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Author Topic: smot leverage gravity wheel  (Read 18444 times)

Offline FreeEnergy

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smot leverage gravity wheel
« on: December 26, 2007, 11:49:00 PM »
hi has anyone tried this idea?
i am using the smot principle but not like the way people have done it before. the smot here isn't picking up the weight of the ball but rolling it to the side horizontally. the smot is not strong enough to pick up the ball vertically only move it horizontally. the balls are being guided by an external ramps. when the top ball is moved it causes leverage then gravity takes place. then the ball is guided back.

in the drawing the smot is not being shown. but know  that the smot would start where the top center ball is.

i may need to edit this post later for better explanation. 

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smot leverage gravity wheel
« on: December 26, 2007, 11:49:00 PM »

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 03:23:49 AM »
also the balls are attached to the spokes of the wheel where it can move freely back and forth.






so what do you guys think?


here again is the principle of this wheel:

1. the smot. where it moves the ball horizontally, never picking up the whole weight of the ball. the magnet is not strong enough to pick up the ball vertically.
2. leverage. after the ball is moved by the smot it causes leverage.
3. the balls are being guided by ramps, one on top and one on the buttom.

hmmm i don't know how else to explaine it. if i could only draw a 3d animation it would be great. for now all i got is the attached picture.

please show me why this wheel will not work :) no hard feelings here. don't just tell me it won't work, show me why it won't work.

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 01:09:23 PM »
Here is an Idea I have had - (its an Idea only based on what others have built and thought about here on the overunity forums).

Its basically a smot which wraps around a rotating wheel.  The smot covers about 200 degrees of the wheel.  A steel ball inside this wheel causes unbalance when the rotating magnet grabs hold of it at about position of 7.30 O'Clock. Then a stop shown in orange (at 6 O'Clock position) halts the ballbearing from moving further, but with correct positioning of the stop the rotating magnet will now be in the smots control.  This magnet may be attracting to the smot or repelling depending on which one is in position.  My wishfull thinking and imagination claims the procedure runs (Yes I must be loopy to post this) around to do the 7.30 O'Clock steel ballbearing grab again with the opposite magnet in attraction to the ballbearing.  This may help stop the ballbearing from become polarised too quickly?
Also note that gravity plays a large part in beating the smot entry point.

The smot range would be about 200 degrees - and needs to be kept tweakable.
The wheel and frame is made of non metallic material.
The ballbearing is metallic (Steel).
The rotating magnets would be small neos of somekind
The smot would be - (no idea - small neo's ?)
The stop would be non metallic and its position needs to be kept tweakable.
Distances between steel ball and neo (unknown) and needs to be kept tweakable.
Distances between neo and Smot (unknown) and needs to be kept tweakable.

This wheel would need to be manually started so a rotating magnet is in the 6.00 O'Clock and pushed into the smot.



Regards

Zoinky

p.s. I follow this Magnet motors section closely and hope Jack and Honk have something great!



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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 01:09:23 PM »
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Offline nwman

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 11:12:31 PM »
I have yet to see a conclusive experiment with a SMOT. So, I'm getting so frustrated with hearing about SMOTs that work I want to post a description of what I "think" would show that a SMOT works or not. Every video I see shows a person dropping a ball onto the beginning of a track. This is where I think the possible energy input may be. What would convince me is to see the ball sitting on flat level surface with nothing holding it so it can roll free with just the slightest force. Then instead of dropping the ball into the track push the SMOT to the ball. I have a feeling the ball will be pushed away as the SMOT nears it. If it pulls the ball in and possible lifts it and then releases it out the other side to roll free on the same level surface then I would be convinces they actually work. Does anyone else have input on that test idea?

Tim

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2007, 10:59:35 PM »
no one is showing me why it will not work, i guess that is a good sign.


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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
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Offline nwman

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 04:55:54 AM »
It looks a lot like the Chas Campbell idea in the gravity forum which they say doesn't work. Also my comment about having a SMOT that actually works. This is still in question in my mind without seeing the test I described.

Tim


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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 07:35:14 AM »
Hi@all,
theoretically it could work, but unless someone builds it, you can never know...
I tried once a wheel-setup with slipping weights and it did not work. Somehow the weel gets balanced after a few rotations, so I gave it up.
But this setup with a smot could work...you just need to build it :-)
Cheers!

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2007, 02:24:04 AM »
simple test on how the wheel uses the smot

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2007, 08:10:09 AM »
Well, I just did all the math on your idea with a few alterations to make it proportionate.

1) The distance the weight on the far right will travel from the top SMOT to the Bottom SMOT is only a fractional turn of the wheel. The amount the wheel rotates is not enough to position the weight on the left side to a point where it can travel horizontally. It will still be too low to enter the SMOT on a true horizontal plane. The right weight would have to rotate 45 degrees to lift the left side weight into position to enter the SMOT. So the inner diameter would then have to be (if the outer radius is 1m) .3827m. Then if you find the effective mass (torque) of the weights added up on the left side 2.4142Kg per .3827m (if each weight is 1Kg), or simplified to .9239Kgm. Then add up the amount of torque on the right side would give you (with one weight at 0 degrees horizontal) 1Kgm. Compare the two and you see that .9239 < 1 so the wheel would want to rotate clockwise with a very small amount of force.

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2007, 08:13:23 AM »
2) However if you rotate the wheel to the position it would pick up a weight and drop a weight you would have the below arrangement. The left side would equal 1.0007Kgm (due to rounding you get the .0007) and the right side would equal .9239Kgm. If you notice it?s a complete switch of the last graphic and it would want to rotate counter-clockwise.

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2007, 08:14:25 AM »
3) So in the middle of these two positions you would line up on that little red line as shown below. Again if you calculate it all out it would give you .9809 on the left and .9808 on the right, also known as balanced. The small variation is just rounding. So it doesn?t matter if you can move the ball left to right with a SMOT because the wheel is going to balance out. Now if you believe the SMOT is delivering energy to the system then that?s the source of energy and this design isn?t the best for harnessing that energy. I also am again not convinced of a SMOT until I see me experiment test that I mentioned before.

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 08:25:53 AM »
Sorry for the cheesy graphics. I spent too much time as is on this. Also a comment on you smot test. There is a good chance your test will show a positive result. However be carefully to include the fact that when the ball rolls over the edge it is going to drop which is technically releasing potential energy that was stored in the ball when you placed it atop the upper level. The magnet my pull the ball to the side but it wont let the ball go free unless you let it drop off the edge. If you want to think of it this way. The magnet is pulling up/sideways on the ball and gravity is pulling down on the ball with greater force. Well technically the table it pushing up on the ball as well making the table and magnet force win. I believe this is called static force? Once you move the table out from under it then gravity wins the battle and pulls the ball away and kinetic energy is then release from the ball making it roll away.

Any questions? If not good luck.

Tim

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2007, 02:13:48 AM »
why are the balls not synchronize with the wheel's spokes?

the balls are suppose to be in sync with the wheel's spokes.

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2007, 02:24:02 AM »
try again

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Re: smot leverage gravity wheel
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2007, 02:29:55 AM »
For simplicity reasons I had the balls just leave the wheel and roll on a track to there next position free from the rotation of the wheel. You could have them attached to the spokes but there affective mass would be zero. Once the ball rests on the horizontal ramp gravity is pushing straight down and the ramp is pushing straight up canceling any force thus leaving no directional force to move it to the right. It would maintain this balanced state. I could make a graphic if you would like?

This is where what I was saying about the smot having to be the source of energy because it is the only other "potential" source of energy in the design.

Tim

 

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