complained of "strange people threatening him " because strange people were threatening him?

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« Reply #883 on: May 12, 2011, 11:14:11 AM »
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     @ All . There is a lot of fear and paranoia here . Anyone can put a black suit on . Could it be that "Gary" , disappointed that he could not buy it , just went to the pub on the council estate and hired some guys with a Ford Transit and baseball bats? To me , that sounds a lot more likely than guv-mint suits .

Yes,  it is likely that a certain "Gary" might have been in the background of the events, see Romero's post here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.msg284715#msg284715 

There happens to be at least two "Gary"s on this forum and it is far from me to accuse anybody. One of the "Gary"s  (Deepcut) happens to live in London, UK.  Again, I do not wish to accuse him of course, it would be good to read his opinion on this.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #884 on: May 12, 2011, 11:27:39 AM »
@Neptune,

Thanks.

Results are getting exceptionally Better - so is my understanding.


Regards, Penno

 

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