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Author Topic: Muller Dynamo  (Read 3510481 times)

Offline abdlquadri

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Re: Criminal penalties for perpetrator?
« Reply #780 on: May 11, 2011, 04:17:03 PM »
It has been brought to my attention that this demonstration was a hoax.

Question, could the perpetrator be criminally charged?  Or would this be a civil matter?  What would be the charge?  Who would /could bring the charge?

If you know the answer, would you mind Cc'ing me to my email via sterlingda {at} pureenergysystems.com

We're working up a story for this for PESN and want to include that information to help deter any future hoaxes.

Thanks
WHAT IS THIS!

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Re: Criminal penalties for perpetrator?
« Reply #780 on: May 11, 2011, 04:17:03 PM »

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Re: Criminal penalties for perpetrator?
« Reply #781 on: May 11, 2011, 04:19:30 PM »
WHAT IS THIS!

Sterlinga is the owner of a quite influencial and informative website on new energy technology.
http://peswiki.com

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #782 on: May 11, 2011, 04:20:49 PM »
Khabe,
stop the discussion with the supercapacitor.
There was no one.
ALso in the first video he has only the coils output directly via the bridge rectifiers to the lamp
and it was also 24 Watts out and only about 11 Watts input
with NO capacitor !

Why to anger, Stefan  :o
I did repeat several times I do not speak about Romero, I just thought about how its possible to fake,
just need to change the label (the name and  figures)  and SuperCap looks like common electrolytic cap  ::)
cheers,
khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #782 on: May 11, 2011, 04:20:49 PM »
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #783 on: May 11, 2011, 04:22:53 PM »
Why to anger, Stefan  :o
I did repeat several times I do not speak about Romero, I just thought about how its possible to fake,
just need to change the label (the name and  figures)  and SuperCap looks like common electrolytic cap  ::)
cheers,
khabe

Then figure out how he did the first video with the lamp directly connected to the rectifier
output without any DC2DC converter...
« Last Edit: May 11, 2011, 06:47:17 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #784 on: May 11, 2011, 04:41:59 PM »
[...]
I do not speak about Romero, I just thought about how its possible to fake,
just need to change the label (the name and  figures)  and SuperCap looks like common electrolytic cap  ::)
[...]
khabe

i disagree, khabe:

the main supply switch is NOT at the position shown in the schematic!
(page 1 this thread, as at 12:33 GMT 11 May '11)

when Romero switches off the device at the end of the "self-run test 1" vid (18:48), the DC converter is no longer connected to the joint output of the FWBRs - but it is STILL CONNECTED to the buffer cap

IF there was a battery in the cap then it would be STILL CONNECTED to the motor drive when Romero disconnects the FWBRs!

yet, instantly he disconnects the FWBRs (at 18:48) you can hear the rotor start to spin down

the FWBR o/p is across the only 2 connections on the buffer cap, so IF there was a battery inside the cap, then we'd then have to claim that Romero has also hidden an extra circuit into the cap which detects that the battery terminal voltage has dropped slightly (because no i/p now from FWBRs) and therefore disconnects the battery from those same 2 terminals

of course, at start-up, such a circuit would then need to be able to detect that the FWBRs have just been connected and connect the battery to those same 2 terminals again

so to avoid extra sensing complexity, our 'Cap-Spoofing' circuit would probably need to be continuously connected to the 'hidden' battery (or have a 2nd battery available) so that it could re-connect the main battery to the terminals again
[...]
the whole 'battery-in-cap' objection starts to look just a tad, shall we say, 'far-fetched'?!?
[...]
the DC Conv was switched to 12V at ~18:10 (DVM shows 12V)

Romero states that at 12V DC conv setting he reads ~15V at buffer cap

energy for 15V in 47000uF cap (at switch-off, 18:48) ~= 5.3 Joules = 5.3 Watt-seconds

at 12V i/p the motor draws 12W

so - at switch-off, with 5.3 Watt-seconds in the cap, and even IF the DC converter could convert it all (which it can't!) then the cap can only supply enough energy to drive the motor for less than HALF a second!

it's pretty clear, therefore, that the ONLY function of the buffer cap is to filter the FWBR o/p waveform and provide steady, smoothed DC

ie. when Romero disconnects the FWBRs - that baby is just going to spin down
(taking about 100 seconds - replicators please note - good bearings - low cogging - nice work Romero!)

this same argument applies to a SuperCap - IF there was a SuperCap hidden inside the 47000uF case, then it would have to get disconnected by the same sort of circuit i just described - otherwise the rotor would NOT spin down in 100 seconds

from  link -->  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.msg285674#msg285674
 

enough distractions - let's get back to work, eh?
 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #784 on: May 11, 2011, 04:41:59 PM »
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Offline khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #785 on: May 11, 2011, 04:42:36 PM »
Companies and corporation fight each other to hire the TALENT that are the experts in the fields of intelect and technology that they offer for sale in their products and services.  So an entity that wished to capitalize on Romerouk's find would not want to purchase the device.  They would want to hire HIM.  It is through his expertise that they would have the best chance to be first to market with devices that utilize the technology he has harnessed.

If you assume also that Romerouk is the upstanding fellow he appears to be, working with such a company would be the fastest way to HELP the people that need the benefits of this technology.  Helping us "nutters" to have personal generators on our workbenches is a nice validation, but only a delay in getting this into products that can help the world.  So by joining a reputable company he could get financial security and further his desires to pursue inventing and propagating his visions.  Who wouldn't jump on that?

I hope the reality is more like this scenario, or that he has just stepped off the stage for now for his own peace of mind.  He has definitely given enough information to the public to ensure it is not lost.  So no "buyout" scenarios with intentions to suppress makes sense.

Now, back to work, all of you.  The replicators have my admiration and gratitude.  Please post everything you learn, including the failures.

Thanks,

M.

Are you serious or is it some kind of excentric humor  ::)
When you are serious, then ... oh dear ... need to be hurry and ask doctor to give some pills :o
Talent ... experts ... intelect ... technology ... oh boy, what kind of bathos!!! .... mhh, this is very serious case,
cheers,
khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #786 on: May 11, 2011, 04:48:26 PM »
on a negative note, in the video where its running suspended it looks to me as if its going entirely too slow to be working in self-run the same way it was displayed before being suspended.

on a positive note, in the original video he has an insane amount of excess if you factor in obvious losses. the information he has already provided should be more than enough to create a replication if someone can afford the parts.
with the info hes given id think this replication would at least show a unity if done correctly, assuming it was poorly replicated. seems like his results are far too efficient for at least a "ballpark" to not easily be reached with a few tries.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Offline mondrasek

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #787 on: May 11, 2011, 04:51:10 PM »
Can u give an example of one free energy device that has gotten this financial security.
I have not seen one device that was ever shown to be "free energy" where enough details were disclosed so that successful and demonstrated replications were produced.
I can give up to 10 that have been surpressed thru this model u r proposing.
Go ahead and try to back that statement up with facts.  Name any 10 where enough details were disclosed so that successful and demonstrated replications were produced, that were then successfully suppressed.

The suppression theories can only be a reality if the device/technology to be suppressed is NOT disclosed to a large enough audience.  RomeroUK made sure to disclose that level of detail before he "disappeared".  I, for one, hope he has been offered the chance to bring the technology to market sooner, or just is waiting for the replicators to catch up.  You can believe whatever you want.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #788 on: May 11, 2011, 04:53:05 PM »
Then figure out how he did the first video with the lamp directly connected to the rectifier
output with any DC2DC converter...

I have to hash over one time more:
I did not speak about Romero and hes device,
I just did fantasise how it could be done - to build any such kind of UO device and present on the video as successful performance :o
with due respect,
khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #789 on: May 11, 2011, 04:56:55 PM »
Are you serious or is it some kind of excentric humor  ::)
When you are serious, then ... oh dear ... need to be hurry and ask doctor to give some pills :o
Talent ... experts ... intelect ... technology ... oh boy, what kind of bathos!!! .... mhh, this is very serious case,
cheers,
khabe
Quite serious.  I work for a high tech company in a field with relatively few competitors.  We guard our talent against competitors.  We will not post a company organization chart for this reason:  Recruiting firms would use it to try and convince our talent to go to the competition.

And when anyone does leave, they usually end up working for the competition.  We hire from our competitors all the time.

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Re: Criminal penalties for perpetrator?
« Reply #790 on: May 11, 2011, 04:58:04 PM »
WHAT IS THIS!

Sterling got badly burned on the mylow thing and so is just trying to cover his ass here with this stupid remark.

Ron

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Offline lumen

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #791 on: May 11, 2011, 05:01:26 PM »
I just finished reading every post in this thread and as hard as it is to believe a real OU device to exist, I believe RomeroUK's device is real. The design may be different enough from the Muller Dynamo because of the increase in output that it can be Patented. In view of this, it is more than likely that someone with money (the rich get richer) made an offer that he accepted. I hope he first gets a good lawyer since a device like this sold outright would be worth trillions a year! Royalties or limited use along with hundreds of millions up front may also be an option. Romero needs to look out for Romero first!

In any case, enough was posted to build this for yourself as hobbyists without any future patent infringement.
I hope everyone continues on their projects to duplicate the device. Unless something different comes up, I plan to start my build this weekend.
Cheers!





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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #792 on: May 11, 2011, 05:10:46 PM »
Quite serious.  I work for a high tech company in a field with relatively few competitors.  We guard our talent against competitors.  We will not post a company organization chart for this reason:  Recruiting firms would use it to try and convince our talent to go to the competition.

And when anyone does leave, they usually end up working for the competition.  We hire from our competitors all the time.

Yeah, now it is more understandable at least for me
and no bathoses anymore  ::)
Surelly I was not to offend you , just my style of joke   ;)
cheers,
khabe

Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #793 on: May 11, 2011, 05:11:25 PM »
  I know Sterling Allan personally.  Decent fellow, but I did not like his post claiming a hoax by RomeroUK --without a shred of evidence presented.  And it almost sounded like a threat of "civil" or "criminal penalties", ie. a Lawsuit.  And he spoke of an embarassing article at his website -- but who will be embarrassed in the end?

 Such talk by Sterling unfortunately puts a damper on efforts to pursue alternative energy and I don't like it.

I sent Sterling an email, will let you know what he responds.

Posting at OUResearch this morning:
"OMG Stirling is talking about going after him in the courts for wasting peoples time to deter similar future hoaxes, and they have his address, what a mess"
In response to Sterling's post here...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #794 on: May 11, 2011, 05:14:53 PM »
on a negative note, in the video where its running suspended it looks to me as if its going entirely too slow to be working in self-run the same way it was displayed before being suspended.
[...]

hi Magneticist

iirc Romero first tried to video his device suspended from a cord - he reported that it swung about too wildly to make a reasonable video so he ended up trying to video it in his hand

another member (neptune?) made an unconnected comment much earlier, i believe, giving a warning to replicators about possible dangers when trying to move a reasonably heavy spinning disc because of gyroscopic forces

i also thought it sounded like the motor was running slower, but i'm thinking perhaps Romero switched the DC converter to a lower voltage purposefully to make it easier to hold the device steady with one hand whilst trying to video it with the other

seem reasonable?
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