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Offline nwman

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2008, 06:20:41 PM »
infnite smot works. no ramps needed
I posted this picture long time ago
I haven't build it cause it obviously works.
Who doesn't see it as over 100% working should change forum
immediately.
many experiments like this confirms it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw&feature=related
infinite smot is based on rail or gauss gun.
whiz


Yes - but - the purpose of this site is to extract energy. Your design needs some sort of
output shaft. Could the balls be magnets, and pass through coils which generate electricity?
If the consequent Lenz Law resistance is reasonable, it would not come to a halt.
Paul.


I'm not sure but isn't the steel ball hitting a none magnetic glass ball and launching it? I think whiz idea only uses all steel balls? I may be wrong but this would create a different result. Do any of you have a link to a video that shows a smot with a steel ball trapped at the sticky spot and another steel ball travel through the smot and launch the trapped ball? If this can be done then we might have something. Otherwise I feel the balls will just get trapped.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2008, 12:42:43 AM »
infnite smot works. no ramps needed
I posted this picture long time ago
I haven't build it cause it obviously works.
Who doesn't see it as over 100% working should change forum
immediately.
many experiments like this confirms it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw&feature=related
infinite smot is based on rail or gauss gun.
whiz
Yes - but - the purpose of this site is to extract energy. Your design needs some sort of
output shaft. Could the balls be magnets, and pass through coils which generate electricity?
If the consequent Lenz Law resistance is reasonable, it would not come to a halt.
Paul.

The poster was joking.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2008, 04:08:28 PM »
infnite smot works. no ramps needed
I posted this picture long time ago
I haven't build it cause it obviously works.
Who doesn't see it as over 100% working should change forum
immediately.
many experiments like this confirms it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw&feature=related
infinite smot is based on rail or gauss gun.
whiz
Yes - but - the purpose of this site is to extract energy. Your design needs some sort of
output shaft. Could the balls be magnets, and pass through coils which generate electricity?
If the consequent Lenz Law resistance is reasonable, it would not come to a halt.
Paul.

The poster was joking.
No, I wasn't. As the steel balls pass the bar magnets, they become
magnetised. If a coil  is wound around the track and bar magnets,
then the recently magnetised balls will generate a current in this
coil. This will tend to slow the ball,(by Lenz Law) but if this ball
has enough energy from the SMOTs, then it will keep on trucking.

The joy is that the output load on the coil(s) can be adjusted to
adjust the breaking effect experienced by the steel balls.
Paul.

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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2008, 06:05:57 PM »
No, I wasn't. As the steel balls pass the bar magnets, they become
magnetised. If a coil  is wound around the track and bar magnets,
then the recently magnetised balls will generate a current in this
coil. This will tend to slow the ball,(by Lenz Law) but if this ball
has enough energy from the SMOTs, then it will keep on trucking.

The joy is that the output load on the coil(s) can be adjusted to
adjust the breaking effect experienced by the steel balls.
Paul.

Sorry I was unclear, I mean wizycho:  "I haven't built it cause it obviously works."  That's the best line of all.

Offline nwman

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2008, 06:11:46 PM »
Paul,
     Did you miss my comments? The system in the videos has no chance of cycling back to its original position. Even if you were to create the loop previously shown in this thread.

 If your referring to the display of when he lets the steel ball bearing go free on the ramp and it launches the other ball free well this is misleading if you think the "launched" ball is also steel. Its a glass marble. It has no forces holding it in place besides gravity. If it was steel and propelled the same way then yes your idea would work.

Tim

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2008, 10:53:29 PM »
Paul,
     Did you miss my comments? The system in the videos has no chance of cycling back to its original position.
Tim
There is a confusion here. I cannot see most videos because of my
crude computer equipment.

I was commenting on  Wizkicho2's picture of the oval "race track"
on page 5. I think that this proposal has something interesting in it.
Paul.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2008, 11:29:42 PM »
@Paul r

I'm a little confused Paul, a magnetised steel ball is still a magnet, to pass it over other magnets in a smot will do one of two things, stick because your polarity is opposite, or repell meaning you have a magnetic wall on your smot track the ball cannot get past, unless of course the speed from gravity is so great it does a little jump in the air :)

before any of you go along this line of thought, get your desk fan and tape a bar magnet to the end of one of the blades, now build a little wooden frame to hold another bar magnet that is missed by 2mm when the magnet on the blade passes, (or tape it to a stack of books) just make sure the magnet is past the end of the blade and they will just miss each other. North facing north.

now take the blade with magnet to the top and let it go, it will not go past the magnet at the bottom, because repelling creates a wall and the blade will bounce back. the magnetised ball theory will never work, it can't, even if the weight or power ratio is altered it will still have to cut the field and will slow the ball or fan.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2008, 03:59:37 PM »
@Paul r
I'm a little confused Paul, a magnetised steel ball is still a magnet, to pass it over other magnets in a smot will do one of two things, stick because your polarity is opposite, or repell meaning you have a magnetic wall on your smot track the ball cannot get past
The SMOT prinicple is well accepted. You will remember this:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm
I think the ball will run in its runner, be attracted to the slightly
sloping bar magnets, and be accelerated past them. I think the
track should be circular rather than rectangular.

BUT - this time, wind a coil around the bar magnet, the track etc
and as the ball is accelerated through, it will induce a voltage in
the coil because the bar magnet has temporarily magnetised the
steel ball.
Paul.
 

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2008, 05:37:57 PM »
Paul, how do you propose to get the ball back up to its original starting point? That's kind of a big gap in your theory.

Tim

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2008, 05:46:11 PM »
Paul, how do you propose to get the ball back up to its original starting point? That's kind of a big gap in your theory.
Tim
There's no "up". It would be a flat, horizontal, circle. The SMOT
principle drives the ball, and the gain, the benefit, is the voltage
coming out of the coil that I proposed. I am going to have a go at
this over the weekend.
 
*** Don't forget I am not talking about the video - rather the oval
track drawing on page 5.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2008, 06:29:52 PM »
Paul, how do you propose to get the ball back up to its original starting point? That's kind of a big gap in your theory.
Tim
There's no "up". It would be a flat, horizontal, circle. The SMOT
principle drives the ball, and the gain, the benefit, is the voltage
coming out of the coil that I proposed. I am going to have a go at
this over the weekend.
 
*** Don't forget I am not talking about the video - rather the oval
track drawing on page 5.

You may skip the coils as well at this stage.
Just build the main setup and check that the ball stops pretty fast...
The device DOES NOT self sustain!

Sorry for the bad news,
Tinu

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2008, 03:01:47 AM »
@paul
The SMOT principle is well accepted.

Not by all of us, certainly not that theory anyway.

Theory that cannot be built, like travel at light speed squared, is acceptable as not able to be proven, however when you are talking a few hundred dollars tops in materials, then the person who first proposed the theory should have been able to build his own machine, if not it is without question a DUD !!

Do you seriously believe that someone could perfect a theory and then not spend 200 dollars to save the world, if for nothing more than to be the most famous person to have ever lived, I'll say that again "Ever Lived" not modern times or last hundred years??????

For a start, all this winding of coils around tracks and bar magnets is rubbish, if the ball is magnetized you need to have 2 balls both of opposing polarity to induce a current in coils.

For those of you who want the worlds coolest home toy, I am attaching the specs for the tap generator, made from a bottle, magnets and a coil array you can make at home, any school child can build it, and you can get power every time you turn on your tap, free hydro.

The reason I am attaching this, is that it is a very good example of magnetic coil induction for power, and you will note the opposing pole magnetic array, which will help the thread users understand basic induction.

I stand by the principle of gravity Smot using electromagnets as the only likely winner, as the gravity is already free energy.

I prefer the drop and paddle turbine myself for simplicity, by if you insist on using coils, then that?s easy, use a small wheeled car array on your track, then you "can" have alternating pole magnetic array facing your coils simply have alternating poles facing the side of the car with a slight gap between them :) try it straight track first and then to remove cornering friction as would come from normal wheels, change to ball bearing wheels for the car/carriage. Simple, not complicated.

For those who believe the magnetic ball theory, simple, tape one pole of the bar magnet straight to one side of the bloody ball and wave it in front of your coil???? That?s right, nothing!! For induction to coil from magnetic movement you need alternation. No wonder the government hasn?t shut down the site (put your web provider down.). They?ve got nothing to worry about here. Magnetic balls, puhleease.


nb, for some reason the template to help you do the magnet layout is not in this pdf you can get it from the site on the doc.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2008, 06:16:07 AM »
Paul,
     So if I'm correct in assuming the below image is what you are thinking will work? I'm also assuming the balls are just steel ball bearings? I don't think when B3 reaching B1 it will push B1 free from its position. I haven't seen any video of such a actions taking place. Do you have one? It will probably just get stuck with B1 and the process will come to a stop.

Tim

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« Reply #88 on: January 19, 2008, 04:20:40 PM »
Paul,
     So if I'm correct in assuming the below image is what you are thinking will work? I'm also assuming the balls are just steel ball bearings? I don't think when B3 reaching B1 it will push B1 free from its position. I haven't seen any video of such a actions taking place. Do you have one? It will probably just get stuck with B1 and the process will come to a stop.
Tim
The traditional method has a bar magnet on BOTH sides of
the track, although only one two magnet system is necessary.

This will accelerate a steel ball through. It is closely related to the
Calloway V gate, the Clarke Gate and various tri-gate designs.
In the straighforward SMOT ramp design, the ball will gain a
small amount of height, maybe 1", with ease. I suggest using
this gained energy in kinetic from, i.e. not designing for height
gain, but speed gain, and then slow it down by having the ball,
magnetised temporarily by its proximity to the bar magnet(s),
inducing a current in a coil surrounding the track.

There may be an issue concerning the fact that the TWO bar
magnets either side present different poles to the ball.
Paul-R

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2008, 07:58:21 PM »
Paul,
    I think your over looking a very large factor if the design still. Let me comment;

The traditional method has a bar magnet on BOTH sides of
the track, although only one two magnet system is necessary.
This will accelerate a steel ball through. It is closely related to the
Calloway V gate, the Clarke Gate and various tri-gate designs

I agree the it will accelerate through but does the ball not get stuck at the end?

In the straighforward SMOT ramp design, the ball will gain a
small amount of height, maybe 1", with ease. I suggest using
this gained energy in kinetic from, i.e. not designing for height
gain, but speed gain,

I under stand this to however what are you thinking will happen? So if you enter the first ball into the system it will be pulling to one end; I agree. Then you  inter the second ball into the system and it will as well be pulled to the other end; again I agree. Now this is where I think we have differing ideas. What do you think will happen when the second ball approaches the first ball that's already stuck at the end?


A: Do you think the second ball with knock the first ball free of the magnetic field thus allowing it to travail onto the next smot.
B: The second ball will hit the first ball but it to will be stuck and not launch the first ball free thus both come to a stop. - This is what I think will happen.
C: Some other action.

If your answer is A then what proof do you have that this will happen? Videos? I have yet to see any video of this happening.


and then slow it down by having the ball,
magnetised temporarily by its proximity to the bar magnet(s),
inducing a current in a coil surrounding the track.

I really wouldn't worry about pulling power off of it yet. Your first goal should be just to make it continuously run. 

There may be an issue concerning the fact that the TWO bar
magnets either side present different poles to the ball.

I think this is a non issue.


Tim

 

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