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libra_spirit · « **Reply #30 on:** January 02, 2008, 11:57:19 PM »

Quote from: ronotte on January 02, 2008, 08:27:03 PM

Hi Dave, EM,

in my 2magclashTPU experiment, placing a very strong NEO near the Control Coils has been one of first tests I did.

Conclusion: NO WAY TO CHANGE THE 5MHz 5 CYCLES sinusoidal train following the switched waveform trailing edge.

Just to be sure If remember well I tried also to put a tank capacitor in order to see if any way to tamper the 5MHz: NO WAY.

The 5MHz oscillation was ROCK-STABLE insensible to any effort to change it! I took it as NMR.

So I used it to take out power as the oscillations were so strong (> 150V ptp if I remember well): all is well documented and to your disposition.

I did said test following Dave suggestion as reported in his published document. Anyway I must say that inspite of any effort I've not been able to obtain any OU as Dave suggested!

Roberto

Good info Roberto thanks for relaying that experiment.
I have still been reworking the document and adding changes to my basic though progression as the interactions become clearer.

Another very compelling though has come up, that of extracting current, from a voltage source by tapping certain parts of the waves cycle.
I added near the end my thinking.

Thanks all for the responses.

On the magnet experiments I came up with very similiar results and Marks info was correct and much appreciated. However there is a link in AC to the mass rotation, but not exactly what I had formulated earlier. We shall see what transpires!

Dave L

libra_spirit · « **Reply #31 on:** January 03, 2008, 05:06:38 PM »

Otto showed that specific lengths of wire interact differently to the initial spike of the square wave.

There are other examples of wires cut to specific lengths where some kind of nuclear torsion rises strongly out of the wires.
We discovered these lengths on the scalar coils using absolutly no EM.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/EarthGrid.htm

Lyle Lathem had developed a particular coil length that seems to strongly light up with torsion and we were studying it looking for connections to the earths grid. I had a feeling it might also be something about the wire or copper itself.

If these specific lengths of copper wire tend to inhibit induction, or expand the diamagnetic field, then fast pulses may pass with less resistance. Simply due to a force in the wire controlling the nuclear tilt. Lyle had one config that randomly produced voltages, but he could never predict this effect.

44 feet 6 inches is the length he used to power all his scalar devices. 44 feet on the coils and 3 inches on each lead comming off them.

I wound several of these and they do produce a strong torsion field as well as react to crystals very strongly setting them into a vibration.
He combined them with 10 foot lengths wound at 90 degrees and said this was the config that would sometimes charge up to 30 volts.

I just placed one of these coils wrapped on a bolt between a funct gen and the scope. It is a perfect 4x wave of 5Mhz!
The square waves sync up perfectly with the sine wave ringing. The coils ringing rate is 4x of 5Mhz. Two sine pulses appears on each step of the square wave, what a surprise.

Definitly something unique about this wire length, but how does it relate to EM? And why does the 5Mhz appear in copper.

The ESR and NMR rates change with magnetic field strength. In copper with no magnetic field there is no ESR interaction.
If we can get photons to start moving one direction in a length of copper then voltage will appear.

Dave L

ronotte · « **Reply #32 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:39:59 PM »

Hi Dave,

generally speaking both Otto and myself did not find, associated with the 6" TPU, any exact coil lenght to justify a motive. Actually what I can say is that said coils (that we commonly name CC Contro Coils) must use short lenght of wire: generally best results are reached with 5 meter wire lenght. As soon as you move to higher lenght the effects are going to lessen ...but gradually. So You ask what do I mean for 'effect', well I only refere to output peak voltage obtained (on ECD mobius) and proportionally to light amount on a mainly resistive load such as a 230V/60W lamp. So I've not find any applicable rule. The ECD for itself is a wide-band device tailored for pulse operation: it's auto-resonance is well beyond the 10 MHz range. If you pulse ECD you will discover how easy it puts out power at almost any freq or freq combinations: the problem with ECD and with TPUs is that some set of 3 freq does it better.....very, very difficult to discover. Anyway the standard set F1, F2=2*F1 and F3=7*F1 seems the best up to now...but it must not be considered as definitive!

I've read many times the Latem coil issues, tried to better understand what he did in order to eventually duplicate his design but I gave it up for the lack of details. If you did it perhaps you may PM me such details.

Roberto

libra_spirit · « **Reply #33 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:03:17 PM »

5 Mhz rock solid signal identification.

Further study on these sine wave pulses that emerge on 90 degree coils setups, that seem to ring the E vector potiential, creating what resembles an NMR trace or a resonance pulse.

Ok we have dtermined they are not a result of NMR as a magnet does not effect them in frequency whatsoever.

I am however now dismayed that they also do not follow a length change of the wire and thus do not have to do the with wires resonant length! This is a direct conflict with current EM theory I believe.
If they are related to the wires length then how come if I cut the wires to half as long they are not effected? This brings up quite a puzzle. Besides the wires I am using are too short to generate a 5 Mhz resonance.

I have used different power supplies, one is an old 60 hz unit, and the other is a HF newer unit. I have not tried a 12 volt battery as of yet, but if this were a power supply recovery rate, then I would expect the frequency to vary between power supplies.

The only component I can identify them with is the c velocity of the photons traversing the coppers length. That is if I change the dielectric constant around the E field area there is a definite shift in the length of these ringing sine waves. They are only a fixed frequency in one dielectric substance.

This is all a surprise for me, as Mark had me nearly convinced that current engineering could explain this phenomina. I am not seeing this however as respect the rock solid 5 Mhz component.

Where does it come from, and why is it there in copper all the time?

There is a lightspeed connection we have realized over on the c_s_s_p group that may have bearing and yet I cannot yet explain this with a model connecting it all together.

Light has been connected to the number 144. I have no idea how this relates, however 44 1/2 is 1/4 wavelength of this frequency that copper seems to have built into it based on light velocity or dielectric constant. 44.5 x 2 = 89 x 1.618 = 144 = LIGHT

1.618 is phi

So this seemingly rock solid frequency appearing in the trailing pulse of a square wave in copper is related to lights velocity by a phi ratio factor?

Incredible.

The jury is still out on what this is we see on the scope traces and what it actually means to us.

Dave L

EMdevices · « **Reply #34 on:** January 05, 2008, 12:11:20 AM »

Dave..... Dave.....Dave (with Oddesy 2000 accent LOL)

See it's not NMR, but what is it? It has to be electromagnetic resonance, you just need to figure out what is causing it.

One clue, not everything depends on length , it's only the standing wave resonance that depends on it (tesla coils, microwave resonators, etc..) but most resonant things involving coils, expecially at low frequencies (where the wavelength is larger then your room LOL) are dictated by LC resonance, i.e. some capacitance and some inductance.

EM

AhuraMazda · « **Reply #35 on:** January 05, 2008, 01:59:55 AM »

@Dave,
To confuse the issue even more I suggest a bit of cross pollination!

Some one else already pointed out the following link and I found it so relevant that I think is worth repeating.
Only the first page is useful!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/473-radiant-energy.html
look out for posts by SHAD. Sadly he has vanished.
AM

libra_spirit · « **Reply #36 on:** January 05, 2008, 02:13:13 AM »

Quote from: EMdevices on January 05, 2008, 12:11:20 AM

Dave..... Dave.....Dave (with Oddesy 2000 accent LOL)

See it's not NMR, but what is it? It has to be electromagnetic resonance, you just need to figure out what is causing it.

One clue, not everything depends on length , it's only the standing wave resonance that depends on it (tesla coils, microwave resonators, etc..) but most resonant things involving coils, expecially at low frequencies (where the wavelength is larger then your room LOL) are dictated by LC resonance, i.e. some capacitance and some inductance.

EM

Yes I know, and this is what is a bit un nereving. If it was a normal resonance as in a BFO type circuit operating at say 5 Mhz, altering the inductance would effect the frequency almost instantly, and we see these kind of resonant circuits shift around the frequency all over the place if we even get near them. The 5 Mhz is rock solid and even cuting the wires by half has no effect.

This leaves the scope leads and the input capacitance of the scope. Once again 1/ 2pi FC means a shift of either cap or induct should have a greater effect on the output frequency and a smooth change as we clip the length off.

The main difference with this setup and an oscillator, this wave form is setting right on the tip of a shock wave type pulse to the wires, flipping from 0 volts to +12 volts and stopping dead. This happens in the wires before current flows so is suposedly photons bouncing back and forth off both ends of the wire at the resonant frequency. And yet there is no relation to wires resonant frequency.

I wonder do wires driven by vacuum tubes have this ringing voltage component also when hit with square waves?

Driving the wires with semiconductors requires an avalanch of current to flow, is there something about semiconductors to explain this ringing wave being so stuck at 5 Mhz?

Dave L

EMdevices · « **Reply #37 on:** January 06, 2008, 12:38:11 AM »

Dave, are you using the same setup with the triangular coil, and reducing the length of the triangular coil only?

Are you also altering the length (or number of turns) of the 3 sector coils?

If length doesn't matter, remove all the wire !!

You should be able to reduce the complexity to the bare elements, and find your source of resonance.

If all else fails, and you end up with a straight connection from your SIGNAL GENERATOR to your SCOPE, then it could be an internal problem in the scope leads or inside the equipment, who knows.

EM

libra_spirit · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2008, 02:31:24 AM »

Quote from: EMdevices on January 06, 2008, 12:38:11 AM

Dave, are you using the same setup with the triangular coil, and reducing the length of the triangular coil only?

Are you also altering the length (or number of turns) of the 3 sector coils?

If length doesn't matter, remove all the wire !!

You should be able to reduce the complexity to the bare elements, and find your source of resonance.

If all else fails, and you end up with a straight connection from your SIGNAL GENERATOR to your SCOPE, then it could be an internal problem in the scope leads or inside the equipment, who knows.

EM

Its not resonance, as we are taught in electronics. A strong shock to the copper generates a pressure wave against the mass, the result is a torsion shock to the wires mass I believe. I have already done this 100's of times now and any length of wire to either scope does this to some extent. The 5Mhz pulse is impossible to eliminate.

I also connected up some IRFP250's to various coils with 90 degree coils on them. The spikes start to go very high, as in off the scope over 200 volts. This lights up bulbs dimly with only one frequency, with 2 it gets very intresting and a very very small change in frequency canhave a great effect. The same frequency appears, as though this were a constant. It also relates back to Lyles 44.5 foot coils which I have been investigating as well. This has taken me down another path for the moment using iron of 44.5 inch lengths which seem to exhibit a similiar quality as the copper 44.5 foot coils. Deep into pyramids at the moment deciphering this spin off, and connection with light.

I have gained a new vision of electricity from this however, its all done with photons! LOL! All energy starts as Light. Moving electrons is a secondary operation where the current starts to flow.

Photons can propagate along three paths, their electric, magnetic, or tempic vectors, and thus we have three paths of light interacting.
The field forces are photons of light in different paths. Circular or spherical - electric, donut - magnetic, and linear or radiant.
The radiant photons are only bent by gravity and travel relatively straight, the EM forces create matter and trap light into its small circular paths, of electric and magnetic fields. As light takes the radiant path energy is transferred to another position in space or between atoms at c velocities.

Thanks,
Dave L

EMdevices · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2008, 02:45:05 AM »

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Photons can propagate along three paths, their electric, magnetic, or tempic vectors, and thus we have three paths of light interacting.
The field forces are photons of light in different paths. Circular or spherical - electric, donut - magnetic, and linear or radiant.
The radiant photons are only bent by gravity and travel relatively straight, the EM forces create matter and trap light into its small circular paths, of electric and magnetic fields. As light takes the radiant path energy is transferred to another position in space or between atoms at c velocities.

Dave, please leave theoretical physics to the qualified (not me by the way).

Now, you mention that you connect any length of wire between your scope and gen.

Do you still have the 3 coils wrapped around it?

EM

libra_spirit · « **Reply #40 on:** January 08, 2008, 10:17:41 PM »

Quote from: EMdevices on January 07, 2008, 02:45:05 AM

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Photons can propagate along three paths, their electric, magnetic, or tempic vectors, and thus we have three paths of light interacting.
The field forces are photons of light in different paths. Circular or spherical - electric, donut - magnetic, and linear or radiant.
The radiant photons are only bent by gravity and travel relatively straight, the EM forces create matter and trap light into its small circular paths, of electric and magnetic fields. As light takes the radiant path energy is transferred to another position in space or between atoms at c velocities.

Dave, please leave theoretical physics to the qualified (not me by the way).

Now, you mention that you connect any length of wire between your scope and gen.

Do you still have the 3 coils wrapped around it?

EM

EM have you done any experiment with hitting copper wire with square waves? You should try to answer these questions from direct experiment to get a feel for what is happening, as I can not prove this at distance. There are simply some correlating data that could be used to explain what we are seeing differently then the Electronics experts may be envsioning. Here is my latest model, from direct experiment.

[Update note on TPU research]

The Ringing sine waves produced during rapid rise time pulsing of a copper loop of wire can not be associated with either wire resonant length or NMR resonance.
It is my belief these near 5 Mhz waves are of a torsional nature and are a reflection of gravity waves or tempic field waves having to do with light velocity in copper.
The distance of 44.5 feet as found in Lyle Lathems coils, is 1/4 wavelength of this natural frequency showing up in copper wire that is receiving a torsion shock. Lyles coils produce a strong torsion field because a 1/4 wave length is a canceling stub and creates a scalar canceling of the gravity waves.

Identifying the torsional shock mechanism
As E field propagates along the skin of the wire, a negative voltage gradient moves down a wire along its outside area first, skin effect. This produces a strong attraction to the nuclear mass at the proton layer which has a positive charge. Protons layer is pulled outwards quickly towards the skin of the wire, and receives a shock. This shock has been known to blow wires apart at very high voltages.
As a positive E vector voltage propagates the wire at c velocity, the Proton mass is pushed inwards generating a compressing mass shock into the wire. A 5 Mhz ringing wave is observed as the voltage stabilized at the new E field level which is not effected in frequency by wire length or magnetic field present.

We know that the major energy of the E field is moving along its surface and even outside the wire as photons in the electric field, as a dielectric insulator will effects it's propagation velocity.

For theoretical physics you can reference http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/nspin.html#c2
I am not writing the physics stuff myself as to photons and propagation of E vector potiential along a wires skin at c velocity.

Thanks,
Dave L

EMdevices · « **Reply #41 on:** January 08, 2008, 10:56:43 PM »

Ok Dave I'm not going to ask anymore questions seeing you're not answering them.
Just so you know, I don't subscribe to your theories, but if they help you explain your observations then good for you.

EM

libra_spirit · « **Reply #42 on:** January 09, 2008, 02:29:55 AM »

Quote from: EMdevices on January 08, 2008, 10:56:43 PM

Ok Dave I'm not going to ask anymore questions seeing you're not answering them.
Just so you know, I don't subscribe to your theories, but if they help you explain your observations then good for you.

EM

EM,

Good approach, never believe anything you have not witnessed for yourself.

Set up a copper wire of any length say 1 meter , wrap a 90 degree coil on it of say 5 meters, pulse it with square waves, see if you find the 5Mhz sine wave pulse, and then based on your EM experience, please show us what it is and how to alter its frequency. Say a shift down to 1 Mhz, how would that be done using EM theory and formulas?

Dave L

EMdevices · « **Reply #43 on:** January 09, 2008, 05:21:23 AM »

Dave, I've been doing this since last year and I've seen enough ringing after the sharp transitions of a square wave to know what's causing it and I'm fully aware of the theory behind it.

Now you've finally answered my question and I can see you are still using the 90 degree coils, so there is no mystery for me anymore. I thought you had some other experiment going and no matter what you did you still had some mysterious 5 Mhz signal. Now I see you're still messing with your basic 3 coil setup you posted earlier.

As far as the answers you want, it's for you to find out why you're getting the ringing since you might learn something in the process. I'll give you one hint, change your 90 degree coils, and stop messing with the length of the main wire, it's length has nothing to do with it. You might learn something about the self resonant modes of coils and maybe something about 90 degree coupling while you're at it.

EM

libra_spirit · « **Reply #44 on:** January 12, 2008, 10:20:38 AM »

Quote from: EMdevices on January 09, 2008, 05:21:23 AM

Dave, I've been doing this since last year and I've seen enough ringing after the sharp transitions of a square wave to know what's causing it and I'm fully aware of the theory behind it.

Now you've finally answered my question and I can see you are still using the 90 degree coils, so there is no mystery for me anymore. I thought you had some other experiment going and no matter what you did you still had some mysterious 5 Mhz signal. Now I see you're still messing with your basic 3 coil setup you posted earlier.

As far as the answers you want, it's for you to find out why you're getting the ringing since you might learn something in the process. I'll give you one hint, change your 90 degree coils, and stop messing with the length of the main wire, it's length has nothing to do with it. You might learn something about the self resonant modes of coils and maybe something about 90 degree coupling while you're at it.

EM

Thanks for the tip EM.
I got sidetracked on an offshoot of this anyway.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/LightTech.htm

Its hard to read all the posts on this site as there are now thousands it would seem. Is there a particular thread I should focus on to catch up with you all?

Thanks,
Dave L

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