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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6000 on: February 05, 2013, 10:03:05 PM »
Just a minor progress report.

Went ahead and modified the bearings by way of cleaning out manufacturer's grease and using light oil.
In terms of a long lasting device, performing daily work, I prefer not to do this because grease is the long lasting lubricant that slowly melts, and releases oil, as needed.
But in terms of an experimental device, and attempting to eliminate as much friction as possible, this is preferred and ok for short term use.

Also went ahead and performed a more precision balancing of the rotor.

Accomplished by setting up a pair of perfectly level straight edges then watching how the 'heavy' end of rotor always settles in one spot.
Then remove material from that spot by drilling.
Then repeat this trial, and error, process until rotor no longer stops at same spot each time.
Then entire length of rotor edge can be covered with tape, if so desired, to eliminate air resistance from drilled holes.

Then, of course, make better rotor next time that is properly centered and doesn't need so much balancing procedures.  ;)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6000 on: February 05, 2013, 10:03:05 PM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6001 on: February 10, 2013, 10:56:14 PM »
So, I took my current build, as it is, (see image) over to a meeting with some friends and those who are technically minded are showing a lot of interest.
But as it stands, right now, while it may impress some of them, I am not impressed.
It's really cool and a relatively well built design.
And I can see that it does have a lot of potential if I were to go ahead and proceed with attempts to actually replicate the device, this forum is all about, with cores, and backing magnets, and fine tuning to achieve a resonant system.

BUT, once again, I find myself very impressed with what quanta magnetics has just produced.
Using nothing more than a pulsed DC motor/generator consisting of rotors containing six magnets and stators containing six coil pairs, and simple switching to harvest the peaks of the sine wave, he is once again demonstrating a very impressive unit as featured in these two new videos I just discovered yesterday.

Part one-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9aFUGtzU8

Part two-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Ln5hogw6Q

And if I had an extra $3,500.00 to purchase the kit, and needed extras, I would do it right now.

But I also wish to replicate a smaller, desktop, demonstration unit that I can take to meetings and encourage others to investigate these things.

And, eventually, have a device useful for home power such as the devices offered by quanta magnetics.

In the meantime, I am very inclined to steer away from the offset design, drill my next set of stators to have eight coil pairs for my eight magnet rotor already built, mounted, and balanced.
And with another pair of rotors on the way, along with stator plates already on hand, I have enough materials to build a dual rotor system with sixteen coil motor and sixteen coil generator. Or, a single rotor system with four motor and four generator coil pairs.
And this saves money on ferrite cores, additional magnets, elaborate controls, tedious mathematics, tuning, etc. in favor of a desktop version of the Q2 dynamo what uses simple switching, and capacitors, to capture voltage peaks without slowing the rotors.

I already have most of the materials to do this BUT this is straying completely away from what RomeroUK built.
And I'm not sure if this the right place to keep providing updates for a build that will be completely different. . .

That is all, for now, as I continue to contemplate all the possibilities while staring at, and admiring, what just PMMG4HYBRID built.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6002 on: February 11, 2013, 12:44:56 AM »
snip...
I already have most of the materials to do this BUT this is straying completely away from what RomeroUK built.
snip...

Since RomeroUK's self running dynamo was a fraud, then straying away from his build can only be beneficial.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6002 on: February 11, 2013, 12:44:56 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6003 on: February 11, 2013, 03:18:17 AM »

Without the knowledge, of first hand experience, I cannot take the position RomeroUK's device is a fraud or not.
But I do have the experience of watching, and hearing, Zero Fossil Fuel's video regarding the potential resonance possibilities of this device.
See his video #285 titled: "Unlocking Muller Motor Secrets" in which he has been heard to say such things as "quite extraordinary", "it resonated", "the voltage spiked" and "I believe once this baby hits 88mph; you're going to see some serious stuff.".

And, to the best of my knowledge, ZFF appears to know what he is talking about and has never lied to me.

Whether, or not, an offset odd/even combination of magnets, to coils, would be required is an entirely different question.
But is, still, a very unique configuration which may have certain advantages. Just depends on what you want to do.

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Since RomeroUK's self running dynamo was a fraud, then straying away from his build can only be beneficial.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6004 on: February 12, 2013, 07:15:19 PM »
Here we come again... new year, same old scam.

This guy is a known fake. He produced his first (fake) videos a few years back.
Subsequently he started his forum [underservice.org] where he leads his faithful followers to where no free energy is in sight. [This is not mine - I've borrowed it from another post].

As far as I remember, last year user 'trace_ru' offered RomeroUK to come out clean. When RomeroUK refused and kept on mumbling  'the men in black took my dynamo', 'trace_ru' published an entire dossier of the guy on RomeroUK's forum (which was deleted pretty quickly), including RomeroUK's background and his photos etc. etc.  Having said 'deleted', nothing gets deleted on the Net - I've seen posts re-published on other forums.

So I wonder how RomeroUK plans to dazzle us this time...


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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6005 on: February 12, 2013, 08:27:37 PM »
What is the motive for the alleged 'scam'?
How much money was the alleged scammer attempting to gain?
Is hearsay, of an alleged scam, relevant to my pursuit of happiness by way of hands on experience and learning about these very different systems and wide ranging designs?
Was there ever a claim of being "real" such as: "This is a documentary video production"?
Is it possible some video productions are merely a fictional representation of what is POSSIBLE?
Do such productions encourage me to maintain an open mind and TRY by way of building a device labeled: "Testing the 'impossible"?
Do I need to be 'dazzled', by the possibilities, in order to be encouraged?
Or are the much louder yells of "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE a far STRONGER encouragement?

Are you of the position this is "bad"?
What if closed minds also came with closed mouths? Would this actually result in LESS encouragement for me to TRY?
Could it be said: "those who say it's impossible to do; should make way for those actually doing it"?

Is mere asking, of questions, an argument or a particular position?

}:>

Here we come again... new year, same old scam.

This guy is a known fake. He produced his first (fake) videos a few years back.
Subsequently he started his forum [underservice.org] where he leads his faithful followers to where no free energy is in sight. [This is not mine - I've borrowed it from another post].

As far as I remember, last year user 'trace_ru' offered RomeroUK to come out clean. When RomeroUK refused and kept on mumbling  'the men in black took my dynamo', 'trace_ru' published an entire dossier of the guy on RomeroUK's forum (which was deleted pretty quickly), including RomeroUK's background and his photos etc. etc.  Having said 'deleted', nothing gets deleted on the Net - I've seen posts re-published on other forums.

So I wonder how RomeroUK plans to dazzle us this time...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6006 on: February 13, 2013, 06:24:27 PM »
Scorch,

No one is stopping you. Frankly, I'd be the first to congratulate you when (if) you'd achieved a self-sustained rotation with a load.
By all means do go ahead and try.

I also appreciate that once you have started a project you'd need to maintain a positive attitude.  We are all for it and nobody's going to tell you otherwise. However, there are some people here who, for one reason or another, falsify their results. RomeroUK's self-sustaining unit is one of the known fakes.

My point is that it is not helping anyone to post false statements and videos even if the reason is to encourage new research.
I have read a few posts where authors confessed that they were lured into the project by false videos. (The thinking behind being: ' I can take the idea but will do it better and - presto! - free energy). The end result was always a huge disappointment.
We need new people and new ideas but starting with a lie is not going to help.

So, please, go ahead and finish you project and do tell us the results. Just don't tell us humbugs or equivocations.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6006 on: February 13, 2013, 06:24:27 PM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6007 on: February 13, 2013, 11:51:51 PM »
Scorch,


So, please, go ahead and finish you project and do tell us the results. Just don't tell us humbugs or equivocations.

I love people when they only tell you about the problem, but never any type of solutions or possible solutions...


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6008 on: February 14, 2013, 06:41:54 PM »
With regards to the original video, containing no dialog, or claims, I see no evidence of any Scam, Fake, or Fraud, and I believe no such evidence exists.

With regards to internet postings of false statements, retractions, corrections, 'truth', etc. I have seen no evidence that ANY posted statements, or claims, including mine or YOURS, posted in any VIRTUAL REALITY (internet forum) may EVER be considered as 100% "True" without required verifiable certification, sworn under oath, signed under penalty of perjury, documented EVIDENCE; shall be considered as anything other than 'questionable' or 'hearsay'; and I believe no such evidence exists.

With regards to use of the term 'free energy'; for the context of my personal use of the term: 'free energy' is that for which does not come with a utility bill.
And my goal is merely the CONVERSION of existing energy, from the surrounding environment, converted into a more useful form such as a conversion of heat energy into electrical energy.
Or the conversion of torsion fields* into electrical energy.

As such-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcUnpamk-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZv7DhxpX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc

*See: "torsion Physics" or "quantum Physics" or "ether energy" or "energy from the vacuum" or "vortex math" or any OTHER terms used to describe the SAME energy found in the orbits, and rotations, of all mater from the spin of the universe, galaxies, solar systems, planets, etc, all the way down to the atomic level electron orbits of atoms and molecules.

And if the electron orbits, in all matter, is not 'perpetual motion' then what is?!?
How about if I simply agree with those, who claim there is no such thing as 'perpetual', and use the term: Millions of years?
What care I, in terms of my short life, if it only runs for 100 years?

With regards to a self sustained rotation, under a load, I intend to purchase this experimental kit within a few days-
http://shop.quantamagnetics.com/Q2-Motor-Generator-Kit-77699.htm

The following is a substantial multitude of possible configurations, experiments, replications of the main experiment as smaller, desktop, versions and a completely unknown future at this point in time.

SO, how can I, POSSIBLY, take ANY position EVER?

}:>


Scorch,

No one is stopping you. Frankly, I'd be the first to congratulate you when (if) you'd achieved a self-sustained rotation with a load.
By all means do go ahead and try.

I also appreciate that once you have started a project you'd need to maintain a positive attitude.  We are all for it and nobody's going to tell you otherwise. However, there are some people here who, for one reason or another, falsify their results. RomeroUK's self-sustaining unit is one of the known fakes.

My point is that it is not helping anyone to post false statements and videos even if the reason is to encourage new research.
I have read a few posts where authors confessed that they were lured into the project by false videos. (The thinking behind being: ' I can take the idea but will do it better and - presto! - free energy). The end result was always a huge disappointment.
We need new people and new ideas but starting with a lie is not going to help.

So, please, go ahead and finish you project and do tell us the results. Just don't tell us humbugs or equivocations.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6009 on: February 14, 2013, 08:02:02 PM »
... With regards to a self sustained rotation, under a load, I intend to purchase this experimental kit within a few days-
http://shop.quantamagnetics.com/Q2-Motor-Generator-Kit-77699.htm

I am thinking to buy the same kit, but I not convince that is worth it, as it is very expensive and does not comes with the capacitors, or magnets....

The other thing I noticed is the coils, have one wire... I dont see much gain with single thread wires....  :-\

Have anyone here in the forum have bought one of these, and can provide good feedback? thanks.





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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6010 on: February 14, 2013, 08:40:17 PM »
Ok; back to the drawing board for me.
If saturated coils, possibly resulting in acceleration under load, or, at least, no deceleration under load, is the goal; then the position of the sewing bobbin coils must be a lot closer together so the magnetic fields never completely leave the coils.
See image.

Based on other designs; here is the current direction I intend to take this:
Going to try six coils with six magnets spaced so that magnets always over-lap the coils.
Will be a compact, dual rotor, design with one 'motor' section and one 'alternator' section.
Will use the absolute cheapest, and simplest, methods in terms of air cores and basic switching such as brushes, commutators, and solid state relays to capture BEMF and sine wave peaks.

This will be a very compact design intended to be easy to transport and present in classrooms or meetings.
Dimensions will probably be that of a cube of approximately six inches and four inch rotors.

That is all for now.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6011 on: February 14, 2013, 09:16:55 PM »
You can download that degree wheel from
http://www.machinerycleanery.com/DWUniversal.htm

I`ll modify it for 360 deg and print onto a (scrap) CD :)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6012 on: February 17, 2013, 09:05:48 AM »
Was able to cut, and drill, 4 stator plates, and cut two rotors, in about one hour including mapping out template on grid paper.
Stator plates are 1/4" polycarbonate. Rotors are 1/2" polycarbonate.
Used hole saw, band saw, and drill press. No CNC.

This is going to be a pretty cool, 'pocket', sized dynamo.
Might be a challenge to fabricate other components to size.
Will have to fabricate small timing plates and switches as well as acquire other, smaller, components such as SSRs, rectifiers, and capacitors.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6013 on: February 17, 2013, 07:47:22 PM »
Scortch,


Have you seen this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M


It looks very interesting.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #6014 on: February 17, 2013, 08:58:39 PM »
Scortch,


Have you seen this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M


It looks very interesting.

Nice demonstration. ;]

But this is where things get sticky.  I would say that he needs to show the 12v motor driving the wheel, without 'any' pickup coils or cores near the rotor. The pickup coils, unloaded, the cores cause a drag on the wheel.

Soo, if the rpm goes up and amps in goes down if we remove the cores and the wheel is spinning alone, would those rpms and input amps be lower than what he has shown with the U shaped core pickup coils loaded?  If so, then that difference is where the energy comes from to run the loads, and there is no free lunch.

We have to remember that those cores, along with the ones on the bottom, all cause drag. Wasted energy if the coils are not loaded. In his test, while loading the U coils and showing speed up and input decline, if he removed the 2 bottom coils/cores, the speedup would be more and the input would decrease again!  ;) His numbers would be better due to eliminating waste.

So the final approach would be, does the wheel running on the 12v motor 'alone', no cores/coils in place, spin faster along with less input than with the U coils mounted and loaded as shown. Simple. If so, then one could measure and calculate the power used in the loads to see if it all just adds up. ;) And if it comes up even steven, that is pretty good efficiency for all the things going on there, and would be quite an accomplishment.  ;)

Maybe the guy would be willing to do these things to come up with a stronger conclusion as to what is really happening.

Mags

 

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