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Author Topic: Muller Dynamo  (Read 3714986 times)

Offline baroutologos

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #315 on: May 08, 2011, 08:40:24 AM »
Well i made a good guess then (educated one) LOL  Of course solid state is the goal and you will get there very soon. I think everyone has to go through the learning curve of OU machines first then later solid state.  Like you i KNOW magnacoaster is real and you have just proven it beyond any doubt with your generator. It just opens a new can of worms in controlling the HUGE amount of OU power. Plenty of burnt coils and blown fets.

Well when you make your big machine go get that old RV out the shed take off the fan, clean the bearings in petrol and  WD40 and just add one drop of sewing machine oil. It should spin by hand for 40 seconds very easy. Now you got a very efficient motor that can run on 10 watts and use ALL the coils as genheads. A small 250w inverter will run the RV motor easy and just retune the run cap to match the rotor at full rpm and load.

BTW you should get some sleep its 2 am:)

If i may speak is BEST everyone to refrain from theories and old unproved concepts and focus on what Romero has ended up with.
First replicate, with all the meaning of the word i.e. not major changes (anyway, every one likes replicas), and then once successfully done, investigate yourself.

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@bolt,

regarding RV it maybe work at extremely high electric to mechanic energy conversion in comparison to pulsed motors etc but the effect Romero shows that with load application (i.e. bulb and pulse motor) not affecting even slightly the device is outstanding at least and cannot be seen anywhere! (especially if there is not any considerable cogging torque present)

This is the discovered secret IMO thanks to Romero's experimenting skill and will to share.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 09:34:42 AM by baroutologos »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #315 on: May 08, 2011, 08:40:24 AM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #316 on: May 08, 2011, 09:30:40 AM »
If i may speak is BEST everyone to refrain from theories and old unproved concepts and focus on what Romero has ended up with.
First replicate, with all the meaning of the word i.e. not major changes (anyway, every one likes replicas), and then once successfully done, investigate yourself.

snip..

This is the discovered secret IMO thanks to Romero's experimenting skill.


Good advice Baroutologos.

Also @ Romero - great stuff and thanks for sharing !

Cheers from Hoptoad

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #317 on: May 08, 2011, 09:49:22 AM »
« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 12:10:55 PM by FreeEnergyInfo »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #318 on: May 08, 2011, 10:10:51 AM »
Wow, just got in from work and had to catch up a lot.  Excellent work here everyone.

I submit that Romero has made enough changes and improvements to the Muller device that it is now essentially a new device.  I mean, a car is still a car but there is a big difference between a Model T and a 2011 Corvette.  (Romero's device being the Corvette)

This is astounding work here and exciting times.

Bill


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #319 on: May 08, 2011, 10:35:25 AM »
If i may speak is BEST everyone to refrain from theories and old unproved concepts and focus on what Romero has ended up with.
First replicate, with all the meaning of the word i.e. not major changes (anyway, every one likes replicas), and then once successfully done, investigate yourself.


Very well said. We must first know by replication what it is.
Then only after knowing what can we start considering why.

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Offline lanenal

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« Reply #320 on: May 08, 2011, 10:48:59 AM »
Let's clarify some points regarding the sensors:
not both of them are using the small magnets.I started originally with both using the small magnets to switch then I tried to move one to get max results.
The second one is facing the big magnets from the top.This one from the top is activated after the magnet passed, the other one on the side of the rotor is activated like 1mm after the magnet passed the center coil.
This is difficult to explain, testing yourself will get you there but do the testing separate not both of then at the same time.

Can somebody who understood the timing please help.

If the driving coil is activated AFTER the neo magnet on the rotor passed TDC,
then the driving coil must be PUSHING the neo magnet away
in order to accelerate the rotor.

Then we are actually using repulsion, not attraction, is this correct?
To use attraction, the driving coil should be activated BEFORE the
neo magnet on the rotor passed TDC.

Another perplexing point in the above post is this:
why different arrangement of the hall sensors give better results?
if moving the second sensor to face the big magnets from the top
will improve performance, why not move the first one in similar fashion?
If so, then we don't need those small magnets anymore.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #321 on: May 08, 2011, 10:50:45 AM »
Romerouk and Hello everybody:

    Because my English is not good, A lot of content can only guess, On the multi-strand wire:

1) a recommended 0.8mm multistrand,
2) Another way of saying they recommended 7x0.125mm litz wire,

    But: accurate mapping from the actual point of view, 7x0.125mm litz wire of the total cross section diameter of 0.375mm, And 0.8mm diameter cross section a lot of difference.
    I understand wrong? What is correct?

PS: multi-strand wire in the end is the option of using multi-strand copper wire? or choose to use multiple Enameled wire?

Thanks for helping

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #322 on: May 08, 2011, 10:55:47 AM »
Romerouk and Hello everybody:

    Because my English is not good, A lot of content can only guess, On the multi-strand wire:

1) a recommended 0.8mm multistrand,
2) Another way of saying they recommended 7x0.125mm litz wire,

    But: accurate mapping from the actual point of view, 7x0.125mm litz wire of the total cross section diameter of 0.375mm, And 0.8mm diameter cross section a lot of difference.
    I understand wrong? What is correct?

PS: multi-strand wire in the end is the option of using multi-strand bare copper wire? or choose to use multiple Enameled wire?

Thanks for helping

Offline lanenal

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #323 on: May 08, 2011, 10:58:55 AM »
I am thinking to double the number of coils and magnets too. 3 driving coils will be better.

3 driving coils will allow for a symmetric configuration of the driving coils.
the 6 pickup coils may have more turns to have higher voltage pickups.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #324 on: May 08, 2011, 11:11:28 AM »
Let's clarify some points regarding the sensors:
not both of them are using the small magnets.I started originally with both using the small magnets to switch then I tried to move one to get max results.
The second one is facing the big magnets from the top.This one from the top is activated after the magnet passed, the other one on the side of the rotor is activated like 1mm after the magnet passed the center coil.
This is difficult to explain, testing yourself will get you there but do the testing separate not both of then at the same time.
Hello Romero,
I would like to ask what is exactly position, dimensions, type and polarity of small magnets?
thank you!

Offline lanenal

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #325 on: May 08, 2011, 11:16:13 AM »
Wow, just got in from work and had to catch up a lot.  Excellent work here everyone.

I submit that Romero has made enough changes and improvements to the Muller device that it is now essentially a new device.  I mean, a car is still a car but there is a big difference between a Model T and a 2011 Corvette.  (Romero's device being the Corvette)

This is astounding work here and exciting times.

Bill

Surely this design of RomeroUK is a lot more simpler to build and test...
I think we can also give a component list here. I'll start by:

1. 1 rotor plate and 2 stator plates.

2. 8 + 2 X 9 = 26 neomagnets, 20mm dia, 10mm thick, N38 rating.

3. 2 X 9 = 18 ( coils + ferrite rods + soft iron washers)

4. circuit components...

You are welcome to make corrections or add more details.

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Offline lanenal

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #326 on: May 08, 2011, 11:23:32 AM »
Surely this design of RomeroUK is a lot more simpler to build and test...
I think we can also give a component list here. I'll start by:

1. 1 rotor plate and 2 stator plates.

2. 8 + 2 X 9 = 26 neomagnets, 20mm dia, 10mm thick, N38 rating.

3. 2 X 9 = 18 ( coils + ferrite rods + soft iron washers)

4. circuit components...

You are welcome to make corrections or add more details.

I'm not sure of the total # of neomagnets...the picture of
romerouk's build shows that not all coils have neomagnets.

Offline romerouk

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #327 on: May 08, 2011, 12:14:45 PM »
Below is a picture with the scope connected at the AC point before bridge.

Answer: I run out of neo magnets. I am sure that more magnets will increase the output. I have ordered more togheter with the magnets for the new setup.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #328 on: May 08, 2011, 12:21:33 PM »
I was seeing some A3144 Hall sensors on eBay from Chinese sellers.  They usually ship world wide and good prices too.  Not sure on the quality.
I bought my sensors on ebay, from China. I  bought 40, I always buy more than I need, just in case... :)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #329 on: May 08, 2011, 12:23:13 PM »
I believe I read somewhere Romerouk used 2 kg. of that wire so I guess 4 rolls of the 500 gram wire.
I had a big reel but not used all, I am not sure how much I used.

 

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