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Author Topic: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?  (Read 29806 times)

Offline hoptoad

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2008, 07:49:43 AM »
@hoptoad,

You've remained with the wrong impression that to prove CoE one needs to build a self-sustaining contraption. That isn't so. Therefore, your desire to see such contraption has nothing to do with what science puts forth as a requirement for a rigorous proof. Also, whatever seems to you extraordinary or non-extraordinary will always remain your own perception. Science doesn't divide claims into such categories and the criteria in science to prove the validity of a claim are uniform throughout.
@Omnibus
O'K, then lets see some ordinary proof. And what would be better than a working model? After all, theory is fine, but pretty useless if it cannot be applied in a practical manner to benefit humanity in a practical way.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2008, 07:56:24 AM »
@hoptoad,

You've remained with the wrong impression that to prove CoE one needs to build a self-sustaining contraption. That isn't so. Therefore, your desire to see such contraption has nothing to do with what science puts forth as a requirement for a rigorous proof. Also, whatever seems to you extraordinary or non-extraordinary will always remain your own perception. Science doesn't divide claims into such categories and the criteria in science to prove the validity of a claim are uniform throughout.
@Omnibus
O'K, then lets see some ordinary proof. And what would be better than a working model? After all, theory is fine, but pretty useless if it cannot be applied in a practical manner to benefit humanity in a practical way.
This is a misunderstanding of what theory is.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2008, 08:02:27 AM »
This is a misunderstanding of what theory is.
@Omnibus
No it is not a misunderstanding of what theory is. It is my own subjective opinion on the worth of a theory. And each and all of us have there own subjective opinion on virtually any subject.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2008, 08:13:26 AM »
Children, children..... please! No more talk. Start testing. It should be simple enough to rebuild the experiment in the videos but with a longer pre-smot rail. Would the results not settle this dispute? Numbers can be argued for eternity but a physical test is "fairly" conclusive. If I had the time and the materials to build it I would but I don't so hopefully someone reading this does.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2008, 08:28:54 AM »
Children, children..... please! No more talk. Start testing. It should be simple enough to rebuild the experiment in the videos but with a longer pre-smot rail. Would the results not settle this dispute? Numbers can be argued for eternity but a physical test is "fairly" conclusive. If I had the time and the materials to build it I would but I don't so hopefully someone reading this does.

Tim
Physical test has already been carried out conclusively and the analysis of that test proves beyond doubt violation of CoE.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2008, 08:29:47 AM »
This is a misunderstanding of what theory is.
@Omnibus
No it is not a misunderstanding of what theory is. It is my own subjective opinion on the worth of a theory. And each and all of us have there own subjective opinion on virtually any subject.
Your subjective opinion is of no consequence in a discourse such as this one.

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« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2008, 11:08:46 AM »
Your subjective opinion is of no consequence in a discourse such as this one.
@Omnibus
With the lack of any objective or verifiable proof of your theory, other than your own uncorroborated statement of "Physical test has already been carried out conclusively and the analysis of that test proves beyond doubt violation of CoE." your entire contribution in this thread and many others can only be considered as an exercise in evasive semantics on your behalf. An exercise in which you constantly dodge direct questions or suggestions which may imply a non acceptance or possible disproof of your theory. But having read many of your posts in many threads, I know I should not expect otherwise, as your stance on most occasions is one typified by the great majority of politicians.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2008, 03:57:06 PM »
Your subjective opinion is of no consequence in a discourse such as this one.
@Omnibus
With the lack of any objective or verifiable proof of your theory, other than your own uncorroborated statement of "Physical test has already been carried out conclusively and the analysis of that test proves beyond doubt violation of CoE." your entire contribution in this thread and many others can only be considered as an exercise in evasive semantics on your behalf. An exercise in which you constantly dodge direct questions or suggestions which may imply a non acceptance or possible disproof of your theory. But having read many of your posts in many threads, I know I should not expect otherwise, as your stance on most occasions is one typified by the great majority of politicians.
Like I said, the fact that you don't understand something is inconsequential in a discurse such as this one.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2008, 04:25:02 PM »
infnite smot works. no ramps needed
I posted this picture long time ago

I haven't build it cause it obviously works.
Who doesn't see it as over 100% working should change forum
immidiately.

many experiments like this confirms it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw&feature=related

infinite smot is based on rail or gauss gun.


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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2008, 04:39:06 PM »
I suggest to Harti and others creating forums to make even step foreward
and to delete any message that claims that
- SMOT as such (not bad prototyping) is NOT workable device and annihilates COE to the ground.
- Magnets can NOT be source of free energy and item for building OU devices

People who are claiming that "SMOT is NOT" repeatedly should be banned from this forum.
cause they wasting MB and GB of space and bandwith of internet...

Whiz

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2008, 07:58:39 PM »
infnite smot works. no ramps needed
I posted this picture long time ago

I haven't build it cause it obviously works.
Who doesn't see it as over 100% working should change forum
immidiately.

many experiments like this confirms it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw&feature=related

infinite smot is based on rail or gauss gun.


whiz
That experiment does not confirm overunity. This drawing you have there should be easy to build. So you might build one and show us the result?
Edit: B1 and B2 will not stay in those positions, but some distance before as the flux density is less at the ends than it is a little earlier. B3 must therfor have enough power to push B1 beyond that point. and the energy provided by the acceleration of B3 will not be enough to close the loop


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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2008, 12:01:58 AM »
I am a little lost on all the talk about cof E, conservation of Energy only applies to energy you produce or acquire and the math against losses to friction etc added to the transfer to your device.

over 30 percent of all electricity produced at the power station is lost before it reaches your home.
these are calculations relevent to normal production transfers of energy "created" which in itself is a silly term for a petrol generator if all energy already exists.

my point being is that cofE is not a usable part of your calculation, gravity is a primary part of your calculations (not counting the strange horizontal diagram).in simple terms

 EG:C is first object/device and  if A equals energy and A is transferred to B with no losses (mythical frictionless device) Then c equals zero A and B equals the amount originally in C. Correct?? not complicated, not difficult to understand.

if C equals gravity it cannot be lost, because any gain is free if you can manipulate the lift against it, you cannot conserve or lose something you cannot remove, albeit that this is the only power source or Energy type that this applies to, it does not apply in petrol generators, it does not apply in solar or any other form of power generation save hydroelectricity, where if the water was pumped up, this would be your manipulation of lift.

the only conservation of energy from momentum would be if it was entirely lateral or horizontal.

So whilst c of E does apply to your forward momentum, it cannot be calculated as being a source of energy you provided that dissapears or is used up, trying to calculate an angular fall or rise of a rolling ball using c of e is near impossible even at NASA.

take your car and your front wheels, have you ever seen, and i mean ever on any science program, even in digital bullsh1t form, a car seat that has a shock absorber system where the seat travels down toward the front wheels or the inertia point?? why not, it's very simple math isn't it? very simple mechanics according to this thread?? we wouldn't even need seat belts, we simply have a braking system that could stop the car (less skid) at the exact point the brakes are touched, instant stop vehicle. it hasn't been tried not because of lack of mechanics, but because the calculations for c of e on an angular rise or fall are near impossible to calculate even at a fixed speed and set weight.

no tyre compnay in the world ever used this to develop a tyre, they used polymer compound and wall structure and tested it. because the anomalies are too great, as are each of your friction componenets.

Theory is for girls, men build. this is cheap toy stuff, do not give me time and money stories, this is cheap and simple for each of the designs proposed, for those with the mouths, show us at least you jpeg photos. if you are simply an unhelpful person to those trying to use the thread, you should leave.

My advice is simple, do not reply to negative posts, do not reply to theory that does not have a physical description to go with the math, and as this really is about the cheapest trial theory on this site, everyone who claims to be building should have a 2 week period from entry to the thread to post the pictures or be considered a bored housewife using an alias.

I am not a builder of these devices, although was happy to give the aerial placement a key to removing the magnetic hold problem. I just get a little tired of those who having nothing constructive to add to a reasonable attempt at PM. For the builders who have spent the time and effort may success be your.

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2008, 09:29:43 AM »
infnite smot works. no ramps needed
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I haven't build it cause it obviously works.
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whiz

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2008, 12:44:46 PM »
@ Mr. Entropy,

Many thanks. Point taken. My mistake.
(A little bit of excuse would sound like: ?no other maxima? instead of ?no other inflexion points? but it would still not solve the case).

Respectfully,
Tinu

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Re: SMOT TEST- can someone do this?
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2008, 04:25:00 PM »
infnite smot works. no ramps needed
I posted this picture long time ago
I haven't build it cause it obviously works.
Who doesn't see it as over 100% working should change forum
immediately.
many experiments like this confirms it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw&feature=related
infinite smot is based on rail or gauss gun.
whiz
Yes - but - the purpose of this site is to extract energy. Your design needs some sort of
output shaft. Could the balls be magnets, and pass through coils which generate electricity?
If the consequent Lenz Law resistance is reasonable, it would not come to a halt.
Paul.

 

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