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Author Topic: Muller Dynamo  (Read 3609309 times)


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #555 on: May 10, 2011, 12:01:04 AM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #556 on: May 10, 2011, 12:10:49 AM »
PIC? That should do nicely.

By bringing the Hall effect sensor into a discrete input on the PIC, you can use it as a simple reference and synthesize the actual drive pulses anywhere you want to put them. That should give you a big advantage when tuning.

if I can supply more info on this please email me. It works very well at fine tunning any pulse motor. I have a pdf description of it function. 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #557 on: May 10, 2011, 01:01:46 AM »
Hi all,
i see that many questions are about the resistance of the coil.
I don't have the generator at home but as I remember I maeasured it few day ago it was arround 1.7-2 ohms.I have removed one of the pair coils and replaced with a larger one and that has improved the system.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #558 on: May 10, 2011, 01:40:20 AM »
I am about to get another rotor manufactured. as you know the cost is in the tooling so I pay for one is expensive.
so i can have more than one made. If any body is interested please say as I will just get them to do a few more. you will get them for the cost of what they cost me. and  postage.

this is for a rotor the dimensions are on the drawing

toranarod
how much are these rotors going to cost?
let me know when you find out
Kevin

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #559 on: May 10, 2011, 01:54:36 AM »
Hi all,
i see that many questions are about the resistance of the coil.
I don't have the generator at home but as I remember I maeasured it few day ago it was arround 1.7-2 ohms.I have removed one of the pair coils and replaced with a larger one and that has improved the system.

I have removed one of the pair coils and replaced with a larger one and that has improved the system.

Very important statement as i have reiterated many times too many people getting hung up on precise replication of the coils when its the METHOD that is important not the replication.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #560 on: May 10, 2011, 01:56:47 AM »
Hi all,
i see that many questions are about the resistance of the coil.
I don't have the generator at home but as I remember I maeasured it few day ago it was arround 1.7-2 ohms.I have removed one of the pair coils and replaced with a larger one and that has improved the system.

THANK YOU. Right here I stopped my replication direction and I am going to another direction. My current coil is 150mh and 156ohms while yours is 1.2mh and 2ohm. What a great difference.

Definitely the multi-strand coil reduces both values tremendously.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #561 on: May 10, 2011, 02:12:08 AM »
toranarod
how much are these rotors going to cost?
let me know when you find out
Kevin

Each disk in perspex or Acrylic going to  set you back about 50 euro/pounds/dollars so for 3 piece construction going to be around 150 plus all the other hardware, electronics and magnets looking at about 250/300 to build something similar. I am sure Romero has spent thousands in getting to this point.

I cant build this yet i got too much other stuff on the go with HHO etc but when i get around to it i will use 1HP 3 phase motor in RV mode, and bolt the rotor assembly direct to motor flange using all coils as  generator coils. Then i got precision bearing and mount already in place.

BTW i already seen a looped RV using this type of muller construction about 4 years ago over private skype call. I watched it for a couple of hours while it was being tuned and powering a few hundred watts of bulbs. I mentioned it on here many times but 99% didn’t believe such thing could exist.  Im pleased this is finally out in the open as for me it is not  a shock or surprise to see this OU device as i sure it is for most people here.

Check out Konehead he has been making these style motors for years. He met up with Muller many times before he died and has a lot of construction hints that will come in useful.

Oh wouldn’t you just love to go back thru the forum now to all those that said none of this is possible and tell em to stick it where the sun don't shine!! LOL

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #562 on: May 10, 2011, 02:21:24 AM »
keep going, please don’t stop, the price of gas is going up another 6 cents as of midnight, the reason ? None, as usually.

“I have removed one of the pair coils and replaced with a larger one and that has improved the system.”

Did you also substitute the 6mm core with a larger one?

Regards

Mike

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #563 on: May 10, 2011, 02:31:17 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #564 on: May 10, 2011, 02:52:20 AM »
keep going, please don’t stop, the price of gas is going up another 6 cents as of midnight, the reason ? None, as usually.

“I have removed one of the pair coils and replaced with a larger one and that has improved the system.”

Did you also substitute the 6mm core with a larger one?

Regards

Mike
replaced the core with 10mm but just for one set of coils.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #565 on: May 10, 2011, 02:57:16 AM »
@Bolt

Do you or anybody else here have a sense of what the simple description of the actual OU operation is? RomeroUK's system doesn't appear to be resonant, so this apparently isn't a standing wave phenomenon. It appears that the mechanical input is about half of what the electrical output is. So the RV motor doesn't have to be OU in itself, just very efficient to drive the Muller configuration. But what in the Muller configuration is OU exactly?

The question is significant in that if we can understand where the conventional math is not correctly modeling reality, we can predictably design these things, rather than experimenting blindly. That will be required to scale this up to useful levels.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #566 on: May 10, 2011, 03:37:01 AM »
@Bolt

Do you or anybody else here have a sense of what the simple description of the actual OU operation is? RomeroUK's system doesn't appear to be resonant, so this apparently isn't a standing wave phenomenon. It appears that the mechanical input is about half of what the electrical output is. So the RV motor doesn't have to be OU in itself, just very efficient to drive the Muller configuration. But what in the Muller configuration is OU exactly?

The question is significant in that if we can understand where the conventional math is not correctly modeling reality, we can predictably design these things, rather than experimenting blindly. That will be required to scale this up to useful levels.

Yes and the system is resonate but its not obvious at first.  The pulse motor drive section is only a means to push the rotor around that is all. No OU here just any efficient drive will work. Ask Romero to push around by hand it will start generating immediately even without the pulse coils running. This is why RV will drive this and no im not guessing this has been done for YEARS not just so much in public.

The 1.5 coils to magnet ratio just allows for anti clogging again there is no OU in this part either as wind-power people have known for years to build with odd number coils to prevent clogging.  But it helps as all the coils and magnets act as a collective event on the rotor. The OU all happens within the cores.  They are inductors which cause the current to lag in two pulse directions with zero point in the centre.  There is a moment where all the coils are sequential setting up momentary standing waves between the inductor coils L and the dump cap C. When the current is a max within the coil the voltage is zero at the dump cap. However the core itself undergoes transformation as it is biased into the non linear region due to the back end re-gauging magnets. This is the moment where when the voltage is zero the core becomes magnetoconstrictive and reverses entropy. The capacitor sees a real Joule Charge at this moment.

However this power can not be taken back to the source directly as it has not been powered factor corrected. This is the job of the DC converter is correcting the PF.  Without this is can not loop. The backend re-gauging  magnets and tuning to a specific load is critical. There is a sweet spot to tune for each load to correct the core B H bias. This is something magnacoaster see years ago but i doubt he found it for himself someone must have clued him up. This is why magnacoaster uses like 5 neo on one end and 1 the other to give a slightly different method as everything is stationary.  So you must use Asymmetric Bloch Wall Modulation to pulse the coil while the core is in the non linear region AND must be balanced offset over the Bloch wall.

So how does this help construction? Well understanding where the OU comes into play this is still RLC =OU where the inductor should "APPEAR" to be as large as possible using very high density permeability materials like metglass cores etc. You want the largest mHenries in the smallest area without resorting to thousands of turns of wire.

The coil winding should be as low ohms as possible as this increase the Q and allows more current to flow so practically bigger is better. Its important NOT to oversaturate the cores or you leave the non linear region of the BH curve you are no longer in OZ.:) The signal will fall into phase which creates watts = heat death. So don’t use 2 inch neos on a 1/4 inch cores!


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #567 on: May 10, 2011, 04:22:38 AM »
Great Work Romero!

IT WORKS!!!!! REPLICATION SUCCES!!!!!!!! :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNcZAZBC7cs

LOL, u got me.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #569 on: May 10, 2011, 07:12:44 AM »
@Romerouk,your build is unusual,don't take this in a wrong way,the big cap could hide a battery or a series of batteries could you replace this with much smaller capacitors in parallel to eliminate this possibility and make another video.This issue will
come up if it hasn't already,thanks

 

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