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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6015 on: February 17, 2013, 09:05:08 PM »
But, if the free wheeling rotor is not faster than the U coils loaded, of which I believe he intends to be showing, then there is something to it.

For example, if we added 2 more U core/coils loaded, while it was running introduce the core/coils loaded and we get further speedup, this is a good thing.  ;)

But that would have to be tested also. But firstly the freewheel test would be worth a 1000 words.  ;)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6015 on: February 17, 2013, 09:05:08 PM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6016 on: February 17, 2013, 09:31:59 PM »
Hi Mags,

I agree with you on both of your posts.

I do think that in his U shape iron rods eddy currents are induced as the rotor magnets go across the prongs and the coils on the rods are unloaded.  And when these coils are loaded, the flux from the coil (Lenz effect) reduces the magnetization in the iron so eddy losses become less, the prime mover DC motor "sees" less drag, so RPM can go up, toghether with an input current reducement.  The builder of this setup should indeed remove the two U shaped iron rods and show the RPM and input current in that case too.
Unfortunately, several tests have been shown "as rotor speeds up under load" but the same problem may hamper those tests too.  More careful tests are needed.

Gyula

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6017 on: February 17, 2013, 09:57:12 PM »
Hi Mags,

I agree with you on both of your posts.

I do think that in his U shape iron rods eddy currents are induced as the rotor magnets go across the prongs and the coils on the rods are unloaded.  And when these coils are loaded, the flux from the coil (Lenz effect) reduces the magnetization in the iron so eddy losses become less, the prime mover DC motor "sees" less drag, so RPM can go up, toghether with an input current reducement.  The builder of this setup should indeed remove the two U shaped iron rods and show the RPM and input current in that case too.
Unfortunately, several tests have been shown "as rotor speeds up under load" but the same problem may hamper those tests too.  More careful tests are needed.

Gyula
Hey Gyula

Thanks.  Its easy to overlook some things, if they havnt 'seen' them before.  ;)

I was thinking the same on the eddies. Or even maybe like the Orbo. But then there is still the loaded coils, as they should have provided drag. Or was he getting delayed lenz.
The coils are big, and 2 of them(in series?) is large inductance compared to the 2 lil buggers below. Or are they a special winding? 

Lots of unknowns.

Mags

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6017 on: February 17, 2013, 09:57:12 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6018 on: February 17, 2013, 10:57:43 PM »
Thought you guys might be interested in this-

I am selling a huge lot alternative energy stuff including a couple SSGs, Muller style dynamo, Ed Leedskanlin's perpetual motion holder and LOTS of extra components, and hardware, on Ebay-
www.ebay.com/itm/150998286170

Hopefully this stuff will sell, soon, so I can buy more stuff. . .

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6019 on: February 17, 2013, 11:14:41 PM »
I just reviewed this video.
It does appear to be a very interesting demonstration of what Ed Leedskanlin called 'dual magnetic currents'

Just more evidence the current state of the art, including motors, transformers, and measuring devices, are totally one sided, 50%, or less, efficient than they should be and our meters are not telling us the whole story. . .

}:>

Scortch,


Have you seen this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M


It looks very interesting.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6019 on: February 17, 2013, 11:14:41 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6020 on: February 17, 2013, 11:25:54 PM »
I was reviewing my "stock" of free energy concepts and devices build, that due to lack of room most of them are dismantled, so the bizzare parts lying around are witnesses of a past passion (madness?) to achieve that supposed supressed overunity.


I desparately needed a miracle back then, a miracle to save me and my loved ones from the economic chaos that Greece is plunged 3 years now.
Having spend more that 4000 euros or 5000 usd, endless time of thinking and reading, experiencing small oasis of joy and endless hot deserts of frustration, i ended up with the ability to undestand basic electronics, repair electrical devices and creating electronics for hobby and a small income.




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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6021 on: February 19, 2013, 08:14:44 AM »
Mini Dynamo initial mockup.

Interesting what I can build with just a few dollars worth of plastic and steel.

Still waiting on bearings, hubs, and shaft which should arrive soon.
Now I just need to motivate myself to get off my lazy tail and wind 24 coils . . .
Pretty easy to do, with measured wire and a sewing machine, but is time consuming.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6022 on: February 20, 2013, 11:54:51 PM »
Questions with regards to what you might suggest for coil configurations to be installed in the mini dynamo. (See previous images)
 
 I have two styles of bobbins and three choices for wire.
 See image of bobbins.
 
 With regards to bobbins-
 One has an outside diameter of .800 and the inside space, for wire, is .350.
 While, on the other claw, the lower profile bobbin has an outside diameter slightly larger at .860 then inside space is .250 and has an appearance closer to scale of what the Q2 uses.
 
 Rotor magnets will be .750 diameter X .50 thick N45 magnets and there may not, really, be much of a difference in terms of magnetic field penetration of the two different coil heights.
 
 Then I have three different magnet wires on the shelf.
 
 20,23,26 AWG
 
What might you suggest with these choices of bobbins and wire?
I am pretty sure 20AWG is not going to be very many turns on these small bobbins. . .
 
The intention is a 12 volt system but 24 volt would also be fine.
My preference would be 26AWG as it's the smallest single conductor available and the most wire in the coil.

And if the most wire is the goal then the wider bobbin may be preferred but, then again, maybe not preferred as a shorter coil might have better saturation but, then again, maybe the difference is negligible compared to the size of the magnet and more wire is preferred or, then again, maybe the wider bobbin is preferred but use next size larger wire for better current or, maybe, one wire size for motor, and another size for alternator, and would these two different sizes also include different size bobbins?

Bleh.  :-\

 I am open to suggestions.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6023 on: February 28, 2013, 04:17:12 AM »
Managed to spend some more time fabricating stuff.
Got all 24 coils wound, bearings mounted, coil fasteners machined and rotors assembled.
And performed an initial assembly of the primary unit.

Still waiting on some electronic parts and different switching options are under consideration.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6024 on: February 28, 2013, 06:45:45 PM »
Please view the 5 brief attachments, they are of a related, but new design of a motor / generator, I have filed  a provisional patent, my intention is to insure that the device gets into the public domain as quickly, and widely as possible. After you have viewed the documents,
And if you agree, that sharing the documents is a "good" idea please do so, as quickly and widely as you can.  I think it a possibility that the integration of this design into an already high efficiency electric motor or generator could push it over unity.  Please discuss, publish, experiment with, build, use or sell or whatever you wish to do with the concept / design as long as it makes the design available to anyone.
 

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Floor

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6025 on: February 28, 2013, 11:32:10 PM »
Explanation of the principle:

An all permanent magnet motor would be a simple thing to design, if there was a way to rapidly, turn permanent magnets on and off as desired. And if this could be done with out spending too much energy in doing so.  Note, that sometimes electromagnets are used to counter act permanent magnets.  The electromagnet is magnetically polarized opposite to the permanent magnet. This (in effect), turns off the permanent magnet, but not without expending too much energy for it to be useful as a way of "turning off" the permanent magnets in an all permanent magnet motor. (Google search electro permanent magnet).  Since the discovery of "super magnets" this combination is sometimes used in lifting cranes. If power fails the crane does not drop it's pay load, an no power is consumed, except when releasing the pay load.

Similarly, the strength of an electromagnet and a permanent magnet can be combined, if their polarities are in the same direction.  In the DC motor design presented. The permanent magnets are always off, (in effect) because of their distance from the shell and each other.

If one were to remove the permanent magnets from the device presented, it would be, essentially a simple,  and conventional DC motor with electromagnet field and armature windings. Such motors sometimes perform at greater than 90% efficiency. The magnetic fields produced in the presented design, (with the permanent magnets in place) will be greater than the electrical wattage that goes into them, because those fields will also have a percentage of the permanent magnet field added to them when the electromagnets are energized.

If they can contribute, say 10 % to a 91% efficiency, it will be O U.

       Thank you again for your time
 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6026 on: March 01, 2013, 12:19:19 AM »
I do find this to be a very interesting design indeed.
And, yes, I agree it should be shared.

And here is a single file, of all five pages, easier to share.

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Explanation of the principle:

An all permanent magnet motor would be a simple thing to design, if there was a way to rapidly, turn permanent magnets on and off as desired. And if this could be done with out spending too much energy in doing so.  Note, that sometimes electromagnets are used to counter act permanent magnets.  The electromagnet is magnetically polarized opposite to the permanent magnet. This (in effect), turns off the permanent magnet, but not without expending too much energy for it to be useful as a way of "turning off" the permanent magnets in an all permanent magnet motor. (Google search electro permanent magnet).  Since the discovery of "super magnets" this combination is sometimes used in lifting cranes. If power fails the crane does not drop it's pay load, an no power is consumed, except when releasing the pay load.

Similarly, the strength of an electromagnet and a permanent magnet can be combined, if their polarities are in the same direction.  In the DC motor design presented. The permanent magnets are always off, (in effect) because of their distance from the shell and each other.

If one were to remove the permanent magnets from the device presented, it would be, essentially a simple,  and conventional DC motor with electromagnet field and armature windings. Such motors sometimes perform at greater than 90% efficiency. The magnetic fields produced in the presented design, (with the permanent magnets in place) will be greater than the electrical wattage that goes into them, because those fields will also have a percentage of the permanent magnet field added to them when the electromagnets are energized.

If they can contribute, say 10 % to a 91% efficiency, it will be O U.

       Thank you again for your time

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6027 on: March 02, 2013, 02:12:35 AM »

Scorch,


Here is couple of other videos showing acceleration of a generator under load. And 4 points regarding this.


1. Hains makes the point that it is the use of a "High Voltage" coil that gives the acceleration.


Originally by Thane Heins: [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TGJKrDpuAg[/size]




2. Notice this guy has "High Voltage" coils too.


This one by "YouRogga": [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZM76OUle-A[/size]



3. Looking at the first video I linked for you by Mr2Tuff2, look carefully and you will see that his coils that give the acceleration are "High Voltage" also.
([size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M[/size]) (as posted above)


4. This is also what Joseph Newman claimed about his Big Eureka, motor, was that it didn't use "Amperage", that it runs on "High Voltage".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g

Are these guys on to something?


Hope this is enlightening.


Thanks.


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« Reply #6028 on: March 02, 2013, 10:00:39 PM »
First video link is not working.
In fact I had noticed, a few months ago, that ALL of Thane Haines stuff seems to have disappeared.
Any idea what is going on with that?

The other videos are very interesting.
The acceleration under full, shorted, load is very interesting then the RPM appears to remain after return to partial load.
I do wonder: How much is the 'shorted' load? Does current actually increase as RPM increases? Would be interesting to see an amp meter on his dead short.

The Newman Device video is also very interesting.
I am almost 50 years old and I find it very frustrating to know these things have been around for this long but have been completely suppressed.
And, yes, his system is using pretty high voltages. And the demonstrations of the Q2 also mentions how the system 'loves high voltage' and also runs on a stack of nine volt batteries.

This is why I decided to use the 26AWG I had on the shelf, for my mini dynamo, because this will give me the most turns that will fit on these mini bobbins.
I also decided to use the wider, lower profile, bobbins because these give better 'over-lap' as the magnet passes from one coil to the next and, in general, just provides a better appearance of a 'scaled down' version.

I have received the magnets, and capacitors, for the Q2.
Just waiting for them to catch up, with their back orders, and ship the main kit out to me.

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Scorch,


Here is couple of other videos showing acceleration of a generator under load. And 4 points regarding this.


1. Hains makes the point that it is the use of a "High Voltage" coil that gives the acceleration.


Originally by Thane Heins: [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TGJKrDpuAg[/size]




2. Notice this guy has "High Voltage" coils too.


This one by "YouRogga": [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZM76OUle-A[/size]



3. Looking at the first video I linked for you by Mr2Tuff2, look carefully and you will see that his coils that give the acceleration are "High Voltage" also.
([size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M[/size]) (as posted above)


4. This is also what Joseph Newman claimed about his Big Eureka, motor, was that it didn't use "Amperage", that it runs on "High Voltage".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g

Are these guys on to something?


Hope this is enlightening.


Thanks.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6029 on: March 03, 2013, 07:34:47 AM »

Scorch,

That is a very nice looking build you have going there.


I should not be surprised about that link, but I am, it literally worked yesterday. Now I wish I had downloaded it. The suppression is obviously severe. I guess Thane must have sold out (or was coerced) and so apparently all his stuff, even the mirrors are being removed.


You will be pleased to know that one of his high voltage coils was also AWG 26 (I think). But it looked like he had iron cores too. And his were larger, like the size of a half spool. He claimed the size of the wire didn't really matter, it was the number of winds or amount of wire that mattered.. And bottom line, he said the secret is there is no secrete, simply use a high voltage winding.




[size=78%]Here is a very recent JNL labs full confirmation of the Heins high voltage Acceleration effect under load.However, JNL Labs called it "High Inductance".[/size]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJuwj8RhYHY


But maybe it is not simply related to the voltage/Inductance, there seems to be a resonance effect related to the inductance of the coils and the RPM or switching speed.


This shows another JNL labs reproduction of the Heins acceleration effect but here he shows how it is dependent on the RPM. At low RPM it slowed down, but at a high RPM it accelerated. And from his data you can see that the RPM needed to be above 350 to see the acceleration effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW-y1yKG36U


It makes me think that is very much like the LC circuit resonance effect. And that would make this more difficult to tune because the resonant (RPM of the speedup) point would depend on the load.


When the load changes so does the resonate frequency in a resonate LC circuit.


These links can be found from the JNL home page: [size=78%]http://jnaudin.free.fr/[/size]


Hopes this helps.


Thanks.




 

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