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Offline yssuraxu_697

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #405 on: May 08, 2011, 10:04:37 PM »
I have air core coils in my Muller and it does NOT give out any free energy. I think the smartest thing to do is to replicate romerouk's setup.

Ok, good to know. Of course first thing would be 1:1 replications not to mess things up. If it should work I would go for same diameter cores/magnets and big core material volume. I have seen pretty crazy scope shots and stuff with my pulse motor with massively oversized ferrite core (compared to neo magnets on the rotor) so it may be indeed that core material is "the source" when handled in clever ways.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #406 on: May 08, 2011, 10:09:25 PM »


Hi Romero,

I think you can reduce the input current draw for the Hall switch + the TIP42C by inserting a series resistor between Pin 3 of the Hall and the base of the TIP42.  As it is shown in the schematic
( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3842.0;attach=52576 )
Pin 3 is an open collector and directly connected to the +12V via the base-emitter junction of the transistor, there is no any current limiting for the junction and for the inside Hall switching transistor.

I do realize that your circuit works as it is shown  but I guess at least a 30 - 40mA current draw could be saved per one TIP42C by inserting a 680 Ohm to 1 kOhm resistor between Pin 3 and the base electrode while the switching would take place still safely, for both TIP42s.

What do you think? perhaps you have considered and tried this?

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #407 on: May 08, 2011, 10:17:58 PM »
Hi,
most of the questions have answers already, please read all posts... I am tired to just answer same questions hundreds of times.
The coils are 1cm usable, the inside between the ends, in total 1.2cm and diameter 2.2cm
the core ferrite 1.5cm/6mm diameter.
I have tried without cores but less performance, higher speed but low output.

I will not do other videos, this way, everyday I will find someone to suggest something else.
For all replicators.

After some tests today and changed one pair of coils, same type of wire but 1.5cm diameter ferrite core, 1.5cm long.
Still 1cm winding space on the coil on 3.5cm diameter coil.I have doubled the number of turns to 600 for each coil.
This was done just for one pair of coils, recovery not driver coils.
The output is increased  but for more I will need to change them all to balance the system but  I wont do that, is to much unnecessary work, I wanted to check and apply to the new system.
Don't even think of using metal or laminations for the cores.

I had another request to sell it. I HAVE NO INTENTIONS TO SELL IT. - please no more.


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #407 on: May 08, 2011, 10:17:58 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #408 on: May 08, 2011, 10:20:46 PM »

Hi Romero,

I think you can reduce the input current draw for the Hall switch + the TIP42C by inserting a series resistor between Pin 3 of the Hall and the base of the TIP42.  As it is shown in the schematic
( http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3842.0;attach=52576 )
Pin 3 is an open collector and directly connected to the +12V via the base-emitter junction of the transistor, there is no any current limiting for the junction and for the inside Hall switching transistor.

I do realize that your circuit works as it is shown  but I guess at least a 30 - 40mA current draw could be saved per one TIP42C by inserting a 680 Ohm to 1 kOhm resistor between Pin 3 and the base electrode while the switching would take place still safely, for both TIP42s.

What do you think? perhaps you have considered and tried this?

Thanks,  Gyula
Hi Gyula,
I have analysed some other circuits using mosfets and I will consider your sugestion too but for my next build.This one can stay as is.

Thank you,
Romero

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #409 on: May 08, 2011, 10:22:24 PM »
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Thank you FOTO ,
Romero UK  !!!!!!!!
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #409 on: May 08, 2011, 10:22:24 PM »
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Offline Free.Energy

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #410 on: May 08, 2011, 10:26:44 PM »
Great work Romero!

Does the rotor spin up a little faster after you have run it for a little time?

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #411 on: May 08, 2011, 10:36:25 PM »
Hi,
most of the questions have answers already, please read all posts... I am tired to just answer same questions hundreds of times.
The coils are 1cm usable, the inside between the ends, in total 1.2cm and diameter 2.2cm
the core ferrite 1.5cm/6mm diameter.
I have tried without cores but less performance, higher speed but low output.

I will not do other videos, this way, everyday I will find someone to suggest something else.
For all replicators.

After some tests today and changed one pair of coils, same type of wire but 1.5cm diameter ferrite core, 1.5cm long.
Still 1cm winding space on the coil on 3.5cm diameter coil.I have doubled the number of turns to 600 for each coil.
This was done just for one pair of coils, recovery not driver coils.
The output is increased  but for more I will need to change them all to balance the system but  I wont do that, is to much unnecessary work, I wanted to check and apply to the new system.
Don't even think of using metal or laminations for the cores.

I had another request to sell it. I HAVE NO INTENTIONS TO SELL IT. - please no more.
Romero,  I totally agree with you on those requesting more video's for proof like disassembling the DC converter.  You will never satisfy such people and they are just wasting your time.  Don't let them drag you down with this nonsense.  Those who know your work know you are not trying to fool anyone.  And anyone with common sense would know that since you are not asking for money and won't even consider selling your motor as well as the fact you are doing everything possible to help everyone replicate this that there is no possible reason you would be fooling people.  If you were it would only make you look bad and would accomplish nothing positive for you or anyone.  So people please consider all that has been given and know that the only real proof will be you building a replication and doing the work of tuning it properly if it does not work the first time you fire it up. 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #411 on: May 08, 2011, 10:36:25 PM »
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Offline neptune

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #412 on: May 08, 2011, 10:44:23 PM »
Romerouk has revealed that cores with a 15 mm diameter not only work but work better . There is hope for us radio ferrite boys .Note extra turns .

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #413 on: May 08, 2011, 10:47:57 PM »
I have air core coils in my Muller and it does NOT give out any free energy.
I think the smartest thing to do is to replicate romerouk's setup.

GL.
Special for Groundloop and the others helping with drawings and info 
To get to the point where you will get even a little bit out than in requires a lot of time and work. Check every part of the system, part by part, then when you think is tuned start again.
Let me give u an example:
If u have 10 parts in your system and after jumping from testing  the first then second up to 10, when u finished you start again. It can be that part 3 is not as before after u adjusted any other part after. Once you retried everything and got best of all adjustments then you are nearly there.
Do all this testings without having the rectifiers connected together.Measure every coil separately. Even if you don't get too much out from the coils, don't worry, when all are connected things will go magic.
A DC/DC Converter is a must.
Don't rush, I have spent about a month to get here.
Once u past the point and for 1 you get even 1.1 then things are easy

Success!

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #413 on: May 08, 2011, 10:47:57 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #414 on: May 08, 2011, 11:04:39 PM »
As of limited resources and tools
i came up with a simplified version of the construction

Although i fully understand it is not an exact replication, i will use it as the basic starting plan for my built.

I share it, not sure if it would distract, if so, it can be replaced by a mod.

« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 11:35:37 PM by Cherryman »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #415 on: May 08, 2011, 11:08:57 PM »
Special for Groundloop and the others helping with drawings and info 
To get to the point where you will get even a little bit out than in requires a lot of time and work. Check every part of the system, part by part, then when you think is tuned start again.
Let me give u an example:
If u have 10 parts in your system and after jumping from testing  the first then second up to 10, when u finished you start again. It can be that part 3 is not as before after u adjusted any other part after. Once you retried everything and got best of all adjustments then you are nearly there.
Do all this testings without having the rectifiers connected together.Measure every coil separately. Even if you don't get too much out from the coils, don't worry, when all are connected things will go magic.
A DC/DC Converter is a must.
Don't rush, I have spent about a month to get here.
Once u past the point and for 1 you get even 1.1 then things are easy

Success!

@omerouk,

Thank you for the tips. I have had my Muller for 8 years. I have tried several 100th of variations
for motor driving and generator outputs. My Muller is made in a CNC machine. All the coils are
factory made. So there is not much I can tune. All I can do is trying to add Ferrite cores to
my coils. There is no way I can get my magnets out of the rotor to try all the same pole out.
The magnets are glued to the rotor with a strong Epoxy. So I'm stuck with the NSNSNSNS configuration.
I have no spare time to build a new Muller now. But I will get time next winter. Then I will build
an Acrylic one and make as a close replica to your Muller as possible.

GL.
 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #416 on: May 08, 2011, 11:14:55 PM »
@omerouk,

Thank you for the tips. I have had my Muller for 8 years. I have tried several 100th of variations
for motor driving and generator outputs. My Muller is made in a CNC machine. All the coils are
factory made. So there is not much I can tune. All I can do is trying to add Ferrite cores to
my coils. There is no way I can get my magnets out of the rotor to try all the same pole out.
The magnets are glued to the rotor with a strong Epoxy. So I'm stuck with the NSNSNSNS configuration.
I have no spare time to build a new Muller now. But I will get time next winter. Then I will build
an Acrylic one and make as a close replica to your Muller as possible.

GL.

GL:

Depending upon your rotor material, a little heat will remove your magnets easily.  Of course, it will probably be above the Curie temp. for the magnets so you would have to replace them, but at least they would be off of your rotor.  Heat will work no matter what type of epoxy was used.

I hope this helps.

Bill

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #417 on: May 08, 2011, 11:30:28 PM »
GL:

Depending upon your rotor material, a little heat will remove your magnets easily.  Of course, it will probably be above the Curie temp. for the magnets so you would have to replace them, but at least they would be off of your rotor.  Heat will work no matter what type of epoxy was used.

I hope this helps.

Bill

Bill,

Thank you. Did not know that heat will dissolve Epoxy.

Still, I think it will be less costly to keep the magnets and destroy the rotor.
My magnets is 32mm in diameter and 20mm thick. I do not know what the
cost is today for such big magnets.

Thanks,
GL.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #418 on: May 08, 2011, 11:41:39 PM »
I have air core coils in my Muller and it does NOT give out any free energy.
I think the smartest thing to do is to replicate romerouk's setup.

GL.

Looks like you forgot Right and Left hand rules and Lorentz law, the air core (air gap) motor/generator principle,
Accurate is to say that there is no coils at all, there are only wires (conductors)  in a magnetic field.
When magnet moves over (round wound) COIL then at first one side of coil induces positive pulse and another side of coil indudes negative pulse ... summary NOTHING, especially when magnet does cover all the coil. When to wind this coil sides more widely, then we get sequentially plus and minus -  sinus, but what you will do with this full wave sinus when N-pole Muller machine ::) Must to be noted that when axial machine then magnets acts only to wires what are radially, wires (part of coil) what have  rotor rotation direction are just like ballast, they do nothing instead of losses (resistivity).
In principle it is possible to arrange wires and to get only positive pulse or only negative pulse, you just need to wind this coil dissimilarly, other side will be hidden on to back side, it means again longer wire and more losses.
Thats because common ferrous core wound coil is the best for actual story - all the copper will be spent usefully.
cheers,
khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #419 on: May 08, 2011, 11:47:52 PM »
Thanks to this thread, I know how this works now! Thanks!

http://www.lutec.com.au/how.htm

 

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