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Author Topic: Muller Dynamo  (Read 3493717 times)

Offline marcx41

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6090 on: June 25, 2013, 02:18:44 AM »
hi Scorch,
what do you think ? Maybe you can put some optosensors to remplace the brosses for your generator.
It is my choise for my replication. To day I have a very bad connection , I try to send a picture this week to show the disks on the hub and the type for opto. Regard, Marc

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6090 on: June 25, 2013, 02:18:44 AM »

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« Reply #6091 on: June 26, 2013, 01:17:10 AM »
I did get a fast response from the representative at quanta magnetics.
He wrote: "I pulled a bunch of spray cans off my shelf and true to fact, they were all nearly identical to each other and the hub fit easily inside all. You can even notice in the attached photo that the gold cap has a little extra room where you could wrap a couple of winds of electrical tape for a snug fit, or simply push in further as the cap is very slightly tapered."

I think what I ran into is that the majority of cans, in my garage, are at least 8 years old and many are well over 20 years old.
So I went to the store and did find that most of the new paint cans do have a slightly different cap which 'fit', loosely, around the hub.
And, as per his suggestion, tape installed around the hub would make a pretty good fit. (see his image "perfect fit")(image posted with permission from quanta magnetics)

But I am somewhat of a perfectionist when it comes to a proper fit on a rotating part and question the use of the term "perfect fit" if it has to be adjusted, or modified, with tape. . .
Any wobble, or up & down, movement just annoys me, to no end, when it comes to precision parts that are supposed to be a 'perfect fit'.

So; I searched around some more and discovered that "NOW" brand supplement bottles have a very nice, shiny surface, made of a slightly 'stretchier' plastic that is not as thin*, and doesn't split as easily, as a spray can cap, and actually IS the right size and 'perfect fit' which is tight and no tape, or glue, required. (see my image "PerfectedFit")

And, yes, I did spend an hour walking through the grocery store, with my calipers, measuring round caps, containers, and bottles. . . .  8)

*Now bottle = 0.040" wall thickness versus spray cap at around 0.025".

The bottle we seek is any shiny supplement bottle that measures around 2.505" OD which is around 2.430 ID and fits tightly onto a hub at 2.478 OD (0.048 interference fit)
And some 'goof off' solvent will take the label off without damaging the shiny surface.

So, as soon as I have more time and the copper tape arrives, I should be able to move forward again.

And thank you, to quanta magnetics, for the fast, customer service, response.   :)

}:>

PS: I tapped on the hub with my hammer so those are my tool marks and not from the manufacturer.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2013, 03:25:19 AM by Scorch »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6092 on: June 27, 2013, 12:17:33 AM »
I'm surprised people are still working at this. RomeroUK was a scam artist.
The future is in energy from water, no one will create a motor to run their car or home appliances with..

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6092 on: June 27, 2013, 12:17:33 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6093 on: June 27, 2013, 01:02:53 AM »
I'm surprised people are still working at this. RomeroUK was a scam artist.

Just personal opinion - when reading http://pesn.com/2011/05/11/9501823_Romeros_Self-Sustaining_Muller_Dynamo_Drama/ I can't agree with this statement as it clearly showed distress call to save himself and family in his personal letter to Sterling D. Allan
And http://pesn.com/2011/05/11/9501823_Romeros_Self-Sustaining_Muller_Dynamo_Drama/selfrunning_free_energy_device_muller_motor_generator_romerouk_version1_1.pdf contains oscillogram from open ended generator coil what appears to be not pure sine but sin^2 wave which leads to the realm of E. Leedskalnin magnets arrangement in his generator...

 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6094 on: June 27, 2013, 02:37:33 PM »
I remember that letter, I think it was posted on this forum.
It's all part of the show, to get attention and to mislead, imho

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6095 on: June 27, 2013, 05:53:26 PM »
I remember that letter, I think it was posted on this forum.
It's all part of the show, to get attention and to mislead, imho

"Not guilty until proven" - it is better to follow instructions and build to what was intended there then say that lol.
While people are wasting time on speculations and accusions the actual build would judge who was right and who was wrong.
Bill Muller was not scam artist and nor E. Leedskalnin was, the energy of magnets can be utilized and that's the point. :)

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« Reply #6096 on: June 27, 2013, 07:01:00 PM »
I see no evidence the Q2 pulse motor, sine wave peak alternator system*, or other variations such as the addition of the toroidal generator**, is the same as the RomeroUK design, and I believe no such evidence exists.

When somebody claims ". . .no one will create. . ."; is this a claim to know or, otherwise, predict the future?

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Ln5hogw6Q
(Power Transfer, Energy Conversion & Load Behavior. Q2 Motor Generator.)

** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw
(New Q3 generator configuration showing a 600% Voltage Amplification factor from integrated Toroidal Power Amplifier TPA.) 

When someone claims I cannot do it; this only encourages me to try harder!  ;D
Didn't somebody once say something to the extent of: "Those who claim it cannot be done should not interrupt those doing it."?

BTW; here is a minor progress report of what I am doing-
Changed the amp meter to a smaller meter just because I think it looks better.
Did manage to find an insulator that should work well for the sine wave peak switching.
Mounted the relays, assembled the contact block, and installed another terminal block for the alternator section.
Still need to mount the capacitor bank, fabricate the switch contacts, and complete final assembly and wiring.

To the best of my knowledge, this system is not, in any theory, the same as the system presented by RomeroUK.
And, maybe, I am in the wrong place to share this?
Is there an overunity.com forum dedicated to the replications, and testing, of the quanta magnetics Q2 or Q3 experiments?

I am sharing here because the topic is "muller-dynamo" and the Q2, like many others, is similar to Muller's design.
Also; I have not seen any posts here, in a long time, for anymore RomeroUK replications so not sure if the statement "I'm surprised people are still working at this" is even applicable at this point in time.

And I am not even sure who is the original inventor of the spinning disk motor/alternator? Is it Wood? Adams? Muller? Grey? Bedini? Romero?
Considering all the possible variations, many which have not been presented here, does it even matter?  *shrugs*

}:>

I'm surprised people are still working at this. RomeroUK was a scam artist.
The future is in energy from water, no one will create a motor to run their car or home appliances with..

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« Reply #6096 on: June 27, 2013, 07:01:00 PM »
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Offline alan

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6097 on: June 27, 2013, 07:08:20 PM »
"Not guilty until proven" - it is better to follow instructions and build to what was intended there then say that lol.
While people are wasting time on speculations and accusions the actual build would judge who was right and who was wrong.
Bill Muller was not scam artist and nor E. Leedskalnin was, the energy of magnets can be utilized and that's the point. :)
Leedskalnin wasn't a scam artist, look what he's built, that's proof for me  :)
People keep building the romerouk motor/generator and keep failing at replicating the effects, but they'll continue because they think it's real, but won't succeed, on the way, one will succeed but everyone fails to replicate what he did, same with the rosemary ainsley (or what her name was), they just want attention imho.

But I won't say to stop, I hope I'm wrong. Free energy exists, because spirits (=demons) exist, according to my experience

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6098 on: June 28, 2013, 05:43:57 AM »
i think I have to wait one week, my 24 spool for the coils are on transit and the shipping can take more than 3 week for the Martinique..... :-( ...                                                                                                                                            Rotors are ready for the magnets, all the hubs are in place.
I am looking for the optosensors to command the 4 static relays of the generator:
     EE-SX1041 /  EE-SG3 ( OMRON )
or  LTH 301-07   I have to make a choise . If somebody have some idea....


Alan, please , check the PMMG4HYBRID channel on youtube, and share what you think of it. It is all time interresting to speak about it.

Some pictures for waiting with detail of the two disks who must work with two sensor.


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6098 on: June 28, 2013, 05:43:57 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6099 on: June 30, 2013, 01:20:37 AM »
The support for the two opto ( with fine setting timing )

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6100 on: July 01, 2013, 02:28:11 AM »
Tried finishing up the sine wave peak switch block today.
But I did find this to be very challenging.

Without a proper assembly jig; it can be very challenging to attempt to make sure all the copper switch contacts are even and uniform.
Add to this a 3D printed part that has not been "faced" requiring a lot of time trimming and leveling channels, and surfaces, just so the copper contact strips will actually fit and, after several hours, I was not very satisfied with my humble, hand worked, attempt at trying to fabricate uniform parts that actually match and ride evenly on the rotor/commutator.
In fact, after just a few revolutions, by hand, I can see these uneven contacts are just going to cut right through the thin copper strips on the rotor.

SO I grabbed some of the switches, I plan to use on my mini dynamo, which are just salvaged parts from an old washing machine timer.
And, to my amazement, the spacing of these timer contacts are actually the same as the Q2 contact block.
And they do have very nice, smooth faced, contacts which should be a lot friendlier to the thin, copper, contacts on the rotor.

So I tossed out my original, hand made, attempt and worked with these machine made contact strips which actually worked out quite well and I am very satisfied with the end result.

So, 4+ hours later, I was finally able to install two more bolts.   :)



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Re: Muller Dynamo
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« Reply #6101 on: July 02, 2013, 11:02:42 PM »
The instructions say something to the extent of 'drill hole for Allen wrench'.
This because the set screws are actually located in the main body of the hub, versus in the flange, which is directly below the insulator.

But cutting a hole, anywhere near the path of the switch contacts, fails to appeal to my common sense logic.
So I removed the hole then drilled, and tapped, a 10-32 hole in a different location and installed my own stainless steel set screw.

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« Reply #6102 on: July 13, 2013, 02:00:29 AM »
Ok; I was looking at this switching setup again and still not real satisfied with the way the insulator turned out.

It does fit nice and tight on the hub, and does work ok, but the PETE supplement bottle I used does have some very minor irregularities.
It does have a very slight seam and there does appear to be some inconsistencies in the thickness of the material resulting in just a very slight (maybe a few thousandths of an inch) of 'up & down' movement of the switch contacts. . . .

These types of bottles probably come from a blow mould, or some such thing, which has pretty loose tolerances and I had noticed some thickness differences from one bottle, to the next, of the same product.
And, the sad thing is, I am kind of a perfectionist when it comes to these moving parts. Any irregularities, or wobbles, just annoys me, to no end, even though I am sure it will work just fine. . .

So I spent a little more time looking around and discovered that "Great Stuff" can caps actually work a lot better than any other spray can caps, or bottles, that I could find at this point.
Unlike a lot of paint, or other, spray can caps, this HDPE cap actually fits snug on the hub, does not have any taper, has no visible mould seams, appears to be a more consistent thickness, and a more suitable material for the job.   :)

Guess I just had to look in the right place for the "Great Stuff" which has been probably been using the same cap for many years and is not likely to change any time soon.

And I do hope to get some more work done this weekend.

}:>

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« Reply #6103 on: July 13, 2013, 05:29:16 PM »
And here is how it looks with the right, great, stuff installed.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6104 on: July 13, 2013, 10:24:31 PM »
I have just receive the spools...The shipping take 6 weeks, and for the moment I can't share anything...only some pictures of the stators with emply spools...

 

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