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Dave45

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3825 on: June 30, 2011, 03:41:51 AM »
cool video ,  so if the high voltage coil (regenerative coil) stores energy inside couldnt we wrap the coil with Mylar in between the windings and increase its capacitance

is this what Lasersabre did with his coils

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3826 on: June 30, 2011, 03:46:37 AM »
Hello ALL,

I have just this evening, returned from my journey.  I had the privilege of visiting Coral Castle, and speaking with someone who knew Ed.  I have a myriad of photos and some interesting new "items" to put out there, but will do that in another thread, within the next few days!  Also working on my TPU!

Let's talk "strands"....(litz)  Funny, how I mentioned this over 200 pages ago (and in the last few pages of my thread) and it has come up again. 

Penno and all, how many turns did Romero say he had on his bobbin?  Over 300 turns.  Everyone's comment was, "he is mistaken, that many turns can't fit!"  Wrong!  As I explained in my thread, before Romero ever had his device working, as I explored the statement's of Steven Mark, about parallel wires, you can take litz wires and wire them in series or parallel.  The "potential" (total wattage) will not change, but wired in series you end up with MUCH HIGHER VOLTAGE.  And I think a few of you were wondering "how" Romero achieved this.

In the experiments presented by Slider (yes, I have been reading while on my journeys...) and spoken of by Penno, what they are calling a "bifilar" wound, is what I call "series" wound.  Some are in parallel but some are in series.  Let's assume that your 7 strands gives you just over 100 turns on your bobbin.  Now, let's say you connect the wires, 123 ends to start of 4567, you now have 200 turns and have doubled your inductance (air core, then adding inductance of ferrite core)but raised your resistance.  Inductance trumps resistance for wanting higher voltage.  Now, let's go with Romero's winding, of say 300 turns, then to achieve that, please do the following, and you too will end up with MUCH higher voltage (lower current.  Current causes LENZ, NOT voltage).

Wires are (a) for start and (b) for end...  Take wires 1a and 2a, and connect together.  This will go to your FWBR.  Take 1b and 2b and connect to 3a and 4a.  Connect all four together.  Next take 3b and 4b and connect to 5a, 6a, 7a.  Connect all 5 wire ends together.  Next take wires 5b, 6b, 7b and connect to other side of FWBR.  Now you have 300 turns and MUCH higher voltage!   ;)

Hope that helps ya'll.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3827 on: June 30, 2011, 04:04:25 AM »
Hello ALL,

I have just this evening, returned from my journey.  I had the privilege of visiting Coral Castle, and speaking with someone who knew Ed.  I have a myriad of photos and some interesting new "items" to put out there, but will do that in another thread, within the next few days!  Also working on my TPU!

Let's talk "strands"....(litz)  Funny, how I mentioned this over 200 pages ago (and in the last few pages of my thread) and it has come up again. 

Penno and all, how many turns did Romero say he had on his bobbin?  Over 300 turns.  Everyone's comment was, "he is mistaken, that many turns can't fit!"  Wrong!  As I explained in my thread, before Romero ever had his device working, as I explored the statement's of Steven Mark, about parallel wires, you can take litz wires and wire them in series or parallel.  The "potential" (total wattage) will not change, but wired in series you end up with MUCH HIGHER VOLTAGE.  And I think a few of you were wondering "how" Romero achieved this.

In the experiments presented by Slider (yes, I have been reading while on my journeys...) and spoken of by Penno, what they are calling a "bifilar" wound, is what I call "series" wound.  Some are in parallel but some are in series.  Let's assume that your 7 strands gives you just over 100 turns on your bobbin.  Now, let's say you connect the wires, 123 ends to start of 4567, you now have 200 turns and have doubled your inductance (air core, then adding inductance of ferrite core)but raised your resistance.  Inductance trumps resistance for wanting higher voltage.  Now, let's go with Romero's winding, of say 300 turns, then to achieve that, please do the following, and you too will end up with MUCH higher voltage (lower current.  Current causes LENZ, NOT voltage).

Wires are (a) for start and (b) for end...  Take wires 1a and 2a, and connect together.  This will go to your FWBR.  Take 1b and 2b and connect to 3a and 4a.  Connect all four together.  Next take 3b and 4b and connect to 5a, 6a, 7a.  Connect all 5 wire ends together.  Next take wires 5b, 6b, 7b and connect to other side of FWBR.  Now you have 300 turns and MUCH higher voltage!   ;)

Hope that helps ya'll.

Cheers,

Bruce

But no mention of increased capacitance?  Romero said we needed to increase the capacitance. He stated that we could just use regular coils and add a cap.  But he also stated that we could get it by having the coil in a different configuration. ;]  bifi. I stated that and he confirmed it. If anyone should know, its Romero. He had the working model.

here is my post on the 14th

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.msg290900#msg290900

And here is Romeros post just after mine

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.msg290925#msg290925

So why is the capacitance not important Bruce?  I think its key.  So says Romero.

Mags

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3828 on: June 30, 2011, 04:29:41 AM »
Hello ALL,

I have just this evening, returned from my journey.  I had the privilege of visiting Coral Castle, and speaking with someone who knew Ed.  I have a myriad of photos and some interesting new "items" to put out there, but will do that in another thread, within the next few days!  Also working on my TPU!

Let's talk "strands"....(litz)  Funny, how I mentioned this over 200 pages ago (and in the last few pages of my thread) and it has come up again. 

Penno and all, how many turns did Romero say he had on his bobbin?  Over 300 turns.  Everyone's comment was, "he is mistaken, that many turns can't fit!"  Wrong!  As I explained in my thread, before Romero ever had his device working, as I explored the statement's of Steven Mark, about parallel wires, you can take litz wires and wire them in series or parallel.  The "potential" (total wattage) will not change, but wired in series you end up with MUCH HIGHER VOLTAGE.  And I think a few of you were wondering "how" Romero achieved this.

In the experiments presented by Slider (yes, I have been reading while on my journeys...) and spoken of by Penno, what they are calling a "bifilar" wound, is what I call "series" wound.  Some are in parallel but some are in series.  Let's assume that your 7 strands gives you just over 100 turns on your bobbin.  Now, let's say you connect the wires, 123 ends to start of 4567, you now have 200 turns and have doubled your inductance (air core, then adding inductance of ferrite core)but raised your resistance.  Inductance trumps resistance for wanting higher voltage.  Now, let's go with Romero's winding, of say 300 turns, then to achieve that, please do the following, and you too will end up with MUCH higher voltage (lower current.  Current causes LENZ, NOT voltage).

Wires are (a) for start and (b) for end...  Take wires 1a and 2a, and connect together.  This will go to your FWBR.  Take 1b and 2b and connect to 3a and 4a.  Connect all four together.  Next take 3b and 4b and connect to 5a, 6a, 7a.  Connect all 5 wire ends together.  Next take wires 5b, 6b, 7b and connect to other side of FWBR.  Now you have 300 turns and MUCH higher voltage!   ;)

Hope that helps ya'll.

Cheers,

Bruce

Funny that is exactly what I was thinking after watching the video tanakat just posted here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1weXYivARo  from ThaneCHines and his talk about Lenz and voltage and current all lead me to the conclusion that what you just said Bruce is very important.  I do know it's been discussed before and some have been leaning this direction in the last couple days since Slider shared his demo but I think it just really sunk into my own head after seeing Thane explain things about Lenz in that video.  I think this is definitely an IMPORTANT part of getting this to OU.   

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3829 on: June 30, 2011, 04:43:33 AM »
Mags,  R didn't use caps on his looped setup did he?  Other than the big one on the output.  So wasn't he saying this is just another way to get the effect or maybe enhance it?  I think it may be just yet another way to get around the problem of Lenz.  Litz or Lenz - what's it gonna' be?  You can't have both - hehe     

Just had to say that that way so now maybe I'll remember it  :)

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3830 on: June 30, 2011, 04:52:26 AM »
hmm  I just posted this.  here it is again.....   ;]

Read it again, if you havnt already and tell me what you think.  ;]

here is my post on the 14th

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.msg290923#msg290923

And here is Romeros post just after mine

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.msg290925#msg290925

mags


edited to correct link.  I must have copied the wrong link from the quote in my post.  sorry   ;]

Magluvin

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3831 on: June 30, 2011, 05:01:27 AM »
Sorry  one of my links on the previous post was not correct.

here is a repost.

here is my post on the 14th

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.msg290923#msg290923

And here is Romeros post just after mine

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11009.msg290925#msg290925

I must have copied the quote link within my post.  Sorry  ;]
Mags

   edit     I corrected my previous post also

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3832 on: June 30, 2011, 05:35:31 AM »
Not trying to get off topic here but the Thains video bring up some interesting concepts as far as capacitance of a coil,

In Lasersaber's video of the Stublefield coil I think everyone thought that there was a galvanic reaction going on but since the copper is coated with insulation I don't think that's probable, I think that the cotton and water is increasing the capacitance using the water as a dielectric

Using a noncorrosive dielectric this configuration could be utilized to make a very high capacitance coil, with of course the trifilar windings.

e2matrix

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3833 on: June 30, 2011, 05:44:51 AM »
Another excellent video to watch titled "Old Energy Paradigm vs New Energy Paradigm" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3gVfltiO-E&feature=related

Thane has definitely taken this concept of speeding up a generator when it is under load and clearly shows it here as well as an explanation of how this is beating Lenz to a bloody pulp :D

In his diagrams showing conventional versus the Lenz beater you can see the only difference appears to be more turns in the Lenz defeating setup which he calls 'regenerative acceleration'.  I think his explanation may involve a bit more but I'm sure this supports the direction we are going with winding the coils bifilar or as Bruce_TPU mentioned to get higher voltage and lower current.  I'd say this is why Romerouk wired the 7 pairs all in parallel so as to get the current back up while keeping the same higher voltage obtained with the special Litz wiring mentioned recently here.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3834 on: June 30, 2011, 06:07:15 AM »
New Thane's video / demonstration :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1weXYivARo

I did like what he had to say in the vid.  Is this the same as what Bruce is saying?

I really have to watch the vid again. I dont recall multifilar being said in the vid, just large inductance(high voltage coil).

Could it be he is using bifi and just calling it a high voltage coil? Thane speaks of the capacitance in the coil, but not really how it is wired.

I know the theory of why a bifi has more capacitance compared to a normally wound coil.

Anyways, this is interesting as I had posted before that maybe we could just get the rotor going on just gen coils themselves, incase nobody paid attn.  ;]

Think, no lenz in approach of the mag, and a push away on the exit.  This is what Thane says in the vid.

ok, in the post a few pages ago where I had made a miscalculation on what the resistance of the coil would be with all the 7 strands in series. I re-figured and I get 98ohms. Thane quoted a 90ohm coil in the vid. Could it be? or a coinkidink?   ;]   

Man, I hope this plot gets thinner before it gets any thicker.  ;]   

Hmm 98 ohms.  Seems like a high number to get the power we are looking for at near 12v, er 18v, what ever,

But lets say 18v/98ohm=.184Amps  x 18v = 3.3watts  ?
Thats perdy good along with no lenz and a forward push on the rotor to go with it.  But seems far from lighting a 20w bulb plus motor drive coils. Seems I say, seems.  ;]

Now this is just going by the resistance of the wire. But Bruce has his theory which may be correct.

Maybe its just not a SAFE idea to speak of the increased capacitance involved or the word bifilar.  =0   ;]

lets see if its safe,  BIFI  Hey BIFIIIIee.  bifi trifi  fifi  tribi         BIIIFIIII!    bifi      lol 

Got a lil bit of work on the tests tonight, and should be somewhere hopefully good tomorrow.   Im beat.

Mags

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3835 on: June 30, 2011, 06:16:21 AM »
Hifi?  lol   hey Bruce, what is your coil, fityfi?   lol

I got my self laughing after my last post with this, and I had to post it, no harm intended, just chuckles.  ;]

Magfi

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3836 on: June 30, 2011, 06:24:07 AM »
Mags,  LOL  you need some sleep :)   I may too but I think if you got one coil set that's getting 3.3 watts then seven coil sets will get you 23.1 watts.  Right?  Like I was saying wiring all seven coils sets in parallel will give same voltage but will bring the current back up as in x 7.

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3837 on: June 30, 2011, 06:32:40 AM »
cool video ,  so if the high voltage coil (regenerative coil) stores energy inside couldnt we wrap the coil with Mylar in between the windings and increase its capacitance

is this what Lasersabre did with his coils

I'm not sure if that's what Lasersaber did but I think konehead mentioned using Teflon tape between each row of windings although I don't know if it was his intention to increase capacitance.  I think he was doing it to protect the lower grade Litz (with less enamel on the wire) from shorting out to adjacent windings. 

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3838 on: June 30, 2011, 06:39:21 AM »
Gary:
I was saying to adust te airgap between the upper and lower coils and the rotor magnets to be "offset' such as for example 4mm at top and 1mm at bottom, and then see if you can delay the current compared to votlage so that you can hit the max voltage/miminum current resonate thing by hainve the coil sin paralell or series...
Baroutotlogas:
I got the DRIVE coil to have half the draw with magnet on back of it at least.
Jason O:
yes like Gary said drill out the plastic on back of coil and slip magnet in there. The drive coil should  run with less draw so that is good.
Hope you can get something to happen with the series cancelling experiments if that works we are home free...

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Re: Muller Dynamo
« Reply #3839 on: June 30, 2011, 06:44:11 AM »
Mags,  LOL  you need some sleep :)   I may too but I think if you got one coil set that's getting 3.3 watts then seven coil sets will get you 23.1 watts.  Right?  Like I was saying wiring all seven coils sets in parallel will give same voltage but will bring the current back up as in x 7.

Hey E

I thought about that, but was thinking if it is just one set at a time, that is 3.3 over a period of time, not all together. And with a 20w bulb sucking away continuously, I dunno.  But, I wont dismiss some magic here that calculations dont fit.  I really hope so.  ;]

Ya know, I dont know if you remember Zeropoint321, with the self running no bearing bedini style motor, but it was bifi and his vids with the schematics got shut down, Actually the told him not asked to take them down. but he could still post vids without the shematic.  It was a 4000 turn bifi, reed, 2 diodes, led and a 10uf cap. Spin it and it went. he still has the vid without the schematic up I believe.

later on, we talked for some time, he did some experiments on multifilar coils. he showed a comparison from 2 strands, 3 strands and 4.  The more he had, the further a magnet was pushed away from the coil, all ran from the same source.  he was building a motor gen sorta like what we see here. But then I didnt hear from him for a while.

I had just talked to him recently and he said he had a mild stoke.  Sucks. He is a good guy. Hopefully no one did that TO him because of what he was showing.  =[

Ok  i gottttta git. catch ya tomorrow.

Magfi