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Offline k4zep

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #720 on: May 11, 2011, 05:42:18 AM »
Hi Fausto,
here is a picture for you to better explain it.
Hope you see it now, that your last posting was wrong...

Gang, I'll give you my take on it.  It is very simple, he started the generator on the battery at around 12.6VDC, the DC/DC converter started running on the 15+DC output of the generator with 12.6 VDC out,give or take to fold back but not connected to start. He then paralleled the output of the DC converter with the battery, then took the battery out of the circuit and it was then running on the converter!  Why are all the doubters making it so hard.  The differential current between the converter and battery was almost nill as voltage was basically the same and was a simple and nifty way to show how he eliminated the battery!!!!!  No more, no less.  Lordy, so much BS about nothing. 

Now quit BSing and start building! I'm tired of seeing the same thing beat to death again and again and again! What has happened is so un-characteristic of the man that I prefer to think it was the real deal. Everything else is just like the "National Enquirer" IF anyone comes up with something negative, first explain it to their wife or girlfriend, when she agrees, post it!  Ha.   

So lets build, have fun, and hope someone hits on it!  If not, life will go on!  I'll post pictures good, bad or ugly in a couple weeks when parts come together!  I'm fully convinced that building is not the problem if done with some degree of precision, getting the correct spacing between all the magnets and cores with maximum output, maximum RPM, with minimum input, is where the work will be.  Lets see, 18 separate bias magnet adjustments, 16 coil/core to magnet adjustments, two Hall effect sensors to adjust for maximum speed.  That should keep even the most avid tinker/builder busy for a few days!!!!!

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« Reply #721 on: May 11, 2011, 05:48:33 AM »
Guys,
Just a quick word on rotors. I cut mine out of "cutting board" plastic that can be bought at any restaurant supply house. They are 1/2 inch thick, which is the same thickness as the neos I am using. I drill a 1/2 inch hole in the center on my drill press, so that once it is rough cut on the ban saw, jig saw, or whatever saw I happen to feel like using that day, I can slide it onto the shaft of my bench grinder after the grinding wheel is removed. Then I can spin it up to high rpm's and use any one of a number of word working rasps, files, etc., to smooth it down to its final shape and assure that it is ROUND. Then I stick it back on the drill press, using the 1/2 inch bit through the existing hole to center it. I clamp it into place, and then remove the 1/2 inch drill bit and drill whatever size center hole I want. I usually cut two at once and make them all the same. Then I use a template to mark the center holes for the positions of the magnets, and drill the holes for them. Here are two I made today with 1" neos fro this project.

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« Reply #722 on: May 11, 2011, 05:50:33 AM »
Gang, I'll give you my take on it.  It is very simple, he started the generator on the battery at around 12.6VDC, the DC/DC converter started running on the 15+DC output of the generator with 12.6 VDC out,give or take to fold back but not connected to start. He then paralleled the output of the DC converter with the battery, then took the battery out of the circuit and it was then running on the converter!  Why are all the doubters making it so hard.  The differential current between the converter and battery was almost nill as voltage was basically the same and was a simple and nifty way to show how he eliminated the battery!!!!!  No more, no less.  Lordy, so much BS about nothing. 

Now quit BSing and start building! I'm tired of seeing the same thing beat to death again and again and again! What has happened is so un-characteristic of the man that I prefer to think it was the real deal. Everything else is just like the "National Enquirer" IF anyone comes up with something negative, first explain it to their wife or girlfriend, when she agrees, post it!  Ha.   

So lets build, have fun, and hope someone hits on it!  If not, life will go on!  I'll post pictures good, bad or ugly in a couple weeks when parts come together!  I'm fully convinced that building is not the problem if done with some degree of precision, getting the correct spacing between all the magnets and cores with maximum output, maximum RPM, with minimum input, is where the work will be.  Lets see, 18 separate bias magnet adjustments, 16 coil/core to magnet adjustments, two Hall effect sensors to adjust for maximum speed.  That should keep even the most avid tinker/builder busy for a few days!!!!!

Ben K4ZEP

Your're right. Please, read my post before this one. I am with you. Let's build. My parts are on the way.

We need ALSO to look at every detail of this video and evidence presented. We will dissect it many times since it is not an easy thing to come up with an OU device. So, with that being said, I will probably show many more pictures and ask more questions about it.

Not to be skeptical at all, after all you can see my videos on Youtube and easily see I am crazy believer in OU and a experimentalist. It is simply necessary to honestly discuss ALL the parameters and eliminate doubt. It is through this process that we learn.

In my case, I raised an issue and Now I learned how the DC is connected back to the battery which I was not able to see before, BUT it took my honest open criticism of the my not understanding of the problem to get it solved.

Peace,

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #722 on: May 11, 2011, 05:50:33 AM »
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Offline e2matrix

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« Reply #723 on: May 11, 2011, 06:00:44 AM »
I am pretty convinced this is for real too. That was the only thing I could spot looking very closely to the videos that was strange (as I said before).

Everything on the video, the voltage fluctuations, the cables, the way the motor spins and current changes, the voltage variations of the DC and the motor reaction, the non-Lenz effect when the lamp is connected and the speed did not change.

If this was a fake is a dam good fake of tremendous details. Details of the level of one guy that should KNOW how it should behave in those conditions. Which is only possible for people that really experiment with this stuff.

I am glad I am doing the investment on the parts and I tell you they ARE NOT CHEAP at all and I will probably still buy more to make this correct.

I put my money where my mouth is!

Fausto.
Good deal plengo.  I'm glad you see it now.  Have you stripped coax cable before?  I've done plenty and it was obvious for me and hopefully for others too now. 

build on ....

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #724 on: May 11, 2011, 06:14:48 AM »
Guys,
Just a quick word on rotors. I cut mine out of "cutting board" plastic that can be bought at any restaurant supply house. They are 1/2 inch thick, which is the same thickness as the neos I am using. I drill a 1/2 inch hole in the center on my drill press, so that once it is rough cut on the ban saw, jig saw, or whatever saw I happen to feel like using that day, I can slide it onto the shaft of my bench grinder after the grinding wheel is removed. Then I can spin it up to high rpm's and use any one of a number of word working rasps, files, etc., to smooth it down to its final shape and assure that it is ROUND. Then I stick it back on the drill press, using the 1/2 inch bit through the existing hole to center it. I clamp it into place, and then remove the 1/2 inch drill bit and drill whatever size center hole I want. I usually cut two at once and make them all the same. Then I use a template to mark the center holes for the positions of the magnets, and drill the holes for them. Here are two I made today with 1" neos fro this project.

Dbowling,  Nice suggestions and just what we need at this point as some may hesitate to spend a lot more at this point so money saving ideas are great.  Seeing as many new people here I have a feeling there are a whole lot more replications going on than we can even guess.  In general I think most forums have 10 to 20% of the people actually making posts and 80 to 90% just reading and building while being quiet.  Some people are just shy and some are just quiet types but I think this device is going VIRAL ! 

Sorry Romero I hope this doesn't effect you in any negative way but unless it was a buyout that's going to end up in Walmart in 6 months I gotta say the world needs this NOW and not stuffed away in some underground facility or shelved or in R & D for 20 years or any of the other nonsense that seems to always happen. 

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« Reply #725 on: May 11, 2011, 06:17:27 AM »
Its a clear as day the  battery lead is the coax supply from the DC inverter.  If you ever stripped back a laptop supply you see the same wire. Its SHIELDED coax because its a switching inverter and is RF noisy and there are inline chokes fitted near the inverter also.

Oh wait that might be an AA battery with some black tape around it...oh bugger.:)

PS make sure you find some nice cores otherwise this ain't going to work. Its the very reason Muller went in search of special black Amorphous sand. However in recent years high power Switching PSU's require very high permeability cores some are 100 or 1000 times better than standard ferrite so no need to go looking for black sand.


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« Reply #726 on: May 11, 2011, 06:41:13 AM »
bolt,  any ideas where one can find some small metglas or similar rods?  I was looking for some but so far no luck.  Not sure I can afford but will consider it if I can find some.

i did spot some yesterday on a google search they are not easy to find you need specialist core company. None on ebay either only standard ferrite stuff.

I don’t know how well it would work but try 2 or 3 rings toroidal cores made of metglas or better and glue them together. Plenty of those things everywhere compared to tube cores especially if you go over 1/4".  Wrap a piece of card around them then wind on to that instead. If you see the SR Kapandze replication he used about 12 off metglass toroidal cores. Im only mentioning this because everything is related in this game. He almost certainly used counter wound opposing coils instead of magnets to create the backend flux re-gauging then forced the cores into the non linear BH region. The modulated HT provides the cores excitation without spinning magnets. Sorry to detract but when you "join the dots" in these systems makes it a lot easier to understand what it happening here.

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« Reply #727 on: May 11, 2011, 06:48:16 AM »
I am hoping someone does replicate this. well at worst you will a few extra parts for future projects. To the MIB and big oil fans...go read up on Rossi. He has a device that puts out kilowatts of power while only consuming a gram of Hydrogen and nickle and an unknown catylist. Is very small and the greek government is supporting it and investors are funding it. They are planning to start with 300,000 units per year plus lincence other companies. It costs all up less than 1c  kilowatt to run. He is involving Universities in verifying it and they are signing licence deals world wide. So where is the MIB and big oil. He has demonstrated publically and to the press out puts 40 times the input...may not be overunity exactly but is simplistic and spectatcular.
So for all the conspiracy theorists please go explain how he has managed to do that.
Mark

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« Reply #728 on: May 11, 2011, 07:32:22 AM »
I thought you guys were smarter than this  ::)

REALLY???  You thought that??  LOL  :D

When the people wanna believe....they wanna believe enmasse....TESTIFY!!!!

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #729 on: May 11, 2011, 07:55:32 AM »
I too thought he was shorting the battery out, but after further examination I concluded (what others here have pointed out too) that the black wire is split into a white and a grey...

All in all, this project looks very promising..... my only wish is to build it my self .. but i feel my skills and experience just isn't enough to get my head around it (technically) :(

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« Reply #730 on: May 11, 2011, 08:03:10 AM »
trolls are still trying.  This may seem off topic.  However I hope all of you can see how appropriate it is at this time as it is the same situation or close to it.  It is time to stop putting up with this bullshit.  Stop looking over your shoulder if you have something.  Time to turn the tables and become the pursuers instead of the pursued.
Look at this and tell me this isn't maddening and much the same as what is happening here.  This just came out today:

" Jim Humble NEWSLETTER
Kill Order #?
5/10/2011

I have just learned from a highly reliable source that the FBI now has a kill order on Jim Humble.  That’s me.  I wish I could say that the Government source isn’t very reliable, but this source has proven to be very reliable up to this time.  Several plans were to be considered including having me invited to a country in Asia and there I would have an accident.  The other possibility was that I could have an accident here in the Dominican Republic, but that would be a less likely plan.  But remember, when Obama says kill, that's what they do.  It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not.   

Why not?  They kidnapped my friend, Greg Caton, from Ecuador and brought him back to prison after Ecuador had given him political asylum.   It was in the newspaper about a year ago.  Check it out for yourself. Search for "Greg Canton Kidnapped" in Google search.   I have another friend in prison for healing people and another one, with his legs blown off for healing people.   There is a list of 160 scientists who have made inventions that would aid mankind in one way or another who have died violent deaths in the past 20 years.  That isn’t my idea.  Check it out on the internet.   I don’t care if you believe in conspiracy theories or not; just be willing to read.  It’s all there.

The reason I am telling you this is, so that when I come up missing or come up dead you will know what has really happened.  And of course, you probably already know that should my death occur, all my books and other materials on MMS become public domain. That is already written into my copyright.  Hopefully then, people who knew me or of me will print my books, mainly the last one, and hand them out wholesale until everyone on the planet has one.

I know that there are many of you that are not accustomed to this sort of thing, but on the other hand I have gotten letters from time to time that show that there are many people who do know the score.  And the score is, that there are people in this world who are beginning to lose money because of MMS.  That, of course is, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, clinics, doctors, and a host of related industries.  They aren’t too worried about a few million dollars of losses now, but they are looking at the huge loss that will soon be happening when MMS becomes popular. We all know that, “the love of money”, is one of the main reasons for the world’s problems.

Of course, it is a little late for them to do anything now with more than 8 million people having used MMS and with thousands of web sites and with thousands of MMS success stories posted all over the world. But still, if they could say I disappeared and then if they put some poisoned MMS out without me to oppose them they might make some of their lies stick.  Remember, for every cancer patient that they convince that MMS doesn’t work they make $800,000 dollars for the cancer industry. A similar story exists for malaria the worst disease of mankind and many other diseases."

 


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« Reply #731 on: May 11, 2011, 08:58:02 AM »
yesterday it was all about the fun of assembling things. Let's try to keep that way. Maybe we learn some things in the process. It does not really matter what kind of conspiracy theory is true regarding romerouk, he gave all the info he had, all he asked is a confirmation for the process. In the end it was not him claiming anything, he only tried to replicate other's claims. I see no point for him to disappear without a reason(whatever that would be)

ps: I wonder why bill muller was not shot

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« Reply #732 on: May 11, 2011, 09:07:29 AM »
I wonder why Sterling Allen wasn't all over this one? Does anyone else find that weird?

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« Reply #733 on: May 11, 2011, 09:26:10 AM »
[...]
Maybe we learn some things in the process
[...]

hi Tudi, welcome back

what did you make of the Dragone paper i posted for you?

np


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« Reply #734 on: May 11, 2011, 09:53:58 AM »
Hi nul-points

In the first line of dragone document it states : ...the current in the coil is turned on, the coil fields can aid or cancel the PM field.
That means you are sacrificing power from a source to cancel out an electromagenetic field. There is only loss here and absolutly no gain. He might be right about harnesing the "comback of the EMF" which in absolut theoretical values would give you a total 0 energy cycle ( you spent energy to cancel out the EMF, then your harnessed the resonant circuit to get back that same energy).
They say that a permanent magnet creates a magnetic field that is considered a STATE and not energy. You cannot harness a state. Yes, moving metals close to a magnet will also try to align their state to their neighbour thanks to the mechanical energy you sacrifice to force them move closer or leave the field.
Yes, the document is right about the fenomenon of thermal energy gain loss when fields get created or colapsed. This is documented on wikipedia. Permanent magnets are created at high temperature and high magnetic field when the structure of the material gets rearanged. This magnetic property will be lost if one of the above conditions are met to cancel out the rearangement. This is important to know to understand why the core of a coil heats up. As you move a permanent magnet close to the ferite core, you sacrifice mechanical energy to rearange the structure of the ferite core to inherit the magnetic state of the permanent magnet. As the magnet leaves the vecinity of the core the ferite gets rearanged again. Due to the 2 state changes, the mechanical energy gets converted into heat.
Yes, there are theories this heat can be converted back to another form of energy.

short version: muller generator is about having balance. The idea is to not convert mechanical energy into heat by changing the ferite core. It is also about avoiding the trap of the backemf.
Imagine you breath through a pipe. The air is electron flow. You try to inhale using the pipe ( PM getting close to coil) but you take your mouth away when breathing out ( the colapsing field will try to obtain energy from other forms ). There are theories that this colapsing field will take much longer to get to a 0 point then the amount of time it takes to build up, some say that in case the circuit separation is not mechanical + strong enough a virtual capacitor will get created at the separation point and slowly discharging ( the discharge gap of many devices i see around ).

Why i think this circuit might work :
- there are states of this machine when electromagnetic fields are getting created and colapsed. EMF is a state, it is not energy ! State changes come from mechanical energy in this device.
- there is a smart circuit to try to separate the back EMF from the EMF buildup
- the positioning of the magnets ABOVE the coils that are trying to balance the magnetic state of the machine

how i imagine this circuit could be improved :
- achieve the perfect magnetic balance. This is as i imagine a state when the rotating plate in the middle will not try to stick in to a certain position. It will continuesly rotate without having a very strong lockdown position. This will ensure a close to 1:1 mechanical to electrical conversion if the ferite rods will not try to change magnetic state( heat up ).
- improve the back EMF separation circuit. Try to do some math for the breakpoint of diodes and transistors. Make sure you will manage to break the resonant circuit (R L C )
- make sure you give enough time for the coils to demagnetize. Not sure where this energy will be drawn from. Your best case is heat ( i just read documents ) maybe switching to a new source (like ground grounding )
- the ferite core details might be important. If this gets heated then it is not good at all.

The devil is in the details. The number of coils / magnets, there should be no state 0 of this device, it should be in perfect balance, the spacing between magnets, coils needs to get close to perfection. One coil will always build up EMF while the other will try to deplete.

But note that a perfect balanced device will run for quite a while from the initial input energy. Think about a pendulum clock that can run for a day or so from 1 kick. So, to test out the gain, you should have a strong as possible consumer (lightbulb) that will not kill the looping device.

PS : i'm a programer that spends all day debugging issues. My job is to be an analist and not a physician. I try to see the multiple aproaches and try to get the common part of the circuits described on this forum. Try to eliminate the nonsense parts and get the main idea.
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