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Offline T-1000

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5925 on: November 04, 2012, 01:41:42 AM »
http://www.totallyamped.net/adams

Read all, you might learn something. Thane refused to acknowledge that this effect is easy to achieve and does not need "High voltage" coils or any interwinding capacitance. The drag reduction effect has been known since Tesla's days, and in fact Tesla utilised it in one of his many induction motor patents.
Thane's aproach was to magnetically couple 2 coils with high and low inductance making passing magnet as catalyst of (ringing?) process.
Adams approach was to introduce opposite force for short period of time so Lenz force was nullified and rotor's magnet passed through.
Bruce Depalma's approach was to overcome constant mechanic resistance then self run by introducion of Faraday's rotoverter principle where Faraday Generator was power source for Faraday motor and after passing zero point it generated mechanical energy for conventional generator.

All they share same basics - the frequency and time on when it happens.

P.S> The missunderstanding does not mean thing does not work ;)

Offline hoptoad

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5926 on: November 04, 2012, 01:50:34 AM »
Thane's aproach was to magnetically couple 2 coils with high and low inductance making passing magnet as catalyst of (ringing?) process.
Adams approach was to introduce opposite force for short period of time so Lenz force was nullified and rotor's magnet passed through.
Bruce Depalma's approach was to overcome constant mechanic resistance then self run by introducion of Faraday's rotoverter principe where Faraday Generator was power source for Faraday motor and after passing zero point it generated mechanical energy for conventional generator.

All they share same basics - the frequency and time on when it happens.

P.S> The missunderstanding does not mean thing does not work ;)

So, do you want to understand what is actually happening or don't you? If you don't, then be prepared for endless disappointment in your quest for OU when trying to use this effect to achieve it.

Offline ZoRG

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5927 on: November 06, 2012, 06:10:19 PM »
Hello guys , who be not tried to put power MOSFET in the device? My researches move very slowly. Very much it would be desirable to own information. Who can already repeated the scheme of a drive of coils.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5928 on: November 06, 2012, 07:38:13 PM »
Hello guys , who be not tried to put power MOSFET in the device? My researches move very slowly. Very much it would be desirable to own information. Who can already repeated the scheme of a drive of coils.

ZoRG, the diagram you posted earlier will work and is basically the same scheme I use to drive my Marinov Slab motor. I use an N-channel mosfet, though, connected as inverter, with coil load on high side. It might be a good idea to put a diode across the coil connections to protect the delicate P-channel mosfet from the spikes that result when the coils are turned off, and a tiny 0,1 uF 50V ceramic bypass capacitor on the power lead of the Hall sensor, to ground. These inductive collapse spikes can also be "siphoned" off using the diode to charge up external capacitors or batteries. Make the positioning of the Hall sensor adjustable radially and circumferentially with respect to the rotor: the radial in-out distance will control your duty cycle or "dwell" and the circumferential position controls the "timing" or the place in the cycle where the mosfet turns on/off. Depending on your mechanical setup, it may be possible to use a single mosfet/Hall sensor to pulse all the coils at the proper time, or you could use individual switch circuits for each coil pair and adjust them all separately for timing and dwell.
The Allegro Microsystems Hall sensors are great, they are cheap and reliable and easy to interface. Good Luck!

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5929 on: November 10, 2012, 11:51:50 PM »
11/10/12

Hello everybody.
I haven't been getting any work done on my latest build as I am wrapping up some other projects including a major over-haul of a diesel powered step van I am trying to get done before winter grips this area.

I'm writing, today, because I just discovered this new video from Quanta Magnetics.
Apparently they are going to offer their own version of an Arduino controller complete with analog adjustments . . .

I've really been looking forward to what these guys are building but also feeling like I am behind the curve.
They did some really interesting demonstrations with mechanical switching so I was interested in trying that.
Only to discover there are several, difficult, challenges for using mechanical switching.
Especially when attempting to switch 8 times per revolution.

But, NOW, they come out with THIS . . .

Preview-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llHfT3tFLnw

Running-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrMeyS332Rw

Live and learn.

}:>

Offline tysb3

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5930 on: December 14, 2012, 07:54:01 PM »
there is from little bit different context, but maybe we are there too:

Now, one important thing that I will mention AGAIN, is that NEVER turn OFF prime mover while Generator have the Loads ON, NEVER!!
 As also never turn Prime Mover ON while Generator have Loads connected and ON…It needs to run for a bit, reaching normal working spec’s before turning all loads ON!

(http://www.energeticforum.com/customavatars/avatar83697_3.gif) Ufopolitics

Offline DeepCut

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5931 on: December 14, 2012, 08:24:37 PM »
I've been mostly off the forums for the past year, i recently got back into experimenting.

I only experiment with the AUL effect, as hoptoad says i don't think it can be OU but i know it can save energy, a simple thought experiment proves this.

Imagine a simple, standard generator, with it's high current coils. We know that motor/generator theory says that when a load is attached, this requires more work on the part of the generator to keep up the needed supply current, and therefore input power draw goes up.

Imagine the same generator with high-impedance coils that exhibit the AUL effect at or above a certain frequency. We attach our load, the rotor speed goes up, and the input current draw goes down.

I know very little theory or maths so i can only go on bench results.

I'm spending my money and time on this because i enjoy it and i think it can be made useful.

In the future i hope to have something proveably energy-saving and useful. Right now i only have devices that exhibit the effect, for testing.

Here is my pulse motor version :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8lI1VvM6Es&list=UUDz1_S1kOhi9nYZB0KV7znA&index=5

Here is a multi-magnet rotor version, driven by a motor :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLTcXeLsx3Q&list=UUDz1_S1kOhi9nYZB0KV7znA&index=4

Here is a simple transformer version :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XLXozK8csM&list=UUDz1_S1kOhi9nYZB0KV7znA&index=3

The next device is a so-called hybrid coil.

It combines okay current (0.5 amps) with high inductance, making a coil of 0.5mm wire of many turns.

The hybrid coil negates the downfall of seperate HV coils, because each additional HV coil introduces core-drag.

The next step after that device is to do a complete generator.


All the best,

DC.





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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5932 on: December 14, 2012, 08:49:22 PM »
@Deepcut,
 
             I call the effect of the rotor speeding up accompanied by input drop "Lenz Propulsion". Here's the central fallacy of the Muller Dynamo. Multiple output coils divide and share rotor output, they don't multiply it. The same goes for the propulsion effect. When you add a second, identical, equally spaced high inductance output coil, both the output and the "Lenz Propulson" effect drop in half in each of the output coils. Thinik about what I'm saying. These findings came off my test bench. There's only one "X" amount of Lenz reversal effect for any given magnet rotor. This "X" factor has an upward limit that's constant in every system, regardless of how many, one or any number output coils are added.

Offline DeepCut

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5933 on: December 14, 2012, 09:11:50 PM »
Thanks synchro, you've obviously gone further with this than myself.

What are your thoughts on the effect within a transformer ?


DC.


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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5934 on: December 14, 2012, 09:19:38 PM »
@DeepCut,
 
             The effect with the transformer is marvelous! I would imagine though, that you'll run into the same constant limitations I encountered with the multiple output coils if you try to increase the advantage.   

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5935 on: December 14, 2012, 09:22:42 PM »
Do you have a youtube channel ?


DC.


Offline synchro1

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5936 on: December 14, 2012, 09:27:03 PM »
@DeepCut,
 
              Yes, "Zebok3".
 
 

Offline DeepCut

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5937 on: December 14, 2012, 09:29:37 PM »
Oh, i'm already a subscriber :)


DC.


Offline synchro1

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5938 on: December 14, 2012, 10:04:04 PM »
@DeepCut,
 
              Likewise! Your latest pulse motor and transformer videos are really outstanding. Thanks. I'm also Allen Burgess over at Energetic forum. Most of my contribution in this area was on the "Single magnet bearingless Bedini spinner" thread hosted by jonnydavro.

Offline DeepCut

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #5939 on: December 14, 2012, 10:06:12 PM »
Thanks Zebok, i admire your work too, i didn't realise it was you i've been away for a while !

What are the details of the system you used to test multiple HV coils ?

I'd like to know coil inductances, resistances, core material, number of coils/magnets etc ...


Cheers,

DC.