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Offline xenomorphlabs

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #585 on: May 10, 2011, 01:19:11 PM »
( i know every second topic is about vacum and null point energy, but there is no vacum here to create null-point energy).

This is where you draw the wrong conclusion.
The vacuum is underlying everything and is present all the time.
Try reading about the "Casimir Effect" or more illustrative watch
Bearden's "Energy from the vacuum".
Just a suggestion.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #585 on: May 10, 2011, 01:19:11 PM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #586 on: May 10, 2011, 01:21:04 PM »
@nul-points thanks for showing everyones opinion. I tried to NOT divert the discussion in the wrong way. That is why i tried to write in bold my point. I'm trying to extract this new theory you are talking about, the ambiant energy that is absorbed. I could not find any post about speculations in what form does this ambiant energy comes from ( i know every second topic is about vacum and null point energy, but there is no vacum here to create null-point energy). Ofc as this theory is intended to be new, i do not expect that most speculation would even be close to the real reason. Things need to start at some point.
I could use your same speach for the sake of the development of the theoretical part. This even misunderstood theoretical part might help people improve their practical devices at some point.

hi Tudi

firstly, let me apologise for including your name in the reply list (i'll try to edit it out) - i misunderstood your final comment to mean that you hoped it could be shown that there was a 'hidden' trick which would explain the 'mistery'
(>>"Crossing fingers there is some hidden mistery in this device nobody noticed until now")

firstly let me say that it is not a 'theory' that the extra energy is coming from the ambient environment - if there is no energy being supplied by the operator to the system (which for 5 hours, there wasn't) then the only place for the energy to be coming from is the very substance of physical matter and the space (or 'vacuum') it occupies around the experiment

fact - not theory!

i'm using the word 'vacuum' here to mean the fundamental properties of the universe when you remove all the 'coarser' substance which we are currently capable of measuring - not 'vacuum' meaning 'extremely low pressure' in an evacuated container

when we're all talking about zero-point energy it's to the first of those two 'vacuums' that we're referring

you asked what happened after the self-run tests ran for 3 & 5 hours - Romero switched it off so that he could go to bed! (the device creates some noise and i guess he was being considerate to his family & neighbours)

Romero achieved better than 1:0.9999999 - he achieved better than 1:2 - he supplies 12W approx; it self runs, so it is obviously generating at least 12W - and he can also power 10-20W of load in addition

Bill Muller (and at least one other replicator) have achieved similar results

i agree that it is important to reduce the losses in the system so that the mechanical operation is as close to 100% as possible - this is just the starting point to go beyond that 'perceived' limit

i'm glad that you found the speed decrease/increase with adjustment of the converter voltage to be breathtaking - that was a defining moment for me too (as was the shock when he removed the battery and it just kept going!)

i will try to look out some 'new theory' for you - i agree it is important - but i hope you see that in the past it is 'theory' which has been used to convince us that what Romero has achieved is impossible

people have been actively discouraged from doing this sort of experiment in mainstream science because they lose credibility, research finance, even jobs

so - things have come to a 'poor pass' when the general public have to take matters into their own hand - and without theory - prove that some scientific thinking is badly wrong by doing the experiment in their back garden (without a Science Engineering Research Council grant - horrors!)

maybe the scientists will wake up & correct the theory now?

don't hold your breath ;)


good to meet you Tudi - i hope i'm forgiven?
np

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #587 on: May 10, 2011, 01:26:08 PM »
@bolt: are you sure it would work without the pulses? I have my doubts, because what if the pulses caused by the hall sensors and therefore the manipulated polarity of the ferrite cores influence each one of the passing rotor magnets? Then the pulsing would be crucial to the system and it wouldn't be only the "driving" purpose. In that case a "replication" with a motor at the rotor axis instead of the driving coils wouldn't succeed.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #587 on: May 10, 2011, 01:26:08 PM »
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Offline nul-points

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #588 on: May 10, 2011, 01:36:20 PM »
@nul-points,if this problem and it is a big problem, of a hidden power
 source then its a 50/50 chance of doing a successfull replication.
If theres a hidden power source you will never replicate it.And I understand that
Romerouk has a life and may not want to make any  more video's,however he has the
skill level to pull off a fraud
easily,remember the mylow motor fraud and I'm weary of something like that so are a lot of people.
If you believe,without resolving the issue of a hidden power source your a fool.
Like people that believe Steve mark of the tpu fame can't lie there fools too.
Where is your working replication!!, fool, I bet theres none,arm chair mechanic. :o

hi powerunlimited

you've obviously spent a great deal of time studying the evidence of all that Bill Muller, Romero and other successful replicators of this effect have posted on the web over many years

you've carefully weighed the reasons for them spending so much time, effort and money in making these experiments and then sharing them with other like-minded members of the general public

i see that you've also earnestly inquired into my activities in the few short days since Romero showed us all what he's achieved - to make a considered conclusion such as this:

@nul-points

Where is your working replication!!, fool, I bet theres none,arm chair mechanic. :o

are you, by any chance,  a scientist?

ciao bella  ;)
np


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #589 on: May 10, 2011, 01:48:32 PM »
To all those speculating that this device is a fraud without any evidence.

Now is not the time.

Wait and see some replications.

Romero might well become one of the most famous man in history, this is not the way to treat him.

Let's wait and see what happens, time will tell.

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« Reply #589 on: May 10, 2011, 01:48:32 PM »
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Offline bolt

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #590 on: May 10, 2011, 01:51:51 PM »
@bolt: are you sure it would work without the pulses? I have my doubts, because what if the pulses caused by the hall sensors and therefore the manipulated polarity of the ferrite cores influence each one of the passing rotor magnets? Then the pulsing would be crucial to the system and it wouldn't be only the "driving" purpose. In that case a "replication" with a motor at the rotor axis instead of the driving coils wouldn't succeed.

The pulses are ONLY connected to the drive coils to provide rotation. They have nothing to do with the generator coils. This is not speculation but a fact as i know and have seen similar devices working years ago. I seen RV loop setups and RV's driving muller style generators generating HUNDREDS of watts OU. SO therefore any efficient method to provide rotation and convert ALL the coils to generator coils will work but please don't try a standard DC model motor they are only about 65% efficient.  For a powerful setup with say 2" hockey puck coils and neos producing 100 watts each coil for a 1kw system use 3 phase RV to drive it.  Also the rotor doesn’t have to be 100% lug free. Its actually beneficial to have very SLIGHT drag on each coil at full load as it means the system is tuned to the peak. So the rotor might take 30w to spin it but who cares when you are making in excess of a Kw.

Offline k4zep

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #591 on: May 10, 2011, 01:53:26 PM »
Right now I don't give a darn about theory. Too much BS and not enough building.   Romero has shown us a working machine.  He has been as straightforward as any builder I have run across in many years.  So I have only one more question.

Romero, define "Tuning"  in stages.  Are you first tuning for minimum drag on the wheel using the bias magnets and spacing between coils and magnets?  Then do you tune for maximum output, that is maximum peak to peak on the pulses from a core/coil combination, or is it constantly a combination of the two?  Do you tune first without the cap, watching speed of rotor, etc.  And or, do you tune for maximum voltage and current availability on the cap using the rectified DC into a load?  I assume you always have a load on the output wheel and or the individual single coils/magnet assemblies during this process.

Very shortly there will be many different version of this device running!  I  have built many pulse motors over the years and seen the exact
same waveform before rectification many times and never came up with them being OU, But my pulses were NOT offset  from each other
by the even/odd coil system (more Bedini like or variations)  and I did not use the external bias magnets or the ferrite core's.  This is the last question I will ask. Being a old time diddle stick twiddler, I know this can be difficult.

Please explain your description of Tuning if possible  in general terms from start to finish
.  Please!

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Offline neptune

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #592 on: May 10, 2011, 01:54:07 PM »
To all sceptics and naysayers .This thread is for replicators . There is another thread for discussion of the Muller dynamo .Why not go there .If you disbelieve in this technology , just leave us alone .|You may feel that we are wasting time and money . It is ours to waste . There are worse hobbbies we could have , like beating up old ladies , or collecting child pornography .

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #593 on: May 10, 2011, 02:04:18 PM »
To all sceptics and naysayers .This thread is for replicators . There is another thread for discussion of the Muller dynamo .Why not go there .If you disbelieve in this technology , just leave us alone .|You may feel that we are wasting time and money . It is ours to waste . There are worse hobbbies we could have , like beating up old ladies , or collecting child pornography .

Here is a link to the other thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10700.msg284734#msg284734

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #594 on: May 10, 2011, 02:16:17 PM »
Romero, define "Tuning"  in stages.
[...]
Please explain your description of Tuning if possible  in general terms from start to finish.  Please!

Ben K4ZEP

hi Ben

we've scavenged this whole thread for Romero's build tips and they're collected in a few separate pages at our blog, if that's any help

the section on testing is at:
  http://mullerlite.blogspot.com/p/romerouk-testing-tips.html

apologies that they're just raw quotes at the moment - may be a bit of overlap in some of his statements

hope this helps!
np
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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Offline baroutologos

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #596 on: May 10, 2011, 02:47:08 PM »
At this point we need working replicators and replicas to pop-up. No theories, not improvements, not suggestions.

If you are short of skill or resources, its ok. There is a number of skilled people involved that with Romero's guidance will get to the goal.

If you are like me, and have the experimenting virus and like tinkering by all means do proceed. But please, build per specs, see, tune, play, live with it, and the theorize or express oppinion.

...
Regarding the noone has done this before.. I will partially agree, to the fact that there is not a widely available (at least) of any OU device around. That's a fact.
On the other hand, how have you imagined any working OU device to be released in a site like this? If you think it cannot be, then anyone should go play elsewhere. No bad feelings.

I know Romero some time now, and although we had our differences in the OU approach, he is always positive and enthusiastic whereas me for example i am his "dark" counter-part in this field as hopeless skeptic, but experimenter also. Furthermore I can testify that he is very decent, good intentioned and never wanted to fool anyone.

I believe him, and i am replicating his device!
In the bottom line if he was anyone else, he would not make this public for you to speak today, and leave you just wondering after endless and pointless theories and discussions.

A plea to zealot critics. Please, restrain yourselves.

ps: Please, keep this thread focused as much as possible. Not need everyone of the thousand viewers to drop by to say a hello or their opinion.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2011, 03:07:35 PM by baroutologos »

Offline neptune

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #597 on: May 10, 2011, 02:55:21 PM »
@powerunlimited .This technology came on the web one week ago . No replications ? So to please you someone has to replicate this in a WEEK? We are told that he tuning process takes a month . If I had known you were so impatient , and I would have made one the same day .And after tea , a couple of Rossi`s cold fusion reactors . Be reasonable / Please pop back again around Christmas and take a look .

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« Reply #598 on: May 10, 2011, 03:05:45 PM »
I have received some parts for the new build.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #599 on: May 10, 2011, 03:06:34 PM »
@Baroutologos
that was bad ideea....

 

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