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Offline Bruce_TPU

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #360 on: May 08, 2011, 04:14:55 PM »
The generator coils experience cemf depending on the load but at some point the speed goes up now down.
People should see the whole picture, don't look at a single coil, look at the other coils too at the same time.
Looks that we have a member(Microcontroller) that is 100% sure that this is a fraud, ha, ha, well u got me :)

Hi Romero,

Microcontroller and others like him are trolls.  They never have anything constructive to add, and they never build, nor test anything.
He and his buddies are best left ignored.

I am with you, all things are possible... 

And I would have to add, that you are correct about looking at the interaction of all of the coils, vs. magnets, and not just one.  I posted some time ago, in EM's thread, that I had found a patent that showed that the best coil to magnet layout to remove cogging was 1.5    - In other words, 12 coils and 6 magnets would be no good, because 12/6 is 2.  But 12 coils to 8 magnets is 1.5 ratio.  1.5, 2.5, 3.5 all work.  This is another reason, that with my coil discovery, I am not overly concerned with cogging, but I of course still need to test and prove it.

Cheers,

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #360 on: May 08, 2011, 04:14:55 PM »

Offline Cherryman

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #361 on: May 08, 2011, 04:43:06 PM »
I ordered the magnets.

Next step are the coils.

As I'm an electrical noob i have a few silly questions:

I'm i correct i can use a (in this case 0.125 ) wire , take 7 strings connect the endings and wind those all at the same time 300 times around the coil ?

I could not quite see how the coil is connected to the stationary disc. 

Could someone tell me if it would be A, B, C or D?  Or Else?


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #362 on: May 08, 2011, 05:01:47 PM »
I ordered the magnets.

Next step are the coils.

As I'm an electrical noob i have a few silly questions:

I'm i correct i can use a (in this case 0.125 ) wire , take 7 strings connect the endings and wind those all at the same time 300 times around the coil ?

I could not quite see how the coil is connected to the stationary disc. 

Could someone tell me if it would be A, B, C or D?  Or Else?
The answer is B, the core is not in contact with the magnet but goes half way

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #362 on: May 08, 2011, 05:01:47 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #363 on: May 08, 2011, 05:04:07 PM »
Just uploaded a new video with the generator suspended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iNrjKFSLu4

THANKS ......
PEACE...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #364 on: May 08, 2011, 05:08:27 PM »
It sure does Ron!
I'm looking forward to seeing your build. I've seen previous results of your mechanical skills
so I know you'll do good.

Looking forward to (hopefully) some more positive results and the ensuing lively discussion.

Heres something Romero said back on page 5.

"The distance between the coils and the rotor must be adjusted depending on the magnets used, core... Too close is not neccesary good."

Sound familiar to you Ron ?. Someone I know has mentioned this in detail before, on another site?.
It may have even been me !! LOL.

P.S. - Thinking aloud ... Open Magnetic Sytems. They're full of surprises!  LOL

Cheers all .... KneeDeep

Hi Hop!

Thanks, but boy, we are in some good company, you, Ben, Luc, nali, Gyula, and some other names I recognize...all the big guns....

Plus a few agenda workers, looks like the same bunch that worked so hard to derail Rosemary's various forums.

Interesting correlation here in the ratio of core size to magnet diameter, as in the Adams motor.

New ideas also on the multi strand. I always stayed away from it because of the cleaning to solder task... but I see it advertised as "solderable" ...so I took an old CRT coil and tried it, sure enough it solders like a charm!  Couldn't unwind it though as it was too well glued together and broke.

Yep,rotor up and running, to the point of doing some coil tests next

Take care

Ron


 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #364 on: May 08, 2011, 05:08:27 PM »
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Offline neptune

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #365 on: May 08, 2011, 05:24:12 PM »
@ Cherry man . See also my reply number257 on page18 .

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #366 on: May 08, 2011, 05:26:24 PM »
I think you completely missed the point of what i was saying.  First it is not the replication that is important it is understanding the method and using Re-gauging on the back end of the coils to null out the lugging. This is a magnacoaster method and something some of us have discussed for a long time.

 The drive of the rotor is not important as the pulse motor is only used to provide rotation. Any method of rotation can be used so long as its very efficient.  Already you will see no two devices will be the same as everyone will use the materials they have available to them. The magnets will be different strengths, the cores wound different, different core materials, the number of coils and magnets are probably going to be different BUT they all have a good chance of working if the re-gauging back end magnet is carefully selected to null the BEMF.

And Indeed Romero has suggested others try bigger coils and rotors to get more power. Alike the Joule Thief no two are the same yet most of them work!

For using 3 phase RV provides cheap method of construction with professional bearing and platform to mount a rotor. The perspex doesn’t come cheap either. A3 sheets of the stuff 12mm thick cost a small fortune!! RV provides an extremely efficient drive motor which can spin a very large rotor down to a few watts.

http://youtu.be/duWxzwLEMxM

Now bolt the genhead stator and rotor direct to the motor shaft and you got your muller without using pulse drive and ALL the coils then become generator coils.

I second baroutologos.

The regauging theory was put forward to quickly. The key to romero's device is the tuning of the coil under load. This indicates a reaction with either EMF or BEMF as the principle cause. Regauging may play a part but how can you put this out with no data?

The RV is a great toy, I use mine for all sorts of data gathering but i know it doesn't have any use at 20 watts, the slightest load and the draw goes sky high.

It is the replication that is important... then comes understanding, from why some will work and some won't.

Ron

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #366 on: May 08, 2011, 05:26:24 PM »
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Offline baroutologos

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #367 on: May 08, 2011, 05:42:37 PM »
Hey I_ROn,

Its nice to see you involved in this. Great machinist skills with right guidance will end up to the desired replication, God willing.

....
i have not the slightest intention at developing any theory or hearing others'. In the end of the day, the real things are that stay and make a difference.

If you track the way ROmero has always worked, he listens to everything and experiments with everything in his own way.
Personally it was beyond my powers to do that. Since i lack resources and imagination to do so.

Lets keep this great thing going, and anyone makes a positive contribution.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #368 on: May 08, 2011, 05:58:58 PM »
Would it be possible to create litz wire from normal multistrand wire by maybe spraying some insulation or taking it trough a bath? Maybe someone tried this?

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #368 on: May 08, 2011, 05:58:58 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #369 on: May 08, 2011, 06:00:18 PM »
Gents
Regarding The "Nasty" Posts!
Looks Like Stefan Is Keeping The Vibes Positive over here! [deletes the "nasty"]
Just the Way Romero Likes it!

History In the making!!

Chet

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #370 on: May 08, 2011, 06:18:41 PM »
Hi Romerouk:

    Because my English is not good, A lot of content can only guess, On the multi-strand wire, This issue is really important to me, please answer:

1) a recommended 0.8mm multistrand,
2) Another way of saying they recommended 7x0.125mm litz wire,

    But: accurate mapping from the actual point of view, 7x0.125mm litz wire of the total cross section diameter of 0.375mm, And 0.8mm diameter cross section a lot of difference.
    I understand wrong? What is the right choice?

PS: multi-strand wire in the end is the option of using multi-strand bare copper wire? or choose to use multiple Enameled wire?

Thanks you helping

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #370 on: May 08, 2011, 06:18:41 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #371 on: May 08, 2011, 06:21:12 PM »
Gents
Regarding The "Nasty" Posts!
Looks Like Stefan Is Keeping The Vibes Positive over here! [deletes the "nasty"]
Just the Way Romero Likes it!

History In the making!!

Chet
I am not worried about the 'nasty' posts, they should be left posted.
If I like them or not makes no difference to me, sometimes is good to have them, world is made of good and bad, black and white,...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #372 on: May 08, 2011, 06:21:50 PM »
Still kind of new to this forum, seems I joined at a great time.

I have been studying this and trying to gather the correct parts, etc. I have a half way decent machine shop at my disposal and will start on mine next week...

If anyone (USA based) has been finding good sources on this stuff, please share here. A lot of this is new to me. I have never made my own coils before, but willing to try. When wrapping them, does it matter in how they are wound? Clockwise, counter clock wise when placed? Maybe how the strands are placed? Sorry if "noob" questions, but i am. Thank for the patience..Good luck all

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #373 on: May 08, 2011, 06:26:37 PM »
Hi Romerouk:

    Because my English is not good, A lot of content can only guess, On the multi-strand wire, This issue is really important to me, please answer:

1) a recommended 0.8mm multistrand,
2) Another way of saying they recommended 7x0.125mm litz wire,

    But: accurate mapping from the actual point of view, 7x0.125mm litz wire of the total cross section diameter of 0.375mm, And 0.8mm diameter cross section a lot of difference.
    I understand wrong? What is the right choice?

PS: multi-strand wire in the end is the option of using multi-strand bare copper wire? or choose to use multiple Enameled wire?

Thanks you helping
I am using 7x0.125mm wire, the same with multiple Enameled wire.Maybe untwisted wires might do better as Bruce is saying in the TPU replication.It is worth testing all small things to get the best of it.
Before I will start putting togheter the new setup I will do all this testings.
I am still ordering parts.I hate waiting... but I found all parts in UK so that should not take that long.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #374 on: May 08, 2011, 06:27:55 PM »
hi all

please excuse if this is a DFQ**

(i've just looked thro' thread again and can't see this addressed previously, but with *my* eyesight you never know!)

in GL's diag, ok'd by Romero, the load (lamp) is shown as AFTER the DC-DC Converter

surely, it should be BEFORE the converter? (ie across the 47000uF buffer cap)

since the converter is, say, 80% efficient then 20% of all energy which enters it gets dissipated mostly as heat (ie. wasted)

if we put the load on the cap side then none of its energy gets wasted by the converter, am i right?

of course the converter is used to keep the voltage stable for the drive coils, so we have to accept the 20% (say) loss for their energy

but the convertor only NEEDS to stop any EXCESS energy going to the drive coils

so ALL additional excess is available to power any external load(s)

any comments? (or should i just start taking my meds again?)

great teamwork all !
np

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