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Offline romerouk

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #390 on: May 08, 2011, 08:04:04 PM »
RomeroUK,

thank you for your previous answers and new video. 

One question I have is:  does the device operate with the stator magnets reversed?  Have you tried that in the past?


EM
Does not operate with them in reverse, even if I turn one the system goes crazy.
As I said before they all work togheter.
Now I am wondering if I will add the missing magnets not to affect the system and make it worse than better. I should receive the ordered magnets day after tommorow and try them out.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #390 on: May 08, 2011, 08:04:04 PM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #391 on: May 08, 2011, 08:12:51 PM »

the convertor only NEEDS to stop any EXCESS energy going to the drive coils

so ALL additional excess is available to power any external load(s)


[...]
But I agree, for the best efficiency of power transfer to the load, it should be placed pre DC-DC, as long as the load can handle the worst-case power surge possible going into it.
[...]

[...]
 but you could put a load across the Cap ahead of the supply (I think you mentioned a 50 watt load at one time)  and keep loading it down till you had it down to about 6-7 volts at 12VDC into the motor from the switcher and it would show how much power is really available!  I suspect more than you think.
[...]

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before the regulator I have about 15 volts, but I could use 2 10w bulbs in series there.
[...]

so that seems to be a concensus then...

1) the DC regulation only needs to transmit, & consume, sufficent energy to maintain the motor at a stable drive level

2) ALL *available* extra energy produced by the system can be made available to a load BEFORE the converter/regulator - as long as this doesn't compromise (1)

as Alexandyr would say: "Simples"  ;)

np


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #392 on: May 08, 2011, 08:16:36 PM »
thanks for the answer Romero,

the systems is definitely a fine balanced one and it's not just one thing that makes it work,  that's clear to me now.

EM

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #392 on: May 08, 2011, 08:16:36 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #393 on: May 08, 2011, 08:30:44 PM »
Excellent suspension test RomeroUK!

You could easily see that nothing is hidden in this device.

Finally you will want to record with maximum audio all sounds around you you may be heard.
This is to be done to prove that you are not overlaying another audio track to protect the fact that you are not trying to hide noise of someone off screen trying to hide behind you that is making this spin with an air hose.

If you could I would record this with a nice big mirror in front of you and to hide your identity I would wear a mask if you are worried about this. This would prove that you have no help of any sort other then possibly a camera man with a camera!

To totally prove this works there are two more things required in Suspension test two and I would call it suspension test final undeniable 100% evidence of overunity.

Do the supension test 1 more time.

Without cutting away pop open the DC to DC converter.

Then Discharge and Tear open the capacitor showing that it is impossible to have hidden any battery.

Also show the underside of the device as I believe this has not been shown yet! with the black rotor you could have a motor and a battery underneath it without anyone knowing.

If you complete all of these things without cutting away which you may need some help from a camera man to complete this task you have proved overunity and it will nearly be undeniable.

With the exceptions of:

The few who are just here to make life hard on you they will say anything to disprove your discovery. They are all getting payed money to constantly refute claims and put people off the path of enlightenment.

They may say that you are somehow transmitting wireless electric or whatever but most people here will know better because you do not have the correct parts wired in to make this happen.

RomeroUK this is indeed your device and once we all get it replicated and are generating energy you will be handsomely rewarded with Donations coming in from around the globe! I have with me an electronics engineer that I live with and he will be a great help with the replication process once I see some solid replications built.

Thank You so much for sharing a possible solution to a world wide crisis.


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #394 on: May 08, 2011, 08:37:06 PM »
Hello everybody!
This is very exiting, I have been following this thread since first posting, and I must say, You guys are doing some great work here. Of course specially to RomeroUK!
I thought I should throw in a suggestion for testing, what about adding another switching powersupply, parallel to the one hooked up. (same kind) And see if you can load that one any harder than the one you are using now? Kind of separating "motor circuit" from " load circuit"
Just a thought, but might be on the wrong field here  ;)
Greetings from Norway to all!  ;D

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #395 on: May 08, 2011, 08:37:42 PM »
How many Magnets are there exactly on the outer body of the motor? I have seen some pictures where on some coil there were no magnet, Can somebody clarify this? Thank you

i would like to replicate this device and it would be perfect if someone would make a separate website for construction of this device in full detail with parts lists, Tips etc

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #396 on: May 08, 2011, 08:41:10 PM »
Congratulations this seems to be the real mc coy! I think there are good chances of a replication since many of us might have some of the ingredients on their workbenches already! Thank you also for being so open.

Suggestions: don't change anything....let this run for at least 24 hours, measure rpm before and after...I wonder if the magnets will degauss in time...? The energy must come from them in this setup. Is anything getting hot/cold during a longer run?

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #397 on: May 08, 2011, 08:51:35 PM »
It is plain to me that it is self evident that no matter how much time and money you spend on making a video , it will fall short of actual proof . After all there are people out there who believe that "Jurassic Park "was real . Even if you went to Romero`s house and he demonstrated it in front of your eyes ,for all you know he could be a brilliant conjurer .The only proof that would be close to 100% would be if you build one yourself  from parts you obtain yourself .But then of course you might be dreaming or under hypnosis . It is all about the balance of probabilities . My approach is to hope for the best until the worst is proved .Thank goodness for the people who have sufficient faith and hope to build their own .
@Em devices .You say it is a finely balanced machine . It clearly is not because it shows excess energy . I would also like to know how the efficiency of a pulse motor compares to that of , say , a permanent magnet DC motor , or even a brushless one .

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #398 on: May 08, 2011, 08:52:43 PM »
@Romero

what is the correct core dimensions please? I see 10mm x 15mm and also on the PDF compiled by Hartberlin being 6mm x 15mm??

Also the PDF says the copper wire to be 0.8mm but another thread (with a nice picture) shows 7 wires of 0.125mm each totaling 0.375mm (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.msg284990#msg284990). What is the correct final dimensions?


Today I orderd the Magnetite powder to make my own ferrites too. Today I will start coiling the coils BUT I need the correct dimension.

Many thanks,

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #399 on: May 08, 2011, 09:03:05 PM »
The ferrite cores seem to be very difficult to get . I have tried cutting a 10 mm ferrite rod into lengths but its a bit like cutting glass .I know we must try to replicate the original as closely as possible , but for some of us there are budget constraints , and obtainability issues . The shortest rod commonly available is 60 mm . One could make a long thin coil , but then that is unknown territory . Any theories or suggestions ? @plengo , I believe original cores were 6mm x15mm .
@Romerouk .You have small magnets above most of the upper coils . Do you also have small magnets below the bottom coils . If not , have you tried this ?

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #400 on: May 08, 2011, 09:20:48 PM »
RomeroUK.

A big thankyou for open sourcing your project and for  the drawings that are worth a 1000 comments of 'how to'.

I have some clear acrylic plastic sewing machine bobbins (approx 20mm wide x 10 mm deep w. 6 mm hole) and wound #34 wire tri-filar on them but they heated up quickly and I melted the bobbins [bummer], but did not use a ferrite core, nor any washer and magnets on top/bottom. - - - Would you explain more about the size and coil bobbins you use? -- Also, is a single wire wind (i.e.#28) worth winding on the bobbins next? [will be approx. 200 winds each].

Last question on Muller coils. He wound coils which resembled a cone-shape when done right, and the wire was not wound 'back and forth' but one direction to the top, and then started from the bottom up again, each time. -- Is this type of coil wind beneficial in your type of build or is the back 'n forth wind acceptable for efficiency for thinner wire guage?

Again..... I rate your project 10+ !!!! I look forward to more as you experiment.

An old wood shop tchr of 39+ years teaching.

PS  -- I have a couple kids at school wanting to replicate your project based on your video's!

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #401 on: May 08, 2011, 09:36:50 PM »
Hi, like some others I want to point out importance of the core material.

Attempts to use solid metal cores or even laminations will likely be futile.
With low power system good RF ferrite with low eddy loss should work but
for full sized system getting proper core material is very problematic.
So if people here have magnetite on hands then it would be good time
to try this out:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7468-how-can-i-make-good-magnetic-sand-cores.html#post131820

To make it more visual there is video:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=470

This is my litte test device for trying this and that. Basically
pulse motor. At first I did drive coil average Joe style, on steel
bolt. Minimal possible drive voltage was then 0.5V. After that
I constructed drive coil on oversized RF ferrite core. Minimal
possible drive voltage settled at 0.1V and it got a lot more
efficent overall.

Now what I do in the video is just remove totally unused and
unshorted old drive coil from the system (running on new coil at 0.2V).
Pretty dramatic acceleration of rotor occurs.

So to sum it up... Presence of any conductive material in the
rotor field besides windings severly degrades performance.
Electricity has no reason whatsoever to form in windings if
it has alternative paths... be it core, frame details etc.

BTW romerouk, have you tried it with air coils. Maybe it is not critical
to have cores? I say this because current cores are rather undersized for given magnets/coils
and likely get totally saturated. Do they really play significant role at all... ?
Or maybe it is the role... sort of saturable reactor?

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« Reply #402 on: May 08, 2011, 09:49:56 PM »
Hi, like some others I want to point out importance of the core material.

Attempts to use solid metal cores or even laminations will likely be futile.
With low power system good RF ferrite with low eddy loss should work but
for full sized system getting proper core material is very problematic.
So if people here have magnetite on hands then it would be good time
to try this out:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7468-how-can-i-make-good-magnetic-sand-cores.html#post131820

To make it more visual there is video:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=470

This is my litte test device for trying this and that. Basically
pulse motor. At first I did drive coil average Joe style, on steel
bolt. Minimal possible drive voltage was then 0.5V. After that
I constructed drive coil on oversized RF ferrite core. Minimal
possible drive voltage settled at 0.1V and it got a lot more
efficent overall.

Now what I do in the video is just remove totally unused and
unshorted old drive coil from the system (running on new coil at 0.2V).
Pretty dramatic acceleration of rotor occurs.

So to sum it up... Presence of any conductive material in the
rotor field besides windings severly degrades performance.
Electricity has no reason whatsoever to form in windings if
it has alternative paths... be it core, frame details etc.

BTW romerouk, have you tried it with air coils. Maybe it is not critical
to have cores? I say this because current cores are rather undersized for given magnets/coils
and likely get totally saturated. Do they really play significant role at all... ?
Or maybe it is the role... sort of saturable reactor?

I have air core coils in my Muller and it does NOT give out any free energy.
I think the smartest thing to do is to replicate romerouk's setup.

GL.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #403 on: May 08, 2011, 09:53:27 PM »
@romerouk

Nice video. I like it.

Now imagine that magnet wheel was twice the diameter keeping the magnet/coils you have now in place but having a wheel that goes further out beyond where the magnet/coils are now. On the outer edge of the wheel you put more magnets and only drive coils. Now imagine what will happen when this wheel not only takes advantage of the dioded pick-up coils expelling their energy at every input state, but now the outer most drive coils can take advantage of more leverage then the pickup coils will ever be able to drag backwards.

Right now, with the magnets and coils on the same circumference, like 99% of all these types of builds, you cannot take advantage of any leverage. Leverage is the free force you can use to counter drag thus increase your output without increasing your input.

I put an explanation of this here some time ago.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.msg261177#msg261177

Very good job indeed and thank you for sharing your works.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #404 on: May 08, 2011, 10:01:51 PM »
NP,

For constant power to a given load, post DC-DC works best.

But I agree, for the best efficiency of power transfer to the load, it should be placed pre DC-DC, as long as the load can handle the worst-case power surge possible going into it.

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Agree with nul-points and you but I think Romero said (although I might be dreaming) that the only reason it was after was the voltage coming off the coils (I think about 15 volts) would likely have blown the 12 volt lamp or overheated it and shortened it's life - something along that line was said I believe. 
 Ooops, I see Romero confirmed this back a page or so sorry for duplicate info as I had not read that far. 

 

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