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Author Topic: Muller Dynamo  (Read 3513733 times)

Offline plengo

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #705 on: May 11, 2011, 04:50:21 AM »
Look again.

I just watched again and indeed at 2:52 to 2:55 where he connects the red cable, which is ALSO connected to the negative, to the positive of the battery for about 8 seconds (which should definitely melt the cable). See pics.

I don't know what this means. I am not saying it is a fake, actually I think it is for real, but something is wrong here.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #706 on: May 11, 2011, 04:50:31 AM »
And yet again more doubt being spread.
I think it's plainly obvious for anyone with two braincells to rub together that romero has been suppressed in some manner.
Anyone, tell me where in the scientific method is doubt and casting doubt and this without a shred of evidence to support such doubt.
Science is based on experiments and replication, now leave the people to their constructive activities.
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #707 on: May 11, 2011, 04:50:57 AM »
Okay, I analyzed the first Video of him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KVU3ZM14rw

again.

I have followed all cables in single frame mode with
a local flash player on my PC with the HD version of
the movie and this machine is in my opinion for real.

He has all bridge rectifiers in parallel and at the switch, where
he switches on the bulb lamp, he just puts the 12 Volts
DC from all the parallel rectifier outputs onto the single red wire.
From there it goes first into the analog ampmeter and then to the analog voltmeter.
So the ampmeter is before the voltmeter.
From the voltmeter only the one yello cable goes to the bulb and at the bulb
the second yellow cable goes away to a "Y" connection where it meets the
black cable going to the analog voltmeter and the scond black cable going
up again to the black cable going to the minus pole of ALL
rectifiers.
So this output circuit is for real and it shows 12 Volts at 2 amps= 24 Watts.

Also there is no capacitor and this is probably pulsed DC where every
of the 7 coilpairs gives 2 x 12 Volts sin^2 pulse as shown in the scope shot.
As this is bridge rectified every coilpair gives 2 of these pulses and all
superimpose over time and as the rotor is spinng pretty fast these
analog meters show steady averaged values.

Also when he starts the device you can see for a blink of a second, that
the digital ampmeter shows 2.60 amps input current.
That is, when all 2 series coilpairs conduct from the 12.64 Volts battery voltage.

So one driver coilpair then has 2.6 / 2 = 1.3 amps running through the 2 series coils.
So
12.64 Volts / 1.3 amps= 9.72 Ohm for 2 coils in series.

So every single coil has about 4.86 Ohms of DC resistance.

I guess this could be for real, if you take the diameter of the 7 wires in parallel
and the 300 turns.

So this video is in my eyes, for real.

Also all his prior videos and the fact that he is also working on the
Magnacoster device also on his table are really very convincing,
that he did not do any fake...

Regards, Stefan.

Nice work Stefan.  Thanks for going through that video so thoroughly.  Sometime back maybe 6 months to a year ago I had some PM's with Romero.  He has been intimidated or threatened in the past on some thing he was building.  Hopefully that didn't happen here but on the other hand the timing of him announcing that followed shortly after you halted some trolls so I'm somewhat wondering if one of those trolls or whoever they are decided to take revenge by sending Romero some threat to look like a MIB or something that Romero took as a real threat and bailed - which I couldn't blame him as he's got a family to worry about.  Either way like most here I think he was onto something as it would make absolutely no sense for him to shoot himself in the foot by faking something and taking it this far and then saying it was fake.  Only two scenario's would cause that and we know both of them are possible.  For his sake I hope it turned into some money and security for his family but depending on the situation they could well be watching him the rest of his life as I know someone in this situation. 
 
  I don't really think this can be stopped at this point if it's valid and I think there is every reason to believe it is.  There are way too many very sharp researcher/builders here with a tenacious mindset to stop this. 

   BUILD ON .....

P.S.  I had not yet finished reading the last several pages and see now it looks like a buyout was more likely.  Hopefully if that's the case it is a 'safe' group to deal with. 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #708 on: May 11, 2011, 04:58:30 AM »
I dont know what happened to Romero. I believe him and I wish him well.

If he did sell, what would most choose, the pain in the ass the past week has been, or a new life?  I hope he has a good new life if thats the case. We have enough to move on. And even if he has a deal going on, then THEY must fully know of us and what is presented, and staying presented. Thats the odd part.  I think a big co. if interested in making money with it, would probably think twice due to massive disclosure that already exists.  If it was BIG co. then they could care less other than to eliminate the target device to not let it in the open.

But Romero probably did not accept first offerings and continued to disclose.  Thats the scary senario, as it may help us assume what really went down.  :(

Either way, if the big co. took it, well knowing of the disclosure so far, or if BIG co. took it, I believe Romero is still anticipating us to continue on  ;D , as he is out of the loop now.

Good luck Romero!!  Thanks for everything. Really. You are the man.  ;)

Here are some things I think on the device.....

In that scope shot. Is that the combined output of all coils in succession, or is it of just 1 coil pair?

Either way, I see the larger flat spot as if the rotor mag is in between coils. And the peaks are showing when the mag is on top of the approaching edge of the coil or close and just after passing the core. The short flat spots are when the mag is over the core.

When the mag approaches the coil, it is concentrated on just one side of the coil, producing a positive or negative peak, and on the exit we see the opposite polarity peak.

As the mag approaches, the mags field is attracted to the side of the coils core, where the windings are, causing current to flow in one direction through the coil. And when the mag passes the core, the field lines will be attracted to the exit side of the core, causing current to flow the other way.

I think if we analyze the wave form, I believe we can see a difference in the attack and decay of the peaks, as it should be, because of where the mag filelds begin and end in the attack, and where they begin and end in the decay.

Like in an alternator stator core,( you can search pics to see) its not the armature field just jumping from core section to core section that causes the current in the stator windings, its the fields being dragged along the stator core and flowing into the winding gaps that creates the currents in the windings.  ;]  The fields need to CUT the windings to produce current in the wire. Period.  ;]

Now we have another ingredient. The Bias mags.  ;]

Are they just biasing the coils?

I see it this way.....

Lets just picture 1 set of coils, top and bottom, no rotor.

I think that being the top and bottom are in attraction to each other, when the rotor mag is not over the coils, but in between coils, that this attraction happens and helps to create a flux field band between top and bottom coils. Not necessarily tight, but a band of moderate concentration.

Now we will just look at the top coil and assume the bottom will mirror the tops actions.  ;]

When the rotor mag approaches the coil, we might think that the mag is not attracted to the coil core. It may not, being the core is biased in repulsion to the approaching mag pole. This approach of the rotor mag will most likely push the bias field to the opposite side of the coil core. Now we have the bias mags field cutting the exit side of the coil, and we have the entry side of the coil being cut by the rotor mag.  ;)

This combination could be doubling the amount of flux cutting the coil at that time. Instead of just cutting on the approaching side, and just the exit side when the mag passes the coil.  This may be key to his amount of generation, for such an open and seemingly sparse generator construction, say as compared to any production model considered.

More later....

Mags

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #709 on: May 11, 2011, 04:59:31 AM »
@ plengo i noticed that too i thought i saw it wrong and didnt doubletake =)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #710 on: May 11, 2011, 05:01:23 AM »
I just watched again and indeed at 2:52 to 2:55 where he connects the red cable, which is ALSO connected to the negative, to the positive of the battery for about 8 seconds (which should definitely melt the cable). See pics.

I don't know what this means. I am not saying it is a fake, actually I think it is for real, but something is wrong here.

Fausto.

No, Fausto,
have a better look !
The red cable 2 that you declared is just only connected to the white positive output lead of the DC2DC converter.
The other "White colored" or "better silver colored cable" from the DC2DC converter is the "ground cable" of the DC2DC converter
connected to the minus pole of the battery.

Hope you see it now.
The black output cable of the DC2DC converter has of course 2 different leads, not one !


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #711 on: May 11, 2011, 05:07:53 AM »
I just watched again and indeed at 2:52 to 2:55 where he connects the red cable, which is ALSO connected to the negative, to the positive of the battery for about 8 seconds (which should definitely melt the cable). See pics.

I don't know what this means. I am not saying it is a fake, actually I think it is for real, but something is wrong here.

Fausto.

See?


Edit sorry can't draw worth a darn ..please fix and I will remove this one

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #712 on: May 11, 2011, 05:09:15 AM »
Guys, lets drop the drama and get busy.  ;D

If Romero is rich or shaking scared, I think he would be thrilled to see us finish this and gitter dun.   ;)

Lets here some theories. Lets help each other and ignore the crappers.
They are not worth it. Ignore Ignore Ignore. they will feel unimportant soon enough to not even waste the time any further.  ;)

I am going to do some investigating on my theory above. We need to understand this.

Keep on keepin on

Mags

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #713 on: May 11, 2011, 05:11:02 AM »
Hi Fausto,
here is a picture for you to better explain it.
Hope you see it now, that your last posting was wrong...



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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #714 on: May 11, 2011, 05:16:54 AM »
Hi Fausto,
here is a picture for you to better explain it.
Hope you see it now, that your last posting was wrong...

THANK YOU Stefan, I new something was wrong and it was me. I am soooooo glad.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #715 on: May 11, 2011, 05:22:01 AM »
Go on guys... we are almost there...
« Last Edit: May 11, 2011, 05:46:02 AM by abdlquadri »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #716 on: May 11, 2011, 05:23:15 AM »
Yes, now you are right, Fausto.

The left white cable from the black DC2DC converter cable is the positive voltage output of the DC2DC converter
and the right more silvery colored cable is the ground cable of the DC2DC converter output ( minus pole).

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« Reply #717 on: May 11, 2011, 05:28:21 AM »
Yes, now you are right, Fausto.

The left white cable from the black DC2DC converter cable is the positive voltage output of the DC2DC converter
and the right more silvery colored cable is the ground cable of the DC2DC converter output ( minus pole).

I am pretty convinced this is for real too. That was the only thing I could spot looking very closely to the videos that was strange (as I said before).

Everything on the video, the voltage fluctuations, the cables, the way the motor spins and current changes, the voltage variations of the DC and the motor reaction, the non-Lenz effect when the lamp is connected and the speed did not change.

If this was a fake is a dam good fake of tremendous details. Details of the level of one guy that should KNOW how it should behave in those conditions. Which is only possible for people that really experiment with this stuff.

I am glad I am doing the investment on the parts and I tell you they ARE NOT CHEAP at all and I will probably still buy more to make this correct.

I put my money where my mouth is!

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #718 on: May 11, 2011, 05:34:45 AM »
Key to making this work is absolute essential to use ferrite cores as minimum standard. BUT its much better to use metglas or other extreme high permeability cores because this is the OU transform component. Expect to spend as much if not more on the cores as the neo magnets as they work in harmony.

Next is minimise all losses. bearings, build quality etc must be precision made. Unless you have several hundred dollars to spend on doing this properly then you are wasting your time and money.

Many people still doubt this device. Clearly never done any homework to see Muller made dozens and dozens of OU self looping generators. He sold quite a few i imagine they are still powering someone's houses today. Many people went to see him and his generators before he died.

bolt,  any ideas where one can find some small metglas or similar rods?  I was looking for some but so far no luck.  Not sure I can afford but will consider it if I can find some.

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« Reply #719 on: May 11, 2011, 05:42:01 AM »
I am pretty convinced this is for real too. That was the only thing I could spot looking very closely to the videos that was strange (as I said before).

Everything on the video, the voltage fluctuations, the cables, the way the motor spins and current changes, the voltage variations of the DC and the motor reaction, the non-Lenz effect when the lamp is connected and the speed did not change.

If this was a fake is a dam good fake of tremendous details. Details of the level of one guy that should KNOW how it should behave in those conditions. Which is only possible for people that really experiment with this stuff.

I am glad I am doing the investment on the parts and I tell you they ARE NOT CHEAP at all and I will probably still buy more to make this correct.

I put my money where my mouth is!

Fausto.

Romero was going out of his way planning to get another video out to prove it's real -- despite of his complaints of such unproductive work and of his word not to do such video again (with many of us expressing our agreement and support on his decision) -- he is a nice guy. Then all in a sudden it is all interrupted, and he is seen no more here...What happened? I hope he is still alive...

 

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