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Offline romerouk

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #330 on: May 08, 2011, 12:30:23 PM »
You are likely going to hear about it and what will be said in the coming days or hours or weeks who knows they will talk about the following things.

The fact that the table is plastic and has nice big hollow legs.

And the fact that you have a 12v lithium drill with a 1/8" drill bit under your table at 17:18 on this video... Sitting right next to them big hollow legs of that table.

I think yes the best test would be for you to do a suspension test I can see all of the shit slinging trolls coming out of the closet here soon might as well put them to rest as soon as possible imho . Seems it always happens even when people are not conclusively I believe proved wrong something just dies out because of the replication process being a bit more advanced then most have the time money or mental capacity to complete a strong proving series of there own ever since cold fusion it has been this way probably even long before this even Tesla with wardencliff ... He was made a mockery and we first finally now start to acknowledge his achievements in the time of "peak oil" which is another false term imho that I would prefer to believe there is no peak yet I believe with all the shale and other things oil abundance could still keep us rolling for over a century at our current rate of growth but with everything getting greener I estimate it would even last much longer.
I tried to do a hanging video yesterday but all device started to rotate and going crazy... after that gotoluc said that if don't do it properly then better don't.
I will do it anyway, I migh be able to keep it in the air with one hand and record with the other or... we'll see
That drill has nothing to do ... :) I didn't even think about removing it from there.
I will also try to use another capacitor, smaller, as gotoluc sugested, people might think I have batteries inside ...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #330 on: May 08, 2011, 12:30:23 PM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #331 on: May 08, 2011, 12:39:03 PM »
I tried to do a hanging video yesterday but all device started to rotate and going crazy... after that gotoluc said that if don't do it properly then better don't.
I will do it anyway, I migh be able to keep it in the air with one hand and record with the other or... we'll see
That drill has nothing to do ... :) I didn't even think about removing it from there.
I will also try to use another capacitor, smaller, as gotoluc sugested, people might think I have batteries inside ...

THANKS OSCILOGRAM  ROMERO UK ....
VIEV ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWpB3peU3Uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF63Gzvtd4
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #332 on: May 08, 2011, 12:43:36 PM »
First I like to thanks RomeroUK for great work and all details he posted on this forum.
He said that he will build bigger machine with more magnets and coils.
I have had already my plans made for a motor generator which uses coil shorting for more voltage output.

Now I adapted my plans to use 16x 20mm diameter 10mm thick magnets and 17x 20mm diameter core coils config.
I will be using rear gokart parts for axle and holders for rotor for easy adjustment of rotor.
I will be using opto triggering for coil shorting with help of arduino microcontroller.
The plans are made in SketchUP pro and exported to dxf and jpg format.
Please look at the plans if you have some suggestions before my machine shop start cutting the parts.

Here is the link to complete plans:
http://www.filedropper.com/plan16magnets17coilsoptocoilshorting

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #332 on: May 08, 2011, 12:43:36 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #333 on: May 08, 2011, 12:51:55 PM »
I'm taking all this information in as fast as I can and I have a few suggestions for RomeroUK.

1)  make sure you document everything, it's very important.
2)  continue to explore why you got the results you did and what are the critical factors, we need to determine the fundamental principle so we can duplicate easily and also scale up the design.


It sounds like the Muller arrangement of having one more coil on the stator than magnets on the rotor, i.e.  8 to 9 ratio, is a primary factor of importance, along with the fact that magnets are biasing the ferrite cores.   The biasing is critical in eliminating the hysteresis losses, and the motor pulsing arrangement is another very low loss mechanism,  so I second what bolt was saying,  don't build some cheap setup, go for perfection and eliminate as many losses as possible.


An interesting observation I made is that the ferrite is biased and the rotor magnets are in opposition.   This means the B-H curve is traversed from high H values to low H values and then back, as a magnet on the rotor approaches a stator coil, passes under it, and then departs away.  I think this cycling of the B-H curve from high-to-low and then back is very significant!  Romero, you might want to experiment and reverse all the polarities of the magnets only on the stators, and see if it still works.

EM
I think that if I have 8 magnets on the rotor and any other greater uneven numbers of coils will work even better.
What I found durings some tests is that we need to have good spacing betwen the magnets on the rotor.The OFF time for the coils must be much greater than the ON time, possible because of the  core I use.Better material for the core will improve substantially.
People should pay attention for the core material, that is one of the most important keys in this setup togheter with the spacing arangement.
I will try different configurations, now that I made note of everything I can do any changes and still able to go back to the curent setup.
Something I discovered yesterday is that if I lift the magnet on top of the coil just a little bit then the output is increased. That shows me that I need to take every magnet and check, lifting up and down and add some spacers if required.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #334 on: May 08, 2011, 12:54:53 PM »
RomeroUK,

In my humble opinion, i would not risk hanging your device on a string.
Better yet, i would not risk anything at all with it.
Most of us believe your intentions and observations.

Better to focus on a replication first.

Not that I wanna tell you how to handle, i trust your judgment. Keep up the good work!

PS. It seems like corematerial and the power of the magnet are related.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #335 on: May 08, 2011, 12:57:37 PM »
@joefr
What are those rotor holders you show in the picture? How do you call them?
They look great.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #336 on: May 08, 2011, 01:04:35 PM »
Hi RomeroUK

Here is the link to online shop where I buy all the parts on the picture:

Sprocket Carrier 30mm
https://www.kart-schuette.de/karts_en/sprocket-carrier-30mm-1.html

They are aluminium and very well made. On the site bellow is the picture with all measures.

Joe

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #337 on: May 08, 2011, 01:11:33 PM »
RomerUK,

In my humble opinion, i would not risk hanging your device on a string.
Better yet, i would not risk anything at all with it.
Most of us believe your intentions and observations.

Better to focus on a replication first.

Not that I wanna tell you how to handle, i trust your judgment. Keep up the good work!
I am making sure I don't risk brakeing it, I would die...
I know that  if I show all of it then people will have more confidence in replicating it.
I have a friend here on the forum that I shared info for some time and he is saying that it is not possible to have such success with my devices and all others don't. :) I uderstand him and others but my answer is very simple: Put your heart in what you do, in all work you do and believe you can do anything, never give up.
I know it sounds stupid for many but this is my belief. Even if I cook something (soemtimes) I am doing it with great pleasure.
I think that people with bad heart and black soul will never succeed in anything.

Regards,
RomeroUK

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #338 on: May 08, 2011, 01:12:53 PM »
Hi RomeroUK

Here is the link to online shop where I buy all the parts on the picture:

Sprocket Carrier 30mm
https://www.kart-schuette.de/karts_en/sprocket-carrier-30mm-1.html

They are aluminium and very well made. On the site bellow is the picture with all measures.

Joe
Thank you Joe,
That is a big help for me.

Regards,
romeroUK

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #339 on: May 08, 2011, 01:20:23 PM »
I am making sure I don't risk brakeing it, I would die...
I know that  if I show all of it then people will have more confidence in replicating it.
I have a friend here on the forum that I shared info for some time and he is saying that it is not possible to have such success with my devices and all others don't. :) I uderstand him and others but my answer is very simple: Put your heart in what you do, in all work you do and believe you can do anything, never give up.
I know it sounds stupid for many but this is my belief. Even if I cook something (soemtimes) I am doing it with great pleasure.
I think that people with bad heart and black soul will never succeed in anything.

Regards,
RomeroUK

Haha  good thinking, I think more or less the same. But since i recently had a metal lid blown a hole in my ceiling, due to some HHO experimenting, I'm a bit more careful, but still not giving up!  ;-)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #340 on: May 08, 2011, 01:32:28 PM »
Congratulations Romeruk with this achievement and thank u for sharing all the info.

I'm really impressed and have to replicate this one for sure :)
Ordered some parts already and will keep you updated.

I wish you and your wife all the best in future and hope you can fulfill your dreams.

Regards,
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #341 on: May 08, 2011, 01:38:45 PM »
romerouk,

Nice work.  Thank you for sharing.

Stop risking a floor crash, keep it on a table!  Some will simply say that you could have thin wire routed along with your cotton string, (just out of focus of your camera,) powering your device externally.  What have we gained?

I agree with you: get more successful-replications running.

I agree with EMdevices: document the details and try to discover the fundamentals.

We would appreciate some more graphic details, maybe arrows and lines on top of actual photo images, showing these timing adjustment ranges that you wrote of earlier.  Please include some 'if-then' situations from your experience.

Stop and review some of your replies here and elaborate upon those those not yet covered in your original document.  The more detail that you provide in one document, the better chance you have of achieving your goal of sharing the stage.

Thanks again, man!

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #342 on: May 08, 2011, 01:54:18 PM »
Better material for the core will improve substantially.
People should pay attention for the core material, that is one of the most important keys in this setup togheter with the spacing arangement.

After reading what EMdevices posted about the h curves, and what Bill Muller said about the 'amorphous polycrystalline ferrite' used in his cores (from Muller.doc posted by skywatcher123 reply102) I also think this is very important.

@romerouk Am I correct in thinking you acquired the cores from inductors/chokes salvaged from a computer power supply? Can you remember the component? I would like to start to identify the ferrite used by you so we can compare it to other materials of known values of operation. With lots of replications about to come together we could possibly all try different materials and compare the results, to find a better replacement, if you think this part could be improved upon.

I have started to cut some 10mm dia. ferrite rods I have (typical AM radio ferrites the ones with flats on either side to prevent rolling off your desk). I would like everyone's opinion as to whether these will be suitable?

Kindest regards

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #343 on: May 08, 2011, 02:01:59 PM »
@Romerouk .Some of us are having problems finding suitable ferrite cores. The use of pieces cut from ferrite rods from old radios has been suggested . These are usually 10mm diameter .What is your opinion on using these . Also there will be millions of old CRT televisions dumped as the analogue transmitters are switched off . Would the multistrand wire from these degaussing coils be suitable ?

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #344 on: May 08, 2011, 02:02:11 PM »
Well I have started, does that count? lol

Rgds Ron

It sure does Ron!
I'm looking forward to seeing your build. I've seen previous results of your mechanical skills
so I know you'll do good.

Looking forward to (hopefully) some more positive results and the ensuing lively discussion.

Heres something Romero said back on page 5.

"The distance between the coils and the rotor must be adjusted depending on the magnets used, core... Too close is not neccesary good."

Sound familiar to you Ron ?. Someone I know has mentioned this in detail before, on another site?.
It may have even been me !! LOL.

P.S. - Thinking aloud ... Open Magnetic Sytems. They're full of surprises!  LOL

Cheers all .... KneeDeep
« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 02:48:03 PM by hoptoad »

 

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