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i_ron:

--- Quote from: Chef on July 02, 2011, 12:16:27 AM ---What you don't mention,when there are harmonics present, the ambient Zippons starting to pump power from the zero point. I really don't know how could you missed that out!  :D ;)

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LOL,  :D

Ron

Magluvin:
I had to go out for a bit since my last post and was thinking.

In my post above, I made statements on the difference between 2 and 4 strand multifilars.  I may need to correct that. But I think its a good correction. ;]

When I described the 4, (never having made one , just 2 so far) I neglected to count the 1 and 4 capacitance. So it should be as follows.  2.5v for wires 1 and 2, 2.5 for 2 and 3, 2.5v for 3 and 4, AND 2.5v for 4 and 1.  ;]

Remember we are looking at adjacent turns for capacitance. After we wind 1 turn of 4, the no. 1 strand is now going to be adjacent to 4 of the previous turn.  Thus the correction.  ;]

Im  "kinda" seeing no matter how many Different strands that are series connected in multifilar, that the total capacitance will possibly be the same in total. And the inductance should stay the same, for the same total length of wire on the coil as a whole. But I thought again. ;]

First we wind 2 of 100ft, 200ft of wire total.  10v in gives 5v division between turns. Lets call the capacitance 10uf, just for example.

Next we wind 4 of 50ft, still 200 ft total on the coil.  10v in gives 2.5v division between adjacent turns.
The capacitance between adjacent turns will be less than the 2 strand as each strand is half the length of the 2 strand coil, giving half of the capacitive plate surface area between adjacent turns.

Here is the capacitor plate area calculator..
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Plate-Capacitor-Calculator.phtml

With 2 strands we have 10uf.  But with 4, each of the 4 adjacent turn capacitance's are 5uf.

Now the question is, does the 4 strand coil, using the same mass of copper, and the same total length of wire as the 2 strand, have a total of 5uf of capacitance, or is it different?

If it is just 5uf for the 4 turn, vs 10uf for the 2 turn, then I would consider the 2fi over the 4fi, because I believe we are looking for more capacitance than just a single strand coil here.  Would anyone say that we should go with the 4 strand hassle just to decrease or even have the same coil capacitance as compared to a 2 strand?

But, I dont know for sure if the 4strand coil is 5uf total in the coil as compared to 10uf on the 2 strand.  I dont know how to determine this. Because no matter which set of adjacent turns we measure for capacitance, it should read 5uf. Whether its 1 and 2, 2 and 3, 3 and 4, and 4 and 1.
I would venture to say that if we measured non adjacent turns, say 1 and 3, 2 and 4 will affect the outcome. it might read 2.5uf. OR it might be the same or higher than 5uf.  ;]

If it somehow is more than 10uf in the 4 strand total capacitance, then this is the magic we are looking for.  I hope Bruce could answer this question, due to as of late, he seems to be the authority thus far on many many adjacent series strand coils.

If for the same mass of copper, and total length of wire, we can increase the capacitance by increasing the no. separate series strands, all of which doesnt change the resistance and seemingly the inductance of the coil compared to the 2 strand, then this is a very sweet situation for us.

I hope Im not making any mistakes here. Ive gone over it and it seems correct. We just need to try these things and see..And I am questioning the amount of capacitance difference as the strands increase per coil.

But hopefully in testing, if we see acceleration at lower freq with more separate strands in series as a multifilar coil, then I have to conclude that the more separate strands increases capacitance.  ;]

Ok, back to my lil bench.  ;]

Mags

Magluvin:
Earlier I was not seeing all the litz strands in series. The leads off of the coils dont look that small. Also, I wasnt seeing those possible solder joints on the sides of the coils as single strand either. They look a bit chunky for that.

But then was thinking of what possible tuning could have taken soo much time as Romero claimed?  Then I thought, hmm, if its 7fi, would I just find the ends and series them all for 7fi and install the coils to the motor?  Well, if we do, how do we know that each successive wire is running adjacent to the next in series connection?  Follow me here...

If we just chose at random which ones to connect to the next, there is a possibility that each coil may have a different value of capacitance than the others. Maybe some close by chance.

Sooo maybe the tuning that took soo long to get right, was measuring capacitance between strands to find which ones in series are adjacent to the next in the series.
This makes a lot of sense. And, having all 7 twisted throughout, there just may be an increase in capacitance due to all in very close proximity to each other, and consistent. ;]  Lonny like. ;]

If we didnt tune this way, say our first strand in the series was randomly connected to another strand. That second strand in the series could very well be 2 strands thickness away from the first in the twisted liz, all the way through the total winding. Then maybe when you get to doing your other coils, maybe one has all adjacent in proper order for the most capacitance to be had, and another one a little off from either of the other 2 coils..  This in my honest opinion, would make the capacitance of some coils way off of perfect with the rest.  Now some wont work as good as others at the same rpm(freq) of the rotor.

I thought of the posibility of just looking at the litz bundle of 7 and picking them out, which one is the next adjacent strand, but if you made a mistake,  more work to do on that mistake than to get it right the first time. ;]

All of this here is just if there is a possibility of if Romero used 7fi. I lean toward 7fi after watching Thanes vid.  ;]

Anyways, if there were to be a LOT of tuning, this is one very good possibility, dont ya think?   ;]

What other real "tuning" could there possibly be that would be soo "critical"?  I dont really see anything else that could throw things that far off balance. Does anyone?  ;]

Mags

Magluvin:

--- Quote from: Magluvin on July 02, 2011, 03:36:25 AM ---

When I described the 4, (never having made one , just 2 so far) I neglected to count the 1 and 4 capacitance. So it should be as follows.  2.5v for wires 1 and 2, 2.5 for 2 and 3, 2.5v for 3 and 4, AND 2.5v for 4 and 1.  ;]

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Well I just have to wind one of these and test. Have to!

In my quote above, these numbers might not be right.

And these are a correction of the previous numbers.  ::)

What got me here, was the thought of the voltage across 1 and 4.  Its the input! 10v if measured at the right ends.
Even if measured at 1 wrong end, we should be at 7.5v. 7.5v in the capacity of those 2 adjacent turns!!!!!!!
And if measured at the far ends of 1 and 4, just to provide the most amount of resistance(or impeadance ;] ), I see 5v in the 1 and 4 capacitance.  Not 2.5v. This is good!

Now, I need to know. I need to know what voltage is in those other capacitance, 1 and 2, 2 and 3, 3 and 4. Im believing that we can assume voltage division just as it does in the Tesla 2fi.  ;]

So I still see more than 2.5 in the 1 and 2 pair and the 3 and 4 pair. Could they be less than 2.5v as previously thought? We have to have at the minimum 5v on the 1 and 4. Has to be. minimum. And its stored in 1 and 4 capacitance all the way through the coil. Max 10v depending on where its measured on that run.

So could it be that when we multifi, more than 2fi, that there is an appearance of more capacitive stored voltage within the coil than is input? Is that it Bruce? Tesla claimed a much greater amount of enegy is stored in a bifi that a standard inductor. So what from more that 2fi?

Ok, Im getting tired. I better quit while im still... where ever.  ;]

But if any of you get what im saying, then these are ideas to try for. Fresh.

Mags

baroutologos:

--- Quote ---I see how confused you are, so please let me explain that for you!

I guess (!),what Romero doing is quite simple. He managed to tune his device to the ambient (very) special frequency which was available at his location...

Chef

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I am starting to believe this same thing. In the past Romero declared OU achievement from other setups too (namely Kapanadze like, batteries with air coils, pulsing toroids with appropriate circuits etc) (see romero forum page 8 dialog that i have uploaded some time ago)

We have also discussed in private and i asked for strict guidance how to achieve that. He did not redus to provide help. On the contrary he gave me some times step by step help.

But, the result at my side was always underunity in those setups. I told him also, that perhaps in his area exist underground or in air waves that affect his devices and thus he can extract free energy.

He has not -as far i remember-  eliminated this possibility.