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Title: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on December 23, 2007, 08:56:33 PM
Hi guys,

here there is a theory of TPU, Testatika, MEG, etc. EM overunity based on mainstream physics:

http://utenti.lycos.it/fischerconsulting/testatpu.html

Comments are welcome.

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: Rosphere on December 23, 2007, 11:34:22 PM
Sorry I missed this the first time it was posted as: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3774.msg64590.html#msg64590
 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3774.msg64590.html#msg64590)
Hi guys,

here there is a theory of TPU, Testatika, MEG, etc. EM overunity based on mainstream physics:

http://utenti.lycos.it/fischerconsulting/testatpu.html

Comments are welcome.

F_dyne

Are these your documents; can we direct questions to you?
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on December 23, 2007, 11:39:39 PM
Yes, you can direct questions to me.
In the meanwhile, sorry but I discovered that you must sum to the magnetic flux created by the coil the magnetic flux of the magnet.
Obvious! But I forgot to.
I'm going to correct that.

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on December 23, 2007, 11:53:03 PM
Mh... I will reason in another way to make the simplest calculations.
Let's consider that most flux is generated only by the main magnet, for the moment.
An oscillating flux component is superimposed, so we think that it is small compared to the magnet flux.

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: Rosphere on December 24, 2007, 12:57:27 AM
Yes, you can direct questions to me.

Thank you.

My first question relates to your titling of this topic and your documents.  Are you saying that at the heart of these devices, "Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc.," lies a coil-wrapped-magnet?

Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on December 24, 2007, 01:41:32 AM

Thank you.

My first question relates to your titling of this topic and your documents.  Are you saying that at the heart of these devices, "Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc.," lies a coil-wrapped-magnet?



Not necessarily.
I am reasoning with the TPU at the moment, because I could say something about Testatika, but only TPU has been patented.
The principle works with a magnetic to electric transposition anyway (please keep in mind that I have been experimenting with electrostatic version only, up to now) for Testatika.
To obtain the magnetic version effect you do not need necessarily a coil wrapped magnet, I used coil wrapped magnet to choose a possible physical layout.
The key is that when you have a 'transformer' action near the coil into the magnetic field with induced current due to free electrons and ions, the field is ever in the same direction because you have the permanent magnet so in one half of the cycle you diminish the reacting electron-ion density while in the other half you have higher reagents density.
When you have this higher deionization effect near the coil you have an effect similar to the normal diamagnetism due to magnetic field applied to a rotating electron but increased; the induced field will be opposite to the magnet field and so at the same time it will vary in the same direction of the varying superimposed coil field, and more field variation will create more voltage, and after 90 degrees more current, on the coil.
You can verify this with precision evaluating the various field, voltage and current verses and phases (not all shown, but all can be determined from the physical system description).
Now my problem is making a good calculation of the electron-ion pairs involved by the magnetic field.
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on December 24, 2007, 02:28:16 AM
It looks like these last 'efficiency' formula I found can give good hints.
The easiest way to obtain good efficiency is to raise the voltage and to lower the current, it seems.

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on May 16, 2009, 09:02:02 PM
New T.E.I. hypothesys

Hi to all.

I found a new theory to explain the single disk machine.
Here:
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fischerconsulting/singledisk100wtestatikare5.jpg
(I bet you will have to copy and paste the link to make it work)

Explanation:
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fischerconsulting/TEI.txt

This time it would be TRUE free energy.
I still doubt that the first double disk small machine works this way.

F_dyne
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fischerconsulting/edgeresearch.htm
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: Overmind on July 27, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
Since thermo-electric cooling is actually working, doesn't that directly counter the current thermodynamics (since the heat actually transfers from the colder metal to the hotter one) ?
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on July 27, 2009, 08:18:21 PM
Since thermo-electric cooling is actually working, doesn't that directly counter the current thermodynamics (since the heat actually transfers from the colder metal to the hotter one) ?

Well, this is one of the things I am addressing.
Transferring heat from colder metal to hotter one should be permitted if global enthropy is increased.
In fact, this actually normally happens in fridges and air conditioners.
One of the things I'm asking myself is: is it possible to transform spontaneously heat energy into electrical energy inside an ISOLATED system?
Apparently, this could decrease enthropy. But I don't know if this can be demonstrated and personally I think that enthropy will not decrease.
I couldn't find (or understand) a satisfying general mathematical explanation of enthropy itself, up to now, to completely explain this.
It seems that enthropy is a useful thermodynamic variable first of all, to be applied in thermal to mechanical conversions.
Can we think that if we convert air enthalphy into metal electron enthalpy the second law of themodynamics would be violated?
I don't think so, in general.
Moreover, electron is both particle and wave so: are we converting exactly from heat to mechanical energy only ?
How will the wave part enter into the enthropic balance ?

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: Overmind on July 27, 2009, 08:39:06 PM
One of the things I'm asking myself is: is it possible to transform heat energy into electrical energy inside an ISOLATED system?
I don't see why that wouldn't be possible. It does not matter that the system is isolated since we could do something that internally acts in that system and does what we want.  What is information, energy, temperature or smell, eventually ?
Well, to state the essential: temperature occurs independent of the state in which the matter is. Temperature even occurs in solids, where a purely kinetic interpretation fails because each elementary particle is a carrier of a temperature. Expansion with increasing temperature actually happens because of the need for larger room for larger amplitude of oscillation. Hence for solids the thermal oscillation of size is primarily passed on by the electrons in the atomic hull (while for gases the entire atoms do this).

The second law of thermodynamics fails its claim to be absolute and at best reads: "with today's tech level we are not capable, to design a cyclic working machine that does nothing else then to withdraw heat from a heat container and to convert it into mechanical work".


Moreover, electron is both particle and wave so: are we converting exactly from heat to mechanical energy only ?
How will the wave part enter into the enthropic balance ?
I do not concur with that view. Stating that the electron is both particle and wave is just like saying that 'that person is maybe good or evil'. The fact that the electron can have various ranges and that waves can actually roll-up to form electrons do not make the electron a dual-state particle. The 'wave part' is only valid when we talk about the creation of al electron (rolling-up waves), or it's destruction (i.e. over 511KV applied on the electron).
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on July 27, 2009, 09:00:18 PM
I don't see why that wouldn't be possible. It does not matter that the system is isolated since we could do something that internally acts in that system and does what we want.  What is information, energy, temperature or smell, eventually ?

We can consider all things as a form of energy.
After you quoted my sentence, I added the word "spontaneously".
The energy balance is not enough to produce energy, the process must be spontaneous.

I do not concur with that view. Stating that the electron is both particle and wave is just like saying that 'that person is maybe good or evil'. The fact that the electron can have various ranges and that waves can actually roll-up to form electrons do not make the electron a dual-state particle. The 'wave part' is only valid when we talk about the creation of al electron (rolling-up waves), or it's destruction (i.e. over 511KV applied on the electron).

It is a known fact that the electron is a particle and a wave at the same time, not only when it is created.
Unfortunately 'that person is maybe good or evil'  :(

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: Overmind on July 27, 2009, 09:41:03 PM
The electron only appears as wave because it envelops the core of the atom. That's why there's a limitation for the number of electrons per atom raw (Bohr model gets it's validation). Imagine a tennis ball. That's the first two electrons enveloping an atom core.

Niels Bohr in order to save his model of the atom was forced to annul the laws of physics with a postulate founded in arbitrariness.
Actually this state only exists for a very short time and then something unbelievable happens: the electron can't be distinguished as an individual particle anymore. "It is smeared over the electron orbit" do certain people say; "it possesses a dual nature" says Heisenberg. Besides the corpuscular nature the electron should in case of its "second nature" form a matter wave, "the position of the electron is to be looked at as a resonance which is the maximum of a probability density", do explain us de Broglie and Schrodinger.
These explanations can hardly convince. If the electron loses its particle nature in its second nature, then it also will lose its typical properties, like for instance its mass and its charge. but this is not the case.
The true explanation is that the electron opens its vortex center and takes the tiny protons and neutrons as atomic nucleus up into itself. The 'Bohr electron orbit' with that is not a path anymore, but is occupied by the whole particle as spherical shield/shell. This is confirmed by the not understood measurements exactly like the photos of individual atoms with the scanning electron microscope.
From here, if there are more electrons, we get the incompatible swirl direction. On a shell like this, not too many electrons have space. Because of the rotation of their own, the electron spin, they form a magnetic dipole moment, which leads to a magnetic attraction of two electrons if they put their spin axis antiparallelly.
As a frictionless rotating pair they form two half-shells of a sphere and with that occupy the innermost shell in the hull of an atom. If the positive charge of the nucleus is still not balanced with that, then other electrons is left only the possibility to form another shell. This is the true model of the atom (I described it as briefly as possible).
This model-state also can be mathematically confirmed if you derive the Klein-Gordon equation from the extended field ecuation (using a Schrodinger approach).

Anyway, getting back to the main issue, Temparature is just an oscilation of the elementary vortices.

Following the atomic view, in the case of heat it concerns kinetic energy of the molecules, which carry out more or less violent oscillations. In the case of gaseous materials with this concept actually successful calculations are possible, like for instance the speed distribution of gases won by Maxwell from theoretical considerations concerning probability.
But the attempt to apply the formulas of the kinetic theory of gases to solids and liquids only succeeds, if additional supplements and improvements are introduced. Since at all events it concerns temperature, thus the same physical quantity, of course also an uniform interpretation should be demanded, which in addition should stand in full accord to a design of a Total Theory.
Against the background of a new theory we should consider (since relativity is relative, therefore nullified for an objective standpoint), what happens, if for instance the local field strength is increased by a flying past particle. The matter located at this point is contracted for a short time. By coming closer to each other, the individual elementary vortices mutually reinforce their field and are further compressed. Sometime this process comes to a standstill, is reversed and swings back. At the same time every single particle, which in this way carries out an oscillation of size, has an effect on its neighbours with its field, to also stimulate these to the same oscillation, but delayed by some time. This phenomenon spreads in all directions. The propagation
only will become stationary, if all neighbouring elementary vortices pulsate with the same amplitude.

Also this thermodynamic state variable therefore is a result of the variable speed of light (VSL - this is another topic, but I can detail anything if necessary). At the absolute zero temperature no oscillations take place anymore, whereas the upper limit is infinite. Since the cause for temperature represents an oscillation of the local electromagnetic field strength around the cosmic field strength (the general cosmic field being what gives the current speed of light), the following phenomena must be considered as excitation and cause, as dictated by a new fundamental field equation: Electromagnetic waves are able to stimulate matter particles to synchronous oscillations of contraction by their alternating field. In doing so energy in form of heat is transferred to the particles, with the result that their temperature is increased.
So this is how we got temperature.
The wave is absorbed completely, if the thermal oscillation corresponds with the frequency of the wave (so we have the thermal radiation).
While the temperature describes only the amplitude of the oscillation of size, the thermal radiation is determined by both frequency and amplitude.
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on July 28, 2009, 12:19:01 AM
I think that many final theories can be made, all correct.
They should be all mutually correlable of course.
All of them must be able to calculate the exact value of known measurable physical constants.
Aside from this, I don't know how to calculate exact values of enthropy for Testatika-like systems yet.

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: Overmind on July 28, 2009, 07:14:21 AM
I think that many final theories can be made, all correct.
Yes, but the problem is that they counter each other and they're even exclusive. In a lot of situations, it all depends on some interpretation of experimental data. That interpretation can be done so it will comply with many different theories.
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on July 28, 2009, 08:35:34 PM
Yes, but the problem is that they counter each other and they're even exclusive. In a lot of situations, it all depends on some interpretation of experimental data. That interpretation can be done so it will comply with many different theories.

Take for example Heisenberg Matrices and Schrodinger equation...
They mean the same thing but the mathematics is different.

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on November 08, 2009, 07:26:27 AM
f_dyne said:
Quote
here there is a theory of TPU, Testatika, MEG, etc. EM overunity based on mainstream physics:
http://utenti.lycos.it/fischerconsulting/testatpu.html
@all
I stumbled onto this patent that (sort of) combines a Testatika---better yet---a Wimshurst machine, with a radio receiver:

#1,471,165
http://www.google.com/patents?id=SZleAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=loop+aerial&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false

I know 'F' in the patent drawing rotates with "condensers" on the ends of the spokes, but whether of not the prototype---if there was one---worked, is unknown by now.

I give you the reference number and Google address to look at even on the patent 'web sites if you like.  You might find it interesting or useful.

--Lee
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: sparks on November 08, 2009, 02:10:55 PM
    The ability of different forms of matter to absorb electromagnetic waves and incorporate them into their intrinsic at rest potential energy content is Universally demonstrated.  On the surface of the Earth the most common demonstration of this is the absorption of infrared wavelengths by water molecules.  Lots of infrared around lots of water molecules lots of heat.  How do we convert the photon energy gained by a watermolecule into electrical potential?
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: f_dyne on February 17, 2010, 11:16:42 PM
@the_big_m_in_ok :

thank you I'm going to read the patent.

@sparks :

I explained a possible method here :
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fischerconsulting/TEI.txt
in this site :
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fischerconsulting/edgeresearch.htm
the idea is that ions can be "seen" from the external plasma surface as RF photons, and they are slowed down from counter EMF using an external antenna load.
I'm building test prototypes, I'll need more time.

F_dyne
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: mscoffman on February 18, 2010, 06:25:29 PM
f_dyne said:@all
I stumbled onto this patent that (sort of) combines a Testatika---better yet---a Wimshurst machine, with a radio receiver:

#1,471,165
http://www.google.com/patents?id=SZleAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=loop+aerial&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false

I know 'F' in the patent drawing rotates with "condensers" on the ends of the spokes, but whether of not the prototype---if there was one---worked, is unknown by now.

I give you the reference number and Google address to look at even on the patent 'web sites if you like.  You might find it interesting or useful.

--Lee

@the_big_m_in_ok

You are looking at the diagram but not reading the text of this patent
correctly. The static shield has nothing to do with static electricity,
but is used to shield voltage coupling. So this has nothing to do
with wimshurst generators. The Testatika uses an RF *transmitter*
type mechanism to step down static voltage power, called an RF
oscillator with air core transformers rather then iron core.

In the patent the capacitors are operated manually as a noise reduction mechanism
to detune *one* of two identical antennas. I don't know the exact radio
effect he is referring to...Maybe the broadband characteristic of natural radio
noise versus the narrowband effect of manmade radio signals. Then
he puts them into an subtraction mechanism before receiving them.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Testatika, TPU, MEG, etc. amplification principle theory
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on February 18, 2010, 07:21:31 PM
@the_big_m_in_ok

You are looking at the diagram but not reading the text of this patent
correctly. The static shield has nothing too do with wimshurst generators,
but is used to shield voltage coupling. So this has nothing to do
with wimshurst generators. ... The capacitors are operated manually as a noise reduction mechanism to detune *one* two identical antennas.
@mscoffman
I didn't have a lot of time to look at the patent thoroughly.  However, I do see that drawing numbers 22, 23, 24 are "condensers" that interact with each other, and, like you, I didn't understand the radio principle the inventor was referring to.

I'll download the patent later and study it closer.

--Lee